(Topic ID: 96933)

FCC & UL/CE Testing - we are doing it for MMR, is everyone else?

By PPS

9 years ago


Topic Heartbeat

Topic Stats

  • 61 posts
  • 30 Pinsiders participating
  • Latest reply 10 months ago by Parallax
  • Topic is favorited by 5 Pinsiders

You

Linked Games

No games have been linked to this topic.

    You're currently viewing posts by Pinsider LonghornEngineer.
    Click here to go back to viewing the entire thread.

    #59 9 years ago

    Hi Rick this is the engineer (Parker) that designed the Pinheck board that Spooky uses in AMH.

    UL listing is interesting. UL listing is not required for a device unless that device requires UL listing for inspection purposes (local regulations for machines and the like). There is also a 100% viable alternative to UL called ETL. This is basically the exact same thing as UL except run by a different company is less expensive to test.

    Now on to CE. Getting your device UL and CE listed pretty much cover the same things. The CE mark is the EU's answer to UL in the US. The CE mark indicates that the product meets the basic requirements of the European health, safety, and environmental agencies. There is a lot more to CE testing then radiated emission testing.

    The major difference is that CE is required in European countries where as UL is not in the states. Also, UL is not recognized outside of the states where as CE is recognized almost universally with a few exceptions (the above cases of inspections and the like).

    CE has a directive for pretty much everything. Just a short list would be Low Voltage Directive, Machinery Directive, EMC Directive and Medical Device Directive. If the device is CE marked it will most likely pass and surpass the UL code.

    Basically what it boils down to is liability. If your device gets either UL or ETL listed they will back you in court. However if you do CE you can claim that CE is just as good as the comparable UL/ETL and you followed common standards you will be fine.

    Sure CE won't flip your machine over, pour water all over it, or try to damage it but if you followed common building practices this shouldn't be a problem.

    Rick if you need help getting your board set though FCC/CE testing I will be more then happy to help you out. The tests are pretty brutal at times and I never got any help from the testing house. Information on the net about passing these regulations is also very scarce. One of the gotchas in testing is the surge test. It is in EN6100-4-2 if I remember right. If you use a proper CE marked power supply you will pass the test but there are a ton of power supplies out there that are marked "CE" (Chinese Export) that the logo looks very similar to the official CE one. Here is a wiki link on the logo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking#China_Export .

    You're currently viewing posts by Pinsider LonghornEngineer.
    Click here to go back to viewing the entire thread.

    Reply

    Wanna join the discussion? Please sign in to reply to this topic.

    Hey there! Welcome to Pinside!

    Donate to Pinside

    Great to see you're enjoying Pinside! Did you know Pinside is able to run without any 3rd-party banners or ads, thanks to the support from our visitors? Please consider a donation to Pinside and get anext to your username to show for it! Or better yet, subscribe to Pinside+!


    This page was printed from https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/fcc-ulce-testing-we-are-doing-it-for-mmr-is-everyone-else?tu=LonghornEngineer and we tried optimising it for printing. Some page elements may have been deliberately hidden.

    Scan the QR code on the left to jump to the URL this document was printed from.