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FCC Starts Dismantling Internet (Neutrality)

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6 years ago


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#44 6 years ago

I am glad that someone started this thread. I thought about it, but wasn't sure if it fell with in the posting guidelines. I think that this is very topical to a website that is based on such a niche audience. Abandoning the protections provided by net neutrality will put websites like Pinside at risk. If Pinside has to start paying for bandwith where is the revenue going to come from? The internet works well as it stands. Its not like its some failing industry that drastically needs to be "de regulated". Really what it is doing is opening he door for isps to add regulations to the rest of those on the web and make a profit on it. They are ignoring the wants of the consumer with this one. I really struggle to find a reason why this makes sense outside of generating more revenue for current isps.

#45 6 years ago

Most of us have access to the Internet in more than one way. In addition to calling my local rep, I was thinking about dropping my land based isp for the next 3 months out of protest and referencing this issue. I figure that it will force me to do better things over the summer like play more pinball.

#50 6 years ago

The internet has worked great without regulation. The net neutrality rules are meant to prevent regulation of the internet by isps. The isps are only a means to the Internet. The content contributions to the internet by the isps suck, that is why they need this boost. If something like Google fiber was everywhere, the current isp business model would be obsolete and other businesses would benefit from larger data sharing capabilities. "Regulation" is just another way of thinking about the control of power. Someone is always being "regulated". The public votes on rules to regulate the government. This is an example of the government allowing a semi monopoly to regulate people and other forms of industry. Another thing to consider is that the internet has now become one the largest vehicles for free speech. The impact that the internet has had on global politics in the past 10 years has been immense. The power of the internet has changed practically overnight. Condensing that power to the isp giants might have unforseen consequences for everyone.

#98 6 years ago

In my view, one way that the internet could be improved is by increasing bandwith capabilities with something like fiber and reducing costs of access.

Removing the net neutrality rules does not directly do anything for either of those improvements.

I live in a major metropolitan area and I'm not overtly happy with the current offerings of any of my available isps. I take what I have because they the only options. I do not see this getting better with the removal of net neutrality.

I empathize with the argument that isps should be allowed to do what they want with their businesses. However, at the same time I think that getting rid of net neutrality will help only the isps and hurt everyone else. Deregulation does not inherintly bring prosperity to all. And I agree with others that have pointed out that removing net neutrality rules is a form of regulation.

Outside of the general "deregulation will lead to competition and innovation" argument, how will removing net neutrality rules improve the internet and the lives of those that is it? What about the internet needs to be improved and how will removing net neutrality help with that?

#110 6 years ago

In an interview with npr, Ajit Pai was asked if they would consider keeping the net neutrality rules if enough Americans supported it. He said that all factors would have to be considered and that "best evidence" suggests otherwise. i.e. this is going to happen.

#122 6 years ago

Search for it

Quoted from Glarrownage:They likely wouldn't cover it anyway given the fact that the major telecom companies own the corporate media. To get any accurate information on the topic people have to make an effort to search for it and avoid corporate talking points/propagand

Search for it where? The internet?

If we really think that the networks won't cover it because it won't benefit them financially, what will they do when they can regulate the web.

#125 6 years ago
Quoted from tmontana:

Said the frog in the pot of water that was heated slowly.

How about this? Back in the mid-nineties laws were changed in regards to how prescription drugs were allowed to be marketed. In come the tv commercials that start saying "ask your doctor if proviagraxzon is right for you". Before you told you doctor your symptoms and he/she gave you a prescription for them. Now we go to the doctor and ask them for drugs. Fast forward 20 years and 60% of Americans regularly take a prescription drug. Are we healthier because of this, I would argue no.

Now we are back peddling and blaming because a large percentage of the population is addicted to prescription pain meds and we want the government to regulate it better.

Who would have thought that marketing pharmacuticle grade opiods would have led to addiction?

#141 6 years ago
Quoted from Kneissl:

I remember doomsday talk when neutrality went in. Hell, isn't it only since 2015? I don't see the end of days with CompuServe and AOL type segregated networks happening If we pedal back to 2015. I dunno if deregulation is going to improve anything, I just doubt we're going to see the internet change in any significant way.

The concern is the intent. When net neutrality rules were put in place, it was mostly meant to preserve not change. To remove them implies that there is an agenda for change. Realistically, I agree that we won't see a major change overnight. In ten years I do think that the internet will be much different based on the outcome of the net neutrality rulling.

Response to my other two prior postings: my question was mostly rhetorical.

#145 6 years ago
Quoted from John_I:

I don't get the hatred of large corporations.

My view of this issue does not come from a hatred for large corporations. The internet is a virtual space and the quality of it comes from the contributions of those in that space. In my oppinion, the internet content that is provided by large isps is very poor compared to other companies that have web based businesses. They isps want to capatlize better on the content that they don't provide (websites like Pinside, Netflix, Amazon, etc.). This will essentially create a tax for all of the non isp user and cooperations. I do not live in a remote rural area and I have been trying for years to find an isp alternative to the two that I have but they pretty much own the market. If my solution was as easy as switching to a better competitor, this wouldn't even be an issue. I see this as an outsourcing of regulatory capabilities to the isp companies on a space that has been made great by other individuals and cooperations.

Let's say that you built a mall that became overtly popular and successful. Now the state decides to give your competitor (much less successful more politically influencial) the authority to manage and tax the road system. Your competitor decides that it would be profitable to place a toll on the only road that leads to your mall. You can't get approval to build a new road. That is how I view net neutrality.

#154 6 years ago

How will removing net neutrality ("deregulation") improve the internet for end users over what it is now?

Before we're arguing about regulation the question needs to be: Who should own the internet?

I think that we should keep this thread from devolving into partison politics.

Aside from calling reps and the fcc, what can a consumer do to stop this?

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#349 6 years ago
Quoted from Who-Dey:

You would think so wouldn't you?

Unlike most issues on the national stage, this one has the potential to directly impact our experience on Pinside. I can't imagine that Pinside generates anywhere near enough revenue to compete with companies like Facebook, Amazon or Netflix if it comes down to it. I agree that the back and forth isn't always helpful. However, most people I talk to don't even know that this conversation is occurring so I do see value in allowing these discussions on here.

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