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Fireball - score motor cycles continuosly, no response from scoring counters

By jlbintn

3 years ago

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#1 3 years ago

I bought this machine working. The game powers up, but will not play. The scoring motor continuously cycles, but nothing happens, there is no response from the game. It is set up pay for play. The scoring does not reset to zero. This is my first EM machine and I'm not sure where to start. The game is in decent shape, except for the cabinet, it has seen better days.

I am under the impression, based on what I could find to read, that I may have a stuck switch somewhere in the power up cycle, preventing the game from thinking it is ready to play.

#5 3 years ago

I did not transport it, but it was transported professionally, by a shipper who is no stranger to moving these machines. Something else I need is a good manual that identifies what each switch bank is, and does. I'll eventually figure that out, but right now I'm running blind, so to speak.

Thanks for the tips, I'm going to hit it fresh tomorrow, and this gives me something to start with.

#11 3 years ago

Ok, got the game working. All I did was tap each of the plates on the switches and it got to playing. What is this game supposed to look like, when functioning properly, in what would be attract, or idle mode. specifically the playfield and the backbox lighting.

Btw, is there a bulb puller. Some of those bulbs on the backbox are insanity makers.

There are some other issues as well, for instance, the game plays but none of the backbox lights are working. This cropped up early last evening, after a full afternoon of diving in and learning the innards. Turned it off for the day, but went back an hour later to play a game, and while the game played, no backbox lights.

Checked the fuses, they're all good, but I'm ordering new fuse holders. I hope to put the meter on the transformer today.

edit to add:

scoring motor is now functioning properly, scoring seems to be fine, but I don't know the game well enough to know if everything is scoring properly.

#12 3 years ago
Quoted from MarkG:

Does this start when you plug it in or when you drop a coin or when you hit the replay button?
There is a detailed description of the reset sequence on pages 2-3 in the manual on IPDB.org. How far through that sequence does the game get?

Sorry, I didn't mean to ignore this. It started after I dropped a coin. The scoring motor didn't even move until I tried playing a game.

#19 2 years ago
Quoted from dasvis:

No real attract mode per se in EM's. Just the occasional 455 blinking lights

Why would the backbox lights work, but after a power off, none of them work? Anyway, got the new fuse holders yesterday, and hope to get them installed tomorrow or Saturday.

Thanks for the tips. I'm going to order some 455's once I figure out why the backbox lights are not working.

Been busy, getting our grand-kids here from Washington, and I'm also working on a website upgrade and an old tractor

Not sure what it is about old stuff, but I like it LOL.

#21 2 years ago
Quoted from chas10e:

when you power off ( with the switch ) it drops power to the "lock relay"
when you power ON with the switch the G.I. doesn't turn on until you either press the left flipper button -or- use a credit (dropping a coin or if credits on machine pressing the start button)
those actions will energize the "lock relay" ... older Bally machines called it an "anti-cheat relay"

I'll look into that, but that's not quite how it's behaving, but I'm still not sure of what I don't know when it comes to these older machines. I gotta admit, it's totally different from the solid states. In some of my reading, I seem to remember coming across something of that nature, although it did not involve lights. Your post just reminded me of it. It wasn't what I was looking for at the time, so I perused it quickly and scrolled down.

#23 2 years ago

That's not working, but I haven't had time to dive into this thing much this past week. We got our grand-kids out of the Seattle area, and have been getting them settled in.

I plan to dive into the game this week, including installing the new fuse holders.

The game will cue up credits, it will reset on the push of the credit button, and it will score. Some playfield lights aren't working, and the whole backbox has not lit up since last Sunday evening, when I cycled it off after finishing working on it. I replaced a bulb on the playfield, finished up, and the powered it down. Turned it on an hour later, just to look at it lit up after it got dark outside, and no backbox lights.

#24 2 years ago

I looked at the schematic and the owner's manual, maybe I missed it, but did not see the ratings of the four fuses. Anybody know what they are?

#27 2 years ago

Thanks to both of you.

As best as I can determine, from left to right the fuses are 12, 15, 15 and I'm not sure about the last one. Hard to read. The fuses all look good, but I'm replacing them anyway.

2 years later
#30 5 months ago

Had forgot I started this thread right after I got the game or I would have continued it. The newer thread can be found here


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