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Firepower Price?


By Floyd

5 years ago



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#1 5 years ago

I am looking at a "nice" Firepower but am unsure of the market right now. I've looked at a few For Sale threads and it looks like FP is going for $750 -to- $1,100. This game is right between those two figures. Does this seem about right?

Below is the shortcut to the pictures. I asked the seller to remove the glass so I could see the playing field more clearly. Hard to really tell the condition from the pictures. However, I'm looking forward to adding FP to my collection either now or in the future. In addition is their anything special to lookout for when buying a FP?

Thanks,
Jason

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#2 5 years ago

Just sold mine on Ebay last week for $1000. It was in excellent cosmetic condition with 2 very minor marks on PF. Cab was Above average but far from perfect.

#3 5 years ago

One of the best games you can get in good shape for $1000.

#4 5 years ago

Not sure if this one is in excellent condition, but it looks in good condition. I think the seller is definitely in the ballpark for the condition. I plan to go check it out this weekend and if everything works out it'll be in the back of my truck!!

Thanks for the input!

#5 5 years ago

Fully working and complete = $500 - $1,000 depending on condition.

Good luck!

#6 5 years ago

You need better pictures of the playfield, boards and backglass to know for sure. These games were played A LOT and many of them are rough.

Look for ball tracks through the black paint around the arch at the top pf the PF

Raised, lowered, loose inserts.

Wear to the wood around the inserts and slingshots.

Cupped inserts (so much that the trajectory of the ball is impacted or the ball can get stuck in the F I R E inserts at the top of the PF).

Faded color and cloudy inserts.

Battery damage (corrosion) on the CPU board.

Burned resistors on the driver board.

Wimpy flipper power.

Look at the backglass with the machine on and look for flakey and missing paint. Really easy to see this from the back of the backglass (original reproductions NOT available so don't expect to find this until CPR makes one)

Take the PF glass off and try all the switches to make sure they register, put balls in the locks to make sure the multiball works.

Common that the playfield plastics are warped but they all should be there along with pop bumper caps with Firepower written on them (used plastics come up for sale frequently so don't freak out about this)

If the machine works and has several of the defects above, you are at $500. If it doesn't work, less.

If the playfield is relatively level and not worn too badly (hard to find one without wear) - 750 - 1000

#7 5 years ago
Quoted from Schwaggs:

You need better pictures of the playfield, boards and backglass to know for sure. These games were played A LOT and many of them are rough.
Look for ball tracks through the black paint around the arch at the top pf the PF
Raised, lowered, loose inserts.
Wear to the wood around the inserts and slingshots.
Cupped inserts (so much that the trajectory of the ball is impacted or the ball can get stuck in the F I R E inserts at the top of the PF).
Faded color and cloudy inserts.
Battery damage (corrosion) on the CPU board.
Burned resistors on the driver board.
Wimpy flipper power.
Look at the backglass with the machine on and look for flakey and missing paint. Really easy to see this from the back of the backglass (original reproductions NOT available so don't expect to find this until CPR makes one)
Take the PF glass off and try all the switches to make sure they register, put balls in the locks to make sure the multiball works.
Common that the playfield plastics are warped but they all should be there along with pop bumper caps with Firepower written on them (used plastics come up for sale frequently so don't freak out about this)
If the machine works and has several of the defects above, you are at $500. If it doesn't work, less.
If the playfield is relatively level and not worn too badly (hard to find one without wear) - 750 - 1000

Thanks for the great info! I'm going to check it out this weekend!!

#8 5 years ago

In 2010 I sold one for $500, fully working with a nice playfield but a completely shot backglass. Last year I sold one that was working but had some of the issues Schwaggs mentioned but was in overall decent condition for $600.

FP is a great game and if you're not a skilled player you can really hone your skills on it. You can't just bang the ball around and expect to do well. You have to aim and shoot.

For a really nice, fully working FP with no issues I would think $1000-$1200.

#9 5 years ago

how much for a fully restored one ie: cab rebuilt (new ends and base), repainted, re braided, polished and replated parts, new speakers, new wiring, boards bullet proofed, all new connectors, new plastics, all inserts levelled and repaired, new repro back glass, new legs and many other new parts

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#10 5 years ago

1800-2200

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#11 5 years ago

Have a Firepower i may be selling soon. Not sure on price yet. Fully restored minus cabinet re-spray (i like it original)
Boards have been fully upgraded and bulletproofed. Playfield is in good condition and is tuned perfectly for playing. Fast, very fast, New bats, bushings, rubbers. Pop bumpers are super sensitive and lightning fast. Everything is adjusted perfectly. A must see in action, maybe i will post a video And its clean, spotless inside and out. I think i have some pics.

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#15 5 years ago

I used the dual, warm white frosted dome led's from Cointaker on the whole machine, really makes it look fantastic and it has no strobe effect. I am considering doing the drop-down target conversion or even installing the 3rd flipper as per the prototype. Not sure yet...

#16 5 years ago

Looks nice, I think "Boards have been fully upgraded and bulletproofed" should at least include new power supply caps though.

#17 5 years ago

Your right. I meant mpu and driver. I'll throw in a new set Its still a work in progress maybe 90% there. I want to do the 7 digit displays too but i'm not sure if they are available.

#18 5 years ago

How much are you going to ask? Ed

#19 5 years ago

That is one nice looking Firepower!!

#20 5 years ago

Cept for the BG, I agree.

<fully working>500--------2000<NEW PF+BG> sounds about right to me.

#21 5 years ago

I bought a non working Firepower at last years Allentown Show for $550. Boards were untouched with no acid damage but I did replace several caps, 5101 RAM, couple PIA's and added the bridge protection mod and a remote battery holder. Lamp resistors (the red ones) were actually still red which is rare since they usually turn black from heat. Backglass was average with some flaking but has been since sealed to prevent further. Playfield was in good shape considering how much these got played but I did have to do some touch up in front of the slings. Two boken plastics but had both pieces so I could glue them back together. Game did not come with legs so I had to buy a set. Someone had cut the speaker hole out larger to accommodate a bigger speaker so I had a new speaker mount cut to fit a Pinball Pro. Cointaker LED's installed along with some post mounted flashers. New flipper bats, sleeves and some other random things. I have photos on my profile page. All in all, I have about a thousand invested in it which, I don't think, I could sell it for. So...I'll be keeping it for a while which is fine because I do really enjoy Firepower. However, the northeastern US can be pricey for pins. Pennsylvania sure is.

#22 5 years ago
Quoted from Fast-Ed:

How much are you going to ask? Ed

I have no idea, picked it up non-working for $500 which was a lot but i saw the potential. My first priority was to get it playing as crisp and tight as i could. BG does suck but i am always looking for another, maybe the Allentown show will have one So far i too am into her for around $1000. I'm trying Alphagrafics to make new target and spinner decals out of vinyl, not sure if it will be good . Going there today to see. Honestly i have no idea how much to ask for. Maybe i will bring it up there and sell it. I really enjoy playing it though, fun pin!

Quoted from dtown:

Cointaker LED's installed along with some post mounted flashers

What are these?

#23 5 years ago

Good video on post mounted flashers. I wired some red ones to the pops and slings to give the game a bit more of a light show. Reds look good on Firepower but I wish I would have just bought clear ones since they'd be brighter and the posts are already red.

#24 5 years ago

Oh ok, yea i have seen these on line before but never in person. What do you have them wired to? G.I. or the flasher circuit?

#25 5 years ago
Quoted from 3rdaxis:

Oh ok, yea i have seen these on line before but never in person. What do you have them wired to? G.I. or the flasher circuit?

They're wired to the solenoids so they flash each time one is activated. I did wire some to the flashers at first but they don't go off enough in Firepower so I moved them to the bumper coils.

#26 5 years ago

Wow that must look amazing. So how exactly did you wire it, One lead to each side of the coil itself? Dammit, now i have to get a set lol Have any video of it in action?

#27 5 years ago

Here's a link to the thread I started after installing them. I actually forgot that I had did one.

http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cointaker-post-flashers-installed-on-firepower

I don't have any video of mine but BlackRose's shows what they can do pretty well. They add a bit of a light show in any place where there isn't any. Like I said before, though, I kinda wish I went with the clear just for increaed brightness.

#28 5 years ago

Some would say the value of something depends on what someone is willing to pay for it. I mean its not like they are making these things anymore so if someone wants it bad enough and availability is slim he or she will pay any price. Supply and demand. Also, I don't think price would be that relative outside of this particular community or any like it. How much do you think it would sell for in Abu Dhabi in great condition, to put in one of their lavish Hotels, $15000-$18,000? And also what do you think you could get for it in say...Irac, 2 dollars? I also would think price is directly reflected from the buyer. If you are selling to a Pinsider who understands the machine and will most likely do his or her own maintenance then sure, i would sell competitively. But on the other hand, if i am selling a pin to someone who has never owned one and has no electro-mechanical abilities that will be calling me every time a light bulb burns out then yes, i would ask for more money. Quite a bit more.

#29 5 years ago

I see a lot of people on here that put 110 percent of themselves into these machines and really cherish them. They are a piece of American history for one and there is only a certain number of them left. I would compare it to a classic sports car or a 70's muscle car, i mean they sometimes sell for 20 times their original value no matter what condition. And these too are objects that people covet and put their hearts into and love. For example, I used to own a BSD and wished now i never sold it. I miss it so. If i had the money i would certainly pay $3500 or more to own it again. Mostly because i put so much of myself into this pinball machine. I gave little notice to the value of its combined parts. It was the object itself, never the cost...IMO

#30 5 years ago

Here is a quick video i made of her.

#32 5 years ago

Nice video 3rdaxis.

#33 5 years ago

Thanks.

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#34 5 years ago

Hi everyone, this is my first post, and I wanted to jump right in to this thread as it seemed appropriate. For a while now I have owned only an arcade machine, but I have always wanted to add a pinball as they are incredibly fun to play. That said, I have been emulating quite a few machines on the "The Pinball Arcade" app in the Mac App Store. Firepower is for sure the one that I have become entranced with!

I, too, am looking for a good, working machine that I can improve with time. There is one that is at a nearby pinball reseller near me, for quite a bit more than is commonly said here, but also is claimed to be "refurbished." I've got to go down to the store and find out just what "refurbished" covers. The machine is available in-store, and is also listed as an eBay sale as well:

ebay.com link

Overall, the play field looks pretty good, and they do offer a 30-day warranty, which should cover the fact that it is working now.

Any suggestions from anyone? Anyone have previous dealings with this shop? Any pointers overall for me when looking for a machine?

#35 5 years ago

La_Porta - never dealt with that company but I will tell you that $3000 for a Firepower is a TON! That thing should be factory new for that price. Workable Firepowers with some minor signs of wear should be available for closer to $1000. DO NOT be in a hurry to buy one as there were lots of them made and more will appear for sale over time. Post a wanted to buy thread with your general area to see if there are any Pinsiders with one in your area.

That being said, the original playfield on that one looks great in the pictures. Here is what to look for on any machine. Others can add to the list.

1) a ball track worn in the black "stary" area around the top (the path the ball takes when launched into play).
2) raised or lowered inserts on the playfield, the arrows are notorious for lifting.
3) make sure the inserts are clear, not foggy from wearing, yellowing laquer from the factory. Also make sure the color is vivid and not faded.
4) look for warped and bent, broken plastics.
5) check all the round inserts for cupping (the heat from years of warm light bulbs causes them to sag in the middle).
6) check the boards in the backbox - look for evidence of battery acid damage below the batteries (the batteries should really be re-located to a remote battery holder). Make sure the resistors on the driver board and the board itself are not burned.
7) start a 4 player game and make sure all the displays work (don't assume they work just because they all display 0)
8) inspect the cabinet inside, outside, underneath, and at the back for damage and evidence of water damage.
9) flippers should be responsive and powerful enough to get the ball to the top of the playfield
10) watch a Youtube video on the gameplay to hear the sounds. Sounds should be clear and voice heard clearly. No buzzing or distortion.

#36 5 years ago

If you took your time for 3 grand you could buy 4 of them.

#37 5 years ago

Sold mine, which was very nice, two years ago or so for $800. I thought it was a fair price and couldn't wait to move it out. Took up space and was slooooow and booooring.

#38 5 years ago

I just sold one recently that was in pretty nice shape and had brand new Pin LED displays. Very little playfield wear and was recently shopped. I sold it for $1000. There's no way I'd pay $3000 for a FirePower. Nice game but having a warranty isn't worth $2k.

Be patient and keep looking around, you'll definitely find one at a good price near you before too long.

Dave

#39 5 years ago
Quoted from La_Porta:

That said, I have been emulating quite a few machines on the "The Pinball Arcade" app in the Mac App Store. Firepower is for sure the one that I have become entranced with!

Already done

#40 5 years ago
Quoted from Blackbeard:

Sold mine, which was very nice, two years ago or so for $800. I thought it was a fair price and couldn't wait to move it out. Took up space and was slooooow and booooring.

Really? Mine is one of the fastest games I have ever played. They do have to be in tip top mechanical shape to be fast and fun though. It is a horrible game otherwise. And upgrade the speakers!! What a difference that will make.

#41 5 years ago

Thanks, everyone, for all of the advice. It's great to have a real perspective on how much one should cost. Other than classifieds here, craigslist, eBay...are there any other avenues that are usually good to find machines for sale?

#42 5 years ago
Quoted from Blackbeard:

Took up space and was slooooow and booooring.

Quoted from Pinball4life:

Really? Mine is one of the fastest games I have ever played.

My Firepower is very fast as well. Sounds like people that call TZ slow and boring - try mine, it will power drain your ass before you can get those words out.

Any game is slow and boring if not rebuilt right, shopped, and pitched right. My EM plays a lot faster than many people's unshopped (or poorly shopped) DMDs I have played, no word of a lie.

#43 5 years ago

I second that, my Firepower is one of the fastest i've owned haha.

#44 5 years ago

Post flashers on my firepower.


Also placed 4 in the upper playfield area., 2 right behind the stand up targets.

#45 5 years ago

Hey, those are pretty cool! Makes things a bit more exciting.

#46 5 years ago

Awesome! i just put those on my BSD. Love them

#47 5 years ago
Quoted from J_Cutler:

Post flashers on my firepower.
» YouTube video
Also placed 4 in the upper playfield area., 2 right behind the stand up targets.

what color leds did you use in the slings? looks good, going to ad a bunch of the post flashers to mine.

#48 5 years ago
Quoted from crlush:

what color leds did you use in the slings? looks good, going to ad a bunch of the post flashers to mine.

For the red post's to look good. You need to use the Bright White flashers. Good luck. I love the look it gives.

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#49 5 years ago
Quoted from J_Cutler:

For the red post's to look good. You need to use the Bright White flashers. Good luck. I love the look it gives.

Agreed. I used red flashers and while they do look good, I wish I had gone with white. Much brighter.

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#50 5 years ago

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