With all the market ads Im seeing, it feels and looks like a lot of people are selling and getting out of the hobby?
With all the market ads Im seeing, it feels and looks like a lot of people are selling and getting out of the hobby?
Add it to the pile:
2012:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-think-it-cant-happen-think-again
2013:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-will-pop
2014:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/this-is-not-a-rebirth-of-pinball-its-a-bubble
2015:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-all-want-the-ass-to-drop-out-of-pinball
2016:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/when-will-the-stern-bubble-burst
2017:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-we-in-a-pinball-bubble
2018:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-i-feel-pinball-prices-are-going-to-plummet
2019:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/will-pinball-prices-come-down-
Not even close, used prices fluctuate based on what's available nib, I can tell you there is only 39 pins on location in all of San Antonio the 7th largest city, pinball is making a comeback but far from peaked!
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Add it to the pile:
Dude in the 2000 article bitching about $4,000 Medieval Madness
Ron Sigh.gifLMAO I forgot about longtime RGP know it all pinballjim. I wonder if he's still in the hobby...He really nailed it with this post 14 years ago!
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pinballjim
9/8/05
JKirby wrote:
>Does anyone see the price
> bubble bursting any time soon?
Oh yeah, without a doubt. Anyone that tells you otherwise is
delusional.
Take a look at Ms. PacMan prices 3-5 years ago.
Then take a look at them today. Maybe 40%.
Pinball is no different. As the people that are interested in them
start dying off, the prices will bottom out to the "cool, neat weird
thing to have in the house as a conversation piece" which seems to be
around $500 today.
Frankly, with about 100 exceptions, the majority of pinball prices are
already hovering around that $500 mark.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Frankly, with about 100 exceptions, the majority of pinball prices are
already hovering around that $500 mark.
Thankfully, we don't see many $500 pins around anymore!
I think it's more people want to try all the new stuff that is available and there's only so much space & money to do that.
Sell now!!!!!
It's your only hope of recouping those precious investments you made specifically for retirement. ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz
Thanks
Blake
Fun to go down the rabbit hole. Thanks CrazyLevi !!
This was the best post that I came across:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-all-want-the-ass-to-drop-out-of-pinball#post-2032030
Quoted from CrazyLevi:LMAO I forgot about longtime RGP know it all pinballjim. I wonder if he's still in the hobby...He really nailed it with this post 14 years ago!
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pinballjim
9/8/05
JKirby wrote:
>Does anyone see the price
> bubble bursting any time soon?
Oh yeah, without a doubt. Anyone that tells you otherwise is
delusional.
Take a look at Ms. PacMan prices 3-5 years ago.
Then take a look at them today. Maybe 40%.
Pinball is no different. As the people that are interested in them
start dying off, the prices will bottom out to the "cool, neat weird
thing to have in the house as a conversation piece" which seems to be
around $500 today.
Frankly, with about 100 exceptions, the majority of pinball prices are
already hovering around that $500 mark.
Great example!
Thanks
Blake
Quoted from pinlink:Thankfully, we don't see many $500 pins around anymore!
Why exactly is that “ thankfully”?
Quoted from woody76:the hipsters will save pinball
Maybe...SUPREME sold out in record time! lol
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Add it to the pile:
Levi, I’m impressed! You compiled and posted that 4 minutes after this thread started!
Quoted from wolverinetuner:Levi, I’m impressed! You compiled and posted that 4 minutes after this thread started!
Don't let him fool you, he has it saved and just copies and past it every time this same thread pops up.
Quoted from zh2oson:Dude in the 2000 article bitching about $4,000 Medieval Madness[quoted image]
Who in the hell would pay 4 grand for a MM?
Quoted from CrazyLevi:LMAO I forgot about longtime RGP know it all pinballjim. I wonder if he's still in the hobby...He really nailed it with this post 14 years ago!
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pinballjim
9/8/05
JKirby wrote:
>Does anyone see the price
> bubble bursting any time soon?
Oh yeah, without a doubt. Anyone that tells you otherwise is
delusional.
Take a look at Ms. PacMan prices 3-5 years ago.
Then take a look at them today. Maybe 40%.
Pinball is no different. As the people that are interested in them
start dying off, the prices will bottom out to the "cool, neat weird
thing to have in the house as a conversation piece" which seems to be
around $500 today.
Frankly, with about 100 exceptions, the majority of pinball prices are
already hovering around that $500 mark.
I still talk to pinballjim occasionally. He won a large Missouri lottery back in 2013 and took the lump sum payment. He bought a place around Tahoe and is into photography & cars now. I know this will give him a good laugh.
It won’t last.
Eventually it will only be Stern again and by then the hobby will be a shell...Levi’s & Vid’s will be stepping over the carcasses of iceman’s and frolic’s buying once glorious $10k Machines for pennies on the dollar...Odin will be living on the beach & Kaneda in his car...and we the people will finally have our old pinside back.
Quoted from Oneangrymo:With all the market ads Im seeing, it feels and looks like a lot of people are selling and getting out of the hobby?
If they really wanted to sell them, they'd all be at more reasonable prices. A lot of for sale ads doesn't necessarily translate into a lot of sales.
Quoted from TheLaw:I think we're past the peak of companies being able to put clear coat on a playfield.
Putting it on is easy, evidently the challenge is getting it to stay there...
Quoted from wayout440:If they really wanted to sell them, they'd all be at more reasonable prices. A lot of for sale ads doesn't necessarily translate into a lot of sales.
yep, all these fools buying NIB and putting $1000 plus in mods on and trying to get every penny back. Take that crap to Ebay.
Quoted from JayDee:How I picture Levi when he sees another one of these threads[quoted image]
That’s funny this is how I see Levi.
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Pinball is not going anywhere soon, but if you don’t think it’s on a downward trend you’re just wrong. A healthy resell market sure helps to keep the prices up and people buying new pinball machines.
Quoted from woody76:Don't let him fool you, he has it saved and just copies and past it every time this same thread pops up.
Just cut and paste it from last year's bubble bursting thread and add that thread to the list.
Things always slow down a bit in the Summer. It seems like around this time every year prices have dropped then by Oct most people wish they had bought more over the Summer "when prices were good". I do think the crazy jumps in prices on some of the Classic machines will likely slow some shortly but who knows for sure. It is amazing how strong the market is for Classic Bally & Stern machines. 3 or 4 years ago people would never have believed Classic Bally & Sterns would be bringing more that System 11 Williams machines but that is happening more and more these days.
Quoted from Toasterdog:Pinball is not going anywhere soon, but if you don’t think it’s on a downward trend you’re just wrong.
What trend are you looking at? I see several “new” pinball manufacturers (starting with Jersey Jack). And I freely admit I don’t have access to sales figures, but it looks to me like revenue to manufacturers is probably up sharply over the last five, ten, fifteen years. And barcades seem to be popping up like mushrooms. The number of games on location is up, way up in late-to-the-game Los Angeles. (30% in the last year?). And more machines for sale means more interest in the hobby, not less. We are experiencing a pinball golden age.
Yeah, we’re an aging herd, and current boom won’t last forever, but all the trends I see are upward; I haven’t seen a peak yet. So I ask again: What trend are you looking at?
Quoted from Toasterdog:That’s funny this is how I see Levi.
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Pinball is not going anywhere soon, but if you don’t think it’s on a downward trend you’re just wrong. A healthy resell market sure helps to keep the prices up and people buying new pinball machines.
Are you saying the bubble has already burst?!?!?!?!
Damn slayed by yet another Nostradamus in a 20-year string of them.
Whenever a hot title comes out pinside sees a wave of low play huo games hit the market. When a bunch hit the market at once there is more supply then demand and prices drop (mostly only on recent releases). Overall the price of pinball machines still seems to be trending upward. So no bubble bursting yet. The moment it does the 900 people that have started these threads since pinside began will race to make CrazyLevi eat some crow.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Add it to the pile:
2000:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/gzU8ZAOxvUE/qII_fx4klQ0J
2001:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/3XZf_itbXjY/QI04T4Qr9UkJ
2002:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/8CDhldb5kyw/JxQRQPIGmQwJ
2003:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20market$20price$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/clAO0zIHHfQ/CbExiOZrldIJ
2004:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/pXZDb-2V6Yk/GSPWq06-nWsJ
2005:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/ACTs0HpQktA/x-C5LZAF180J
2006:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/dBrqPnk7mkk/nQYyh65_fewJ
2007:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20prices$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/femnxuH8a1k/oeXzsItDbOQJ
2008:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/44iMVjwb68o/wXb8-3F9vOIJ
2009:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/JsgTrS05pCc/8pB5t9oUqTAJ
2010:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/hNRZGnOAZ-Y/bs8Js1M7sUAJ
2011:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/DlcZoruS0Bo/VO_cueyPCEQJ
2012:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-think-it-cant-happen-think-again
2013:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-will-pop
2014:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/this-is-not-a-rebirth-of-pinball-its-a-bubble
2015:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-all-want-the-ass-to-drop-out-of-pinball
2016:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/when-will-the-stern-bubble-burst
2017:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-we-in-a-pinball-bubble
2018:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-i-feel-pinball-prices-are-going-to-plummet
2019:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/will-pinball-prices-come-down-
Levi just won Pinside with that mic drop of a reply... stupendous ! : )
I'm imagining this Post-Peak-Pinball world. Suddenly every game in my collection loses 90% of its value. For some reason, I just don't care. I sell games when I get tired of them. I buy games when they interest me. The "value" of a game only comes into play at those two times. Otherwise, games are just an entertainment device for me and my friends. Play them, fix them, and don't worry about the value, that will take care of itself.
3 new pinball bars opened up in st. louis, several open in Kansas city..... they are popping up everywhere. expect prices to keep rising at alarming rates for quite some time.
Quoted from gliebig:According to an expert source, it will peak on Feb 14, 2016
Valentine's Day.....bummer...
Quoted from ArcadiusMaximus:Valentine's Day.....bummer...
Oh I'm sure the ladies will love it; best gift ever
Yes, pinball finally peaked. In the 1930s and again in the mid to late 70s and one last time in the early 90s.
Quoted from PinballSTAR:Levi just won Pinside with that mic drop of a reply... stupendous ! : )
Please don't encourage him Joe!!!
Quoted from jgentry:The moment it does the 900 people that have started these threads since pinside began will race to make CrazyLevi eat some crow.
Pinside will be out of business most likely at the point of such a catastrophic collapse in the market so it'll have to be back on RGP.
Quoted from Gatecrasher:I thought pinball peaked in 1981.
Nah. Games were selling 50,000 units and up in the 30s. And there were a lot more of them.
Quoted from DaveH:I'm imagining this Post-Peak-Pinball world. Suddenly every game in my collection loses 90% of its value. For some reason, I just don't care. I sell games when I get tired of them. I buy games when they interest me. The "value" of a game only comes into play at those two times. Otherwise, games are just an entertainment device for me and my friends. Play them, fix them, and don't worry about the value, that will take care of itself.
if you are always worried about the value of a game or losing money then there is no way to enjoy them. I would rather own none than worry about value in my games all the time.
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