(Topic ID: 271574)

Fireball Gets Dirty Quick - Why?

By Skidave

1 year ago


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#1 1 year ago

I own 4 Bally EMs. My Fireball gets dirty faster than all of the EMs. Anyone have opinions as to why? This is my only multi-ball game. Would that have something to do with it?

#2 1 year ago

maybe the inside of the metal tunnel at the end of the skillshot is full of dirt?

#3 1 year ago

Everything was stripped and cleaned 864 games ago. I have cleaned it about every 300 games. At 300, the rubbers are filthy with coil dust. The microfiber looks dirty too when I wax.

#4 1 year ago

Maybe the spinning disk is leaving residue behind?

#5 1 year ago

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#6 1 year ago

My vote is for the rubber spinning disk.

#7 1 year ago

Spinning disk gets black like the rubbers. It is not shedding.

#8 1 year ago

Do you clean the disc too?

Clean all the parts of the trough and trough eject.

#9 1 year ago

I clean the entire game. Rails, disc, rubbers playfield rollover buttons, etc. all get a wipe down (carefully) with Naphtha. Then I wax the playfield. Same way I treat all my games.

#10 1 year ago
Quoted from Skidave:

I clean the entire game. Rails, disc, rubbers playfield rollover buttons, etc. all get a wipe down (carefully) with Naphtha. Then I wax the playfield. Same way I treat all my games.

Not sure where the dirt is collecting and letting the ball spread it around them. Weird one for sure.

#11 1 year ago

Link says I'm not allowed in.

#12 1 year ago
Quoted from chuckwurt:

Not sure where the dirt is collecting and letting the ball spread it around them. Weird one for sure.

Is it from being a multi-ball game? I use balls from PB Resource. Should I try balls from another supplier?

#13 1 year ago
Quoted from Skidave:

Is it from being a multi-ball game? I use balls from PB Resource. Should I try balls from another supplier?

Not sure how that would help but sure try some different balls. Multiball games will dirty up easier sure, but the dirt has to be coming from somewhere.

#14 1 year ago

I would clean under the playfield and in the cabinet. Maybe the spinning disc is acting like a fan and causing fine dirt to get sucked up into the playfield.

#15 1 year ago

When you last cleaned it, did you replace or clean all of the coil sleeves and clean up the plungers, stops and assemblies?

#16 1 year ago
Quoted from Skidave:

Link says I'm not allowed in.

I got the same message.

#17 1 year ago
Quoted from Skidave:

Spinning disk gets black like the rubbers.

Difference being that you probably replace the rubbers with fresh ones when you clean the machine. The disk has been there since the birth of the game, unless it has been changed with a NOS one later in life. Even then, the material will be from 1972, so a lot more brittle than when new and fresh.

Quoted from Skidave:

It is not shedding.

Shedding might not be the word, but the disk is definitely subjective to wear. We're talking tiny specks here. Specks that are too small to see when playing, but when accumulated are visible and capable of making a machine dirty as hell.

I'm not saying this is definitely the cause, but I wouldn't dismiss it this easily.

#18 1 year ago

Coil sleeves are new and everything was stripped and cleaned except pop bumper bodies and metal rings. They are original. The spinning disk rubber is in great shape and collects the same dirt as everything else. Since it is rubber, it is keeping the dirt just like the rubber rings. A wipe of Naphtha and it is clean. I just use a clean spot on the microfiber cloth to lightly wax the spinning disk and the wipe it clean.

#19 1 year ago

Vacuum out the entire inside of the cabinet. Have you cleaned the whole spinning disk mech?

#20 1 year ago

What kind of wax are you using?

#21 1 year ago

Cabinet was vacuumed. I had the whole relay board out. I didn't breakdown the whole spinning disc and lube and reassemble. I did clean everything on the exterior of the disc assembly.

For wax, I use P21S. I couldn't easily find Blitz. I have been using P21S for years and I like it.

I just find it interesting it appears to be dirtier quicker than my other machines. I don't think anything is wrong.

#22 1 year ago

Must be the game's personality then. When I was younger, I tended to get dirty quicker than my friends as well.

Matter of fact, I still do. I stopped asking why and just enjoy it.

#23 1 year ago

Are you using P21S Blue can or P21S Silver can? Blue can is a mix of Carnauba and Beeswax, the silver can is pure Carnauba wax. If your using the blue can, maybe this is your problem. Here is all of the post regarding P21S wax on Vids waxing machines thread. You need to go down far to see more detailed responses.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cleaning-and-waxing-pinball-machines-vids-guide?tq=P21s&tu=

#24 1 year ago

Coil stops and plungers create the black dust.

#25 1 year ago

Might be time to teach those kids how to shop out your games. If their old enough to play, their old enough to clean. My 1st job at 14 was cleaning pins at a swim club along with other duties. In 1974 that paid $1.50 an hour, but at least I got play pinball for free. Plus it will free time for my board work I need done!

#26 1 year ago

Too funny, Tom! It's the middle child racking up games on all the machines. I showed him how to clean and wax. I might take up your suggestion and get him started.

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