Let's all agree, cigarettes are terrible, vaping is terrible, the fact that laws aren't treating them equally does not change the facts about their health effects.

This sounds like the guns being mad that knives also can kill you and the poor guns are being treated unfairly, meanwhile, still dead.

Source please.

I'm always suspect of someone telling me facts if they can't back up their own.

also be nice or take it to the pinside fight club thread and list your closest airport

We're gonna need a list of airports that still allow smoking outside. Pretty sure Detroit still does

There still isnt evidence that vaping is "terrible". There needs to be some clear evidence of that and there still is not.

for sure

There has been a couple of death reports on it, but what i'm not sure about is why is it now they are having the death record for something that has been selling for years.

slightly bad, somewhat unhealthy...you can choose the adjective. Being a proactive, positive advocate for it is just way out there in my opinion.

Just be aggressive with keeping this away from kids--whatever form that takes(laws, bans, whatever), the numbers tell us that it's already a huge problem with kids and growing. I am against that.

Sure, I dont think inhaling anything is going to be good for you.

And yes, that is the question, how are the kids getting them. But kids have always smoked as well it seems. The shift is just to vapes from cigarettes it seems.

Yep, things with batteries can explode:

Far more people have been injured from cell phones, smart watches, tablet PC's, car batteries, alarm clocks, model drones, RC cars etc than vaporizers.
BAN THEM ALL ! lol

In almost all cases, they explode due to modifications or not aligning the correct equipment for power ratings.

Let me start out by saying that I don’t smoke, nor do I vape outside of an occasional cigar once or twice a year, and I have no business interests in this.

I think banning something like this to be a bad idea. First, if we are going to ban this, why not also nicotine? Is it because the Vape companies don’t have lobbyists like the cigarette companies?

Second, why don’t we also ban junk food which leads to childhood obesity and adult obesity?

Finally, if we are worried about kids getting this, why aren’t we holding parents accountable? And won’t kids be exposed to greater risk when they end up buying black market vaping supplies?

Up here in BC smoking has taken a massive decline. Kids today do not smoke, actually the only people that smoke are the previously addicted and smoking is constantly on the decline as people kick the habit. Vaping is on the rise among kids because of all the its totally safe and better for you propaganda. Its heavily marketed to kids and they prey on the stupid. It is entirely pointless and there is nothing positive about it. Personally the only thing I think that should be legal to vape is pot and obviously it needs to be made safer. Everything else should be banned. At least with pot you get high, I will never understand why anyone would vape juice, nicotine and god knows what else. I do concede vaping nicotine as a means to break the addiction should be legal but heavily monitored and not for sale to the general public.

Politicians looking for re-election would have you believe that prohibition is a good thing.

They are confident that the people have forgotten about the 1920's...and continue to slay imaginary dragons for us. All to keep there plush jobs...

This is a good series everyone should watch to get an idea of what prohibition entails:

https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/prohibition/watch-video/#id=2082675582

not sure that's true. At least in my anecdotal evidence having a middle school kid, they seem to indicate that they think cigarettes are nasty and vaping is harmless fun more or less. They may or may not have started smoking but it sounds like they wouldn't have, at least not at the age they are now...who knows once they are older. Now, they are getting hooked on vaping which may or may not have nicotine in it and legal no nic vape has been found in some cases to have nic in it which seems bad.

Cannabis prohibition has cost the US taxpayes over 1 trillion dollars.

In exchange we have a higher tax rate and a failing infrastructure.

Politicians do not work for the public good. They work to stay elected.

Good thing politics is off limits here!

How many of those do you put in your mouth?

Source please

It sparks a whole new industry is what it does.

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I just heard of this today:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hearing-aid-batteries-recalled-because-7761214

google

That's not how sources work. Every google link I can find as West Virginia as the highest smoking state; then there's a few after that aren't Michigan either.
So I'm giving you the chance to prove that you aren't full of shit and just making up facts.

Well now, do that and vaping turns from a real cheap cessation tool to another expensive option for industry to dig deep into your pockets. Vaping is cheap. It was a very cheap way for me to kick the addiction. I would hate to see "cheap" go away. Start monitoring it like it is Fort Knox and smoking will look cheap.

OTOH, a pack of smokes is thru the roof so I can see where an adolescent would trend toward vaping instead of smoking.

What I can't yet understand is why kids think vaping looks cool. I mean, with a cigarette there are all sorts of dramatic uses for cigarettes. ARe you in the middle of an intense conversation that you would like to slow down? Pull out a pack of smokes and fiddle around with all the ways a cigarette can be manipulated before you get back to the conversation. With a vape stick I can see no dramatic effect at all.

Because it's new and they are kids and it's cool.

What about the straight THC vapes that come from a legit shop from a state where it is legal? Are they saying those are dangerous too, or is this just for Nicotine vapes?

The people pushing for bans will say that no vaping is safe. In my personal experience I can say that I've used two legal lab tested thc vape capsules and had no ill effects.

They blow my mind.

Just like clown puke lighting.

I'm Canadian so up here it would change the cost to free, if it was part of Doctor prescribed medical treatment. As we have a socialized medical system helping people quit is better for everyone, the cost to helping someone quit is a pittance compared to the burden smoking puts on the medical system.

Kids vape because the entire industry is designed and targeted at them. Its just another plug in rechargeable gadget that comes in as many colors and styles as their cell phone. There are plenty of "influencers" pushing it right along side with eSports and every other product and gadget aimed at them. A pack of smokes is just some dirty stupid thing for old people.

P.S. Before I get thread ejected, I'm not saying our system is better or making a political statement about socialism. Just trying to clarify my perspective and view point is from a different place.

Oops quoted myself instead of edit.

its not the nicotine vapes at all, all have been black market thc vapes. they thin/stretch thc with a chemical know as vitamin E acetate. This is the culprit.

I have a THC vape (I'm Canadian and its legal and legit) and I gotta tell you its pretty awesome. There is no smell and it's not like the vape you see guys exhaling massive clouds of smoke. You exhale a bit of mist like breath on a cold morning. Its so perfectly measure and controlled, I'm not a big pot head or anything just like to get a little high to play pinball or at the movies. I don't miss the days of weed being like some weird masculine thing that if a joint isn't a kick in the head from a donkey its shit. Now you know the exact strength and quantity.

Nothing is free. You pay tax dollars that subsidize your programs. People often confuse the fact that if something isn't a direct cost it is free.

True. But it's also the case that overall per-person and per service costs in Canada are substantially less than in the US. For better or worse, we have the most expensive health care system in the world. And just like in Canada, someone (employers, the government, or individual premium payers) has to pay for it all.

The point is the cost of helping someone quit smoking is significantly cheaper than the thousands of health related issues caused by it. The less people that smoke the better our health care would be and it the cheaper it gets. We don't have that thing that the more you need something the more you have to pay. Sure drugs can be patented so we have to pay the set price but anything generic is dirt cheap. The stuff from a Doctor is much cheaper than branded marketed stuff that is over the counter. I was just saying the "cheap" would not go away, it would only become cheaper.

Just saw this on the news. Looks like they are cracking down on the sources. For those who vape THC, read the chart at the bottom..

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/vaping/tests-show-bootleg-marijuana-vapes-tainted-hydrogen-cyanide-n1059356?cid=eml_nbn_20190927

I think we are in agreement. I just wanted to correct on the "free" terminology. I too have a THC vape pen. I don't vape nicotine although it is absolutely asinine in my mind to ban it with a hammer because some kids are illegally obtaining or creating basement devices which explode. We don't need to throw out the baby with the bath water because some crocked politician is influenced financially by the pharma or tobacco industry. The focus is on the most recent shocking incidents as opposed the the long term benefits (less tobacco, less healthcare costs, less deaths). Anyone arguing smoking is better than vaping or they are equally as bad is literally out of their minds. If we ban everything that is bad for us we would all be living in cages to protect ourselves from ourselves. I think some actually want this control.

In my mind Canada has always been ahead of the the US in regards to drug regulation and laws around usage. Hell, our federal government still classifies THC as a schedule 1 drug? So you're telling me marijuana is a gateway to other drugs like cocaine but cocaine is a schedule 2 drug? It's ass backwards but again, it is because politicians are influenced by lobbyists. As others mentioned, in the US we create industries around prohibition which only exasperate the problem. It's unfortunate we have some many proponents of big government who actually think these people care about them and not the next election cycle.

This is helpful. It pretty much proves bootleg crap is the cause. When you go to a legal dispensary all the boxes show the lab test and every ingredient on the back. Live resin is the way to go. Barely any additives.

Some of these are in legal dispensaries. Just be careful.

With live resins, do they work like wax?

No, look just like a typical cartridge. They use the term "full spectrum" for Live resin also. Raw Gardens is a great brand. Chemistry is another brand (pic related). Eventually all the companies will move to live resin is my guess. The back of the packaging has all the lab results and even the terpenes. They are getting pretty sophisticated and it would be a shame to throw it all away.

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Oh wow, I havent seen those. Funny enough, a buddy of mine was going to get me some THC carts and after all the recent news, I decided to pass. He asked if I wanted live resins instead and I wasnt familiar with them...

Thanks for the info, thats very interesting.

I read that vaping was putting a huge dent in tobacco futures and that is why they want to stop it. MONEY, they don't give a fuck about your health.

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A lot of the companies you can scan the QR on the box with your phone and it gives you all the lab tests.

Comparing the street crap with the legal modern stuff is like saying we should ban cars like a high tuned Mercedes because billy bob built a hot rod on a tractor frame and killed himself.

Oh I completely agree.

I haven't researched it, but anyone know what percentage of vape sales are made by tobacco-affiliated subsidiaries? I would guess it's a lot, they've been preparing for this for many years and know how to market these products.

And 100% agree with everyone here that banning vaping is massive overkill, makes zero sense in a world where conventional cigarette and alcohol sales are still permitted. I do support banning grape flavored unicorn mist and all that other crap that's blatantly targeted to children. The UK approach of severe marketing restrictions to keep it is a cessation aid instead of a new novelty seems sound to me, might be a bit harder here due to the First Amendment but cigarette advertising is heavily regulated so no logical reason the same couldn't apply to vapes.

Let em die, thats even cheaper.