(Topic ID: 249837)

Feels like pinball has finally peaked?


By Oneangrymo

63 days ago



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“Feels like pinball has finally peaked? ”

  • Hell no! 97 votes
    44%
  • Yes.. everything is on a downward trend now 61 votes
    28%
  • Your momma so fat.. 63 votes
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#1 63 days ago

With all the market ads Im seeing, it feels and looks like a lot of people are selling and getting out of the hobby?

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#2 63 days ago

Here we go again...

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#3 63 days ago

Add it to the pile:

2000:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/gzU8ZAOxvUE/qII_fx4klQ0J

2001:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/3XZf_itbXjY/QI04T4Qr9UkJ

2002:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/8CDhldb5kyw/JxQRQPIGmQwJ

2003:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20market$20price$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/clAO0zIHHfQ/CbExiOZrldIJ

2004:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/pXZDb-2V6Yk/GSPWq06-nWsJ

2005:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/ACTs0HpQktA/x-C5LZAF180J

2006:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/dBrqPnk7mkk/nQYyh65_fewJ

2007:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20prices$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/femnxuH8a1k/oeXzsItDbOQJ

2008:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/44iMVjwb68o/wXb8-3F9vOIJ

2009:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/JsgTrS05pCc/8pB5t9oUqTAJ

2010:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/hNRZGnOAZ-Y/bs8Js1M7sUAJ

2011:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/DlcZoruS0Bo/VO_cueyPCEQJ

2012:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-think-it-cant-happen-think-again

2013:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-will-pop

2014:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/this-is-not-a-rebirth-of-pinball-its-a-bubble

2015:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-all-want-the-ass-to-drop-out-of-pinball

2016:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/when-will-the-stern-bubble-burst

2017:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-we-in-a-pinball-bubble

2018:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-i-feel-pinball-prices-are-going-to-plummet

2019:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/will-pinball-prices-come-down-

#4 63 days ago

For sure. I'm pouring it all in to bitcoin...or tulips

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#5 63 days ago

Guys, it could be real this time. Seriously. It could be.

#6 63 days ago

Not even close, used prices fluctuate based on what's available nib, I can tell you there is only 39 pins on location in all of San Antonio the 7th largest city, pinball is making a comeback but far from peaked!

#7 63 days ago

I think it is just the summer and the new releases.

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#8 63 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Add it to the pile:

Dude in the 2000 article bitching about $4,000 Medieval Madness

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#9 63 days ago

LMAO I forgot about longtime RGP know it all pinballjim. I wonder if he's still in the hobby...He really nailed it with this post 14 years ago!

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pinballjim
9/8/05

JKirby wrote:
>Does anyone see the price
> bubble bursting any time soon?

Oh yeah, without a doubt. Anyone that tells you otherwise is
delusional.

Take a look at Ms. PacMan prices 3-5 years ago.

Then take a look at them today. Maybe 40%.

Pinball is no different. As the people that are interested in them
start dying off, the prices will bottom out to the "cool, neat weird
thing to have in the house as a conversation piece" which seems to be
around $500 today.

Frankly, with about 100 exceptions, the majority of pinball prices are
already hovering around that $500 mark.

#10 63 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Frankly, with about 100 exceptions, the majority of pinball prices are
already hovering around that $500 mark.

Thankfully, we don't see many $500 pins around anymore!

#11 63 days ago

I think it's more people want to try all the new stuff that is available and there's only so much space & money to do that.

#12 63 days ago

Sell now!!!!!

It's your only hope of recouping those precious investments you made specifically for retirement. ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz

Thanks
Blake

#13 63 days ago

Fun to go down the rabbit hole. Thanks crazylevi !!

This was the best post that I came across:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-all-want-the-ass-to-drop-out-of-pinball#post-2032030

#14 63 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

LMAO I forgot about longtime RGP know it all pinballjim. I wonder if he's still in the hobby...He really nailed it with this post 14 years ago!
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pinballjim
9/8/05
JKirby wrote:
>Does anyone see the price
> bubble bursting any time soon?
Oh yeah, without a doubt. Anyone that tells you otherwise is
delusional.
Take a look at Ms. PacMan prices 3-5 years ago.
Then take a look at them today. Maybe 40%.
Pinball is no different. As the people that are interested in them
start dying off, the prices will bottom out to the "cool, neat weird
thing to have in the house as a conversation piece" which seems to be
around $500 today.
Frankly, with about 100 exceptions, the majority of pinball prices are
already hovering around that $500 mark.

Great example!

Thanks
Blake

#15 63 days ago

How I picture Levi when he sees another one of these threads

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#16 63 days ago

I wonder which topic has more threads, bubble bursting or Tron VE ?

#17 63 days ago
Quoted from pinlink:

Thankfully, we don't see many $500 pins around anymore!

Why exactly is that “ thankfully”?

#18 63 days ago

Yup. Bubble blown. Pins worthless now but I can do you a solid by buying your pins for $500 each.

#20 63 days ago
Quoted from woody76:

the hipsters will save pinball

Maybe...SUPREME sold out in record time! lol

#21 63 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Add it to the pile:

Levi, I’m impressed! You compiled and posted that 4 minutes after this thread started!

#22 63 days ago
Quoted from wolverinetuner:

Levi, I’m impressed! You compiled and posted that 4 minutes after this thread started!

Don't let him fool you, he has it saved and just copies and past it every time this same thread pops up.

#23 63 days ago
Quoted from zh2oson:

Dude in the 2000 article bitching about $4,000 Medieval Madness[quoted image]

Who in the hell would pay 4 grand for a MM?

#24 63 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

LMAO I forgot about longtime RGP know it all pinballjim. I wonder if he's still in the hobby...He really nailed it with this post 14 years ago!
---------------------
pinballjim
9/8/05
JKirby wrote:
>Does anyone see the price
> bubble bursting any time soon?
Oh yeah, without a doubt. Anyone that tells you otherwise is
delusional.
Take a look at Ms. PacMan prices 3-5 years ago.
Then take a look at them today. Maybe 40%.
Pinball is no different. As the people that are interested in them
start dying off, the prices will bottom out to the "cool, neat weird
thing to have in the house as a conversation piece" which seems to be
around $500 today.
Frankly, with about 100 exceptions, the majority of pinball prices are
already hovering around that $500 mark.

I still talk to pinballjim occasionally. He won a large Missouri lottery back in 2013 and took the lump sum payment. He bought a place around Tahoe and is into photography & cars now. I know this will give him a good laugh.

#25 63 days ago
Quoted from woody76:

the hipsters will save pinball

We already did.

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#26 63 days ago

It won’t last.

Eventually it will only be Stern again and by then the hobby will be a shell...Levi’s & Vid’s will be stepping over the carcasses of iceman’s and frolic’s buying once glorious $10k Machines for pennies on the dollar...Odin will be living on the beach & Kaneda in his car...and we the people will finally have our old pinside back.

#27 62 days ago
Quoted from Oneangrymo:With all the market ads Im seeing, it feels and looks like a lot of people are selling and getting out of the hobby?

If they really wanted to sell them, they'd all be at more reasonable prices. A lot of for sale ads doesn't necessarily translate into a lot of sales.

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#28 62 days ago

I think we're past the peak of companies being able to put clear coat on a playfield.

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#29 62 days ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

I think we're past the peak of companies being able to put clear coat on a playfield.

Putting it on is easy, evidently the challenge is getting it to stay there...

#30 62 days ago
Quoted from wayout440:

If they really wanted to sell them, they'd all be at more reasonable prices. A lot of for sale ads doesn't necessarily translate into a lot of sales.

yep, all these fools buying NIB and putting $1000 plus in mods on and trying to get every penny back. Take that crap to Ebay.

#31 62 days ago

According to an expert source, it will peak on Feb 14, 2016

#32 62 days ago
Quoted from JayDee:

How I picture Levi when he sees another one of these threads[quoted image]

That’s funny this is how I see Levi.

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Pinball is not going anywhere soon, but if you don’t think it’s on a downward trend you’re just wrong. A healthy resell market sure helps to keep the prices up and people buying new pinball machines.

#33 62 days ago
Quoted from woody76:

Don't let him fool you, he has it saved and just copies and past it every time this same thread pops up.

Just cut and paste it from last year's bubble bursting thread and add that thread to the list.

#34 62 days ago

Things always slow down a bit in the Summer. It seems like around this time every year prices have dropped then by Oct most people wish they had bought more over the Summer "when prices were good". I do think the crazy jumps in prices on some of the Classic machines will likely slow some shortly but who knows for sure. It is amazing how strong the market is for Classic Bally & Stern machines. 3 or 4 years ago people would never have believed Classic Bally & Sterns would be bringing more that System 11 Williams machines but that is happening more and more these days.

#35 62 days ago

Yep, prices are definently in the tank

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#36 62 days ago
Quoted from Toasterdog:

Pinball is not going anywhere soon, but if you don’t think it’s on a downward trend you’re just wrong.

What trend are you looking at? I see several “new” pinball manufacturers (starting with Jersey Jack). And I freely admit I don’t have access to sales figures, but it looks to me like revenue to manufacturers is probably up sharply over the last five, ten, fifteen years. And barcades seem to be popping up like mushrooms. The number of games on location is up, way up in late-to-the-game Los Angeles. (30% in the last year?). And more machines for sale means more interest in the hobby, not less. We are experiencing a pinball golden age.

Yeah, we’re an aging herd, and current boom won’t last forever, but all the trends I see are upward; I haven’t seen a peak yet. So I ask again: What trend are you looking at?

#37 62 days ago
Quoted from Toasterdog:

That’s funny this is how I see Levi.
[quoted image]
Pinball is not going anywhere soon, but if you don’t think it’s on a downward trend you’re just wrong. A healthy resell market sure helps to keep the prices up and people buying new pinball machines.

Are you saying the bubble has already burst?!?!?!?!

Damn slayed by yet another Nostradamus in a 20-year string of them.

#38 62 days ago

Whenever a hot title comes out pinside sees a wave of low play huo games hit the market. When a bunch hit the market at once there is more supply then demand and prices drop (mostly only on recent releases). Overall the price of pinball machines still seems to be trending upward. So no bubble bursting yet. The moment it does the 900 people that have started these threads since pinside began will race to make CrazyLevi eat some crow.

#39 62 days ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Add it to the pile:
2000:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/gzU8ZAOxvUE/qII_fx4klQ0J
2001:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/3XZf_itbXjY/QI04T4Qr9UkJ
2002:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/8CDhldb5kyw/JxQRQPIGmQwJ
2003:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20market$20price$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/clAO0zIHHfQ/CbExiOZrldIJ
2004:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/pXZDb-2V6Yk/GSPWq06-nWsJ
2005:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/ACTs0HpQktA/x-C5LZAF180J
2006:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/dBrqPnk7mkk/nQYyh65_fewJ
2007:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20prices$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/femnxuH8a1k/oeXzsItDbOQJ
2008:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/44iMVjwb68o/wXb8-3F9vOIJ
2009:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/JsgTrS05pCc/8pB5t9oUqTAJ
2010:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/hNRZGnOAZ-Y/bs8Js1M7sUAJ
2011:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/DlcZoruS0Bo/VO_cueyPCEQJ
2012:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-think-it-cant-happen-think-again
2013:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-will-pop
2014:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/this-is-not-a-rebirth-of-pinball-its-a-bubble
2015:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-all-want-the-ass-to-drop-out-of-pinball
2016:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/when-will-the-stern-bubble-burst
2017:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-we-in-a-pinball-bubble
2018:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-i-feel-pinball-prices-are-going-to-plummet
2019:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/will-pinball-prices-come-down-

Levi just won Pinside with that mic drop of a reply... stupendous ! : )

#40 62 days ago

I'm imagining this Post-Peak-Pinball world. Suddenly every game in my collection loses 90% of its value. For some reason, I just don't care. I sell games when I get tired of them. I buy games when they interest me. The "value" of a game only comes into play at those two times. Otherwise, games are just an entertainment device for me and my friends. Play them, fix them, and don't worry about the value, that will take care of itself.

#41 62 days ago

3 new pinball bars opened up in st. louis, several open in Kansas city..... they are popping up everywhere. expect prices to keep rising at alarming rates for quite some time.

#43 62 days ago
Quoted from gliebig:

According to an expert source, it will peak on Feb 14, 2016

Valentine's Day.....bummer...

#44 62 days ago
Quoted from ArcadiusMaximus:

Valentine's Day.....bummer...

Oh I'm sure the ladies will love it; best gift ever

#45 62 days ago

Yes, pinball finally peaked. In the 1930s and again in the mid to late 70s and one last time in the early 90s.

#46 62 days ago
Quoted from PinballSTAR:

Levi just won Pinside with that mic drop of a reply... stupendous ! : )

Please don't encourage him Joe!!!

#47 62 days ago
Quoted from jgentry:

The moment it does the 900 people that have started these threads since pinside began will race to make CrazyLevi eat some crow.

Pinside will be out of business most likely at the point of such a catastrophic collapse in the market so it'll have to be back on RGP.

#48 62 days ago

I thought pinball peaked in 1981.

#49 62 days ago
Quoted from Gatecrasher:

I thought pinball peaked in 1981.

Nah. Games were selling 50,000 units and up in the 30s. And there were a lot more of them.

#50 62 days ago
Quoted from DaveH:

I'm imagining this Post-Peak-Pinball world. Suddenly every game in my collection loses 90% of its value. For some reason, I just don't care. I sell games when I get tired of them. I buy games when they interest me. The "value" of a game only comes into play at those two times. Otherwise, games are just an entertainment device for me and my friends. Play them, fix them, and don't worry about the value, that will take care of itself.

if you are always worried about the value of a game or losing money then there is no way to enjoy them. I would rather own none than worry about value in my games all the time.

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