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Fathom playfield swap

By Mudflaps

3 years ago


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#1 3 years ago

This thread will document my first playfield swap. I picked up a player’s Fathom, cosmetically very good and working. The playfield was above average, but I thought I’d do a swap for fun.

I picked up a Gold CPR playfield and started sourcing parts from pbresource, pinrestore, Comet, Action Pinball, etc. I knew I wouldn’t get everything I needed right away, so the post office will get a few more bucks from me as I make purchases on an as-needed basis.

I used guides from Vid and mof to start the process, so a huge thanks to them. This will not be a tutorial, but rather a fun thread for me to point out my goofs and ask dumb questions.

The rotisserie gets here next week along with the rails from Taylor, so I’m using a sawhorse in the meanwhile.

CPR Gold:
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Labels:
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Disconnected mechs and wire harness awaiting the wash:
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Lamp sockets and t-nuts installed:
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My chaotic workstation:
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#2 3 years ago

The game before tear down. CPR backglass, CPR plastics and white LED displays with Comet LEDs.

I was also lucky to get a new apron.

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#3 3 years ago

Will follow!

I am really liking mine. Some very nice features. Let me know if ya need any pics on reassembly .

I also got the cabinet colors pretty well color matched at Lowes if you want to touch up the cabinet if your interested.

#4 3 years ago

“Now you’ve done it”
Looking good Good luck with resto it will be nice!

#5 3 years ago

Awesome thread man! I’ll be doing something similar soon. I’m working on building a fathom machine from a pulled playfield. My playfield is partially populated and missing the wire harness. Im excited to follow your project and see if it will help fill in my gaps. Don’t be afraid to post tons of pics! Good luck!

#6 3 years ago

On the to-do list while I wait for the rotisserie:

- Molex the mechs
- Wash all mechs and wire harness
- Rebuild drop target mechs

Once the rotisserie arrives, I’ll start routing and soldering the ground wire. After that, I’ll re-install the clean and functional mechs. Then the tedious process of soldering the lamps...

#7 3 years ago
Quoted from Gotpins:

Awesome thread man! I’ll be doing something similar soon. I’m working on building a fathom machine from a pulled playfield. My playfield is partially populated and missing the wire harness. Im excited to follow your project and see if it will help fill in my gaps. Don’t be afraid to post tons of pics! Good luck!

I picked up a coin door harness from Mk1Mod0. He also sells the complete wire harness for some SS games, and I asked about Fathom, but he’s backlogged. It might be worth getting on his list. I certainly don’t blame him for getting burned out, the wire harness is crazy.

#8 3 years ago

Bally used plastic 555 lamp sockets. On Fathom, there are at least three types. I decided to upgrade everything to 44 type sockets.

I ordered the insert sockets from Steve, but I’ll place another order for the GI sockets and flat insert sockets.

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#9 3 years ago

Wife is out of the house! Quick, throw the harness and mechs in the wash!

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#10 3 years ago
Quoted from Mudflaps:

Wife is out of the house! Quick, throw the harness and mechs in the wash![quoted image]

wait WHAT?! You can do this?

Today I learned...

#11 3 years ago
Quoted from ThePinballCo-op:

wait WHAT?! You can do this?
Today I learned...

You’d be surprised what a pillowcase and delicate cycle in the washing machine would do

#12 3 years ago

The most nerve wracking part so far has been the molex connections. I suck at them. Lots of practice, but little room for error when I start. One down, several dozen to go.

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#13 3 years ago

Kudos to you on a very challenging swap!

#14 3 years ago

Harness and mechs out of the wash. Everything seemed to hold together well. I only lost 2 labels and a few coil wrappers. I zip tied the switches to prevent them from falling apart, so no tiny parts at the bottom of the wash. I’ll call this one a win.

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#15 3 years ago

Awesome Thread!! Please, the more detail and pics the better!! I have the same project ahead of me, however mine is a basket case without a populated playfield, just a nicely clearcoated CPR replacement and new replacement wiring harness!

#16 3 years ago
Quoted from Mudflaps:

Bally used plastic 555 lamp sockets. On Fathom, there are at least three types. I decided to upgrade everything to 44 type sockets.
I ordered the insert sockets from Steve, but I’ll place another order for the GI sockets and flat insert sockets.
HEP uses a small connector to solder the socket to the braid, so I stole his process.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Looks good I love seeing my influence in all these restorations and appreciate that you give credit.
One thing you can do here to save aggravation is skip the lugs on the socket mounts since you are running the two lead version.
The lower leg of the socket will take the place of that but you will need to tie them together with insulated wire.

#17 3 years ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Looks good I love seeing my influence in all these restorations and appreciate that you give credit.
One thing you can do here to save aggravation is skip the lugs on the socket mounts since you are running the two lead version.
The lower leg of the socket will take the place of that but you will need to tie them together with insulated wire.

First of all, thanks for chiming in! I’m honored.

Secondly, I planned to match the donor game with the same route of bare wire. Reading the diagram below on the A2916 socket, the bare wire connects to C, and I was going to solder the harness to A. I was not going to use B. Granted, these are for the controlled inserts and not GI.

Is this correct?

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#18 3 years ago
Quoted from Mudflaps:

First of all, thanks for chiming in! I’m honored.
Secondly, I planned to match the donor game with the same route of bare wire. Reading the diagram below on the A2916 socket, the bare wire connects to C, and I was going to solder the harness to A. I was not going to use B. Granted, these are for the controlled inserts and not GI.
Is this correct?
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With that particular socket you are absolutely correct!!
The lower terminal is not tied to the base it has an insulator between it.
Do as you are doing or you could still do without but you would need to jump the lower lead to the bracket.
The advantage of working off the top of the sockets is that the common wire doesn’t get buried down there. You keep it up high and accessible which is nice if you miss one or it breaks somewhere.

If you were using this socket it wouldn’t be necessary because the lower lead is tied to the base.

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#19 3 years ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

With that particular socket you are absolutely correct!!
The lower terminal is not tied to the base it has an insulator between it.
Do as you are doing or you could still do without but you would need to jump the lower lead to the bracket.
The advantage of working off the top of the sockets is that the common wire doesn’t get buried down there. You keep it up high and accessible which is nice if you miss one or it breaks somewhere.
If you were using this socket it wouldn’t be necessary because the lower lead is tied to the base.
[quoted image]

That makes sense, thanks again!

#20 3 years ago
Quoted from Mudflaps:

Wife is out of the house! Quick, throw the harness and mechs in the wash!

Just a public service announcement here for anyone using their dishwasher to clean up a harness.

If you use hot water, make sure you do NOT have anything plastic in the washer. The plastic WILL warp. For instance, say you are washing a drop target assembly with the drop targets installed OR you are cleaning up a harness from, I dunno, say a 1950s Rock Ola jukebox with a few other assemblies like it's record selection panel that has the plastic keycaps still installed.

Don't ask me how I know. I never make mistakes like this so, uh, I think I might have read about it or, uh, something ...

Again, ALWAYS check your temperature setting before washing ... especially if you have anything plastic in there.

#21 3 years ago
Quoted from megadeth2600:

Just a public service announcement here for anyone using their dishwasher to clean up a harness.
If you use hot water, make sure you do NOT have anything plastic in the washer. The plastic WILL warp. For instance, say you are washing a drop target assembly with the drop targets installed OR you are cleaning up a harness from, I dunno, say a 1950s Rock Ola jukebox with a few other assemblies like it's record selection panel that has the plastic keycaps still installed.
Don't ask me how I know. I never make mistakes like this so, uh, I think I might have read about it or, uh, something ...
Again, ALWAYS check your temperature setting before washing ... especially if you have anything plastic in there.

Good tip!

I’m going to toss the drop targets anyway, but they seemed to have survived along with anything else that was plastic. I kept the harness up top just in case.

All mechs are now molexed and slings installed.

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#22 3 years ago

Tagging this because I think a few of your teardown pictures are going to help me solve some electrical things on mine.

#23 3 years ago

Yikes! Pinside was down for almost a week, and I made some decent progress.

All lamps were installed, then the bare wire. Routing the wire was a giant pain and took forever. Soldered all connections, then tested with a homemade 6V adapter. All seemed to be working.

I removed the connectors from the middle inserts because they were too close, risking a short.

While I wait for my rotisserie to get powdercoated (overkill, I know), I’m cleaning all the mechs. The drop targets were filthy, so those got a deep clean with new drops. I ordered new brackets from shapeway to replace the improvised versions.

After all mechs are re-installed, I’ll start the wire harness.

Lamps and wire (some connectors removed for space):
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Center lights with connector (later removed):
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Testing the lamps:
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Cleaning the drops:
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#24 3 years ago

Progress so far. Still waiting on the new rails.

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#25 3 years ago

All mechs cleaned, reassembled and installed. I should be ready for the wire harness, but I’ll give it a day or two to think about anything I may have missed.

The bare wire seems clear of everything, so hopefully no shorts. I had to do some light Dremel work on the two kickouts because the playfield wouldn’t allow the arm to swing. Sanded, then applied liquid clear. Looks factory and functions well.

I’m nervous about the drop targets because the drops are new and the entire mech is super finicky. I’m sure with 15 drop targets, something will go wrong.

No major issues so far, and only a few silly and easily fixable mistakes. Hopefully all goes well with the wire harness.

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#26 3 years ago

Wire harness back on the game. I’m working from the bottom up, no soldering yet. Just reattaching switches and making sure everything lines up.

The labels were critical. I left about 1/4” wire to each socket and coil, and combined with the pictures, everything seems pretty straightforward. The soldering is going to take a while, but there’s some light at the end of the tunnel.

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#27 3 years ago

Thanks for sharing

Hi Mudflaps
I notice that you’re flipper mechs are not the linear type
Just asking what are type they are

Following

#28 3 years ago
Quoted from Mudflaps:

I’m sure with 15 drop targets, something will go wrong.

Inline drop target adjustable bottom plate part is in backwards.

#29 3 years ago
Quoted from Mudflaps:

This will not be a tutorial, but rather a fun thread for me to point out my goofs

Quoted from kursiv:

Inline drop target adjustable bottom plate part is in backwards.

You’re right! Likely one of many more silly goofs. Thanks for heads up, will fix.

Wrong:
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Right:
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#30 3 years ago

Nice work!

I just replaced the playfield plastics on mine. Due to the cracks in the original plastics, I bought the plastic protectors from pinball life 30 bucks plus shipping. I was concerned about the round access holes in the large playfield plastics aligning with the holes in the protectors. Came out pretty good.

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#31 3 years ago
Quoted from sulli10:

Nice work!
I just replaced the playfield plastics on mine. Due to the cracks in the original plastics, I bought the plastic protectors from pinball life 30 bucks plus shipping. I was concerned about the round access holes in the large playfield plastics aligning with the holes in the protectors. Came out pretty good.

I also bought the plastic protectors. Glad to know they worked out, I haven’t put them in yet.

#32 3 years ago
Quoted from Pinoffski:

Thanks for sharing
Hi Mudflaps
I notice that you’re flipper mechs are not the linear type
Just asking what are type they are
Following

I’m not sure to be honest. The previous owner rebuilt them, and they work great, so I haven’t touched them. Clearly I’m not a purist.

#33 3 years ago
Quoted from Mudflaps:

I’m not sure to be honest. The previous owner rebuilt them, and they work great, so I haven’t touched them. Clearly I’m not a purist.

They are 70's Bally mechs.

#34 3 years ago
Quoted from Pinoffski:

Thanks for sharing
Hi Mudflaps
I notice that you’re flipper mechs are not the linear type
Just asking what are type they are
Following

Look in Vids flipper rebuild thread! Has all the info you will need!

#35 3 years ago

Two questions brother...

1st - you retired already or is it back to the cold war days on the alert pad and the Air Force gives you all this time to do so much in a week?

2nd - is this what you did to that TFTC I bought from you years ago? Great stuff Bro! Actually, isn't there a thread out there on that TFTC? I still miss that pin... best playfield I have ever seen.

All kidding aside Kyle, nice work brother. Aim High...

#36 3 years ago
Quoted from Asylum:

Two questions brother...
1st - you retired already or is it back to the cold war days on the alert pad and the Air Force gives you all this time to do so much in a week?
2nd - is this what you did to that TFTC I bought from you years ago? Great stuff Bro! Actually, isn't there a thread out there on that TFTC? I still miss that pin... best playfield I have ever seen.
All kidding aside Kyle, nice work brother. Aim High...

Hey Kevin! The plan was to retire, but like all plans, life happened. I got promoted, so we’re on the move again this summer. I do pinball stuff on the weekends for fun.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/resurrecting-tftc-a-clearcoat-powdercoat-adventure

^^ I did that one during R&R after a deployment, and it was gorgeous. I ordered parts over 6 months and had a fun project waiting for me. I wonder where that game landed...

Hope you’re doing well!

#37 3 years ago

The rotisserie is ready tomorrow, so that will make everything a bit easier.

I was going to connect everything and then solder, but I changed course to keep the wires tidy. Most of the soldering is done on the lower half of the playfield. I’m still finishing the molex connections to all the coils.

So far, it’s going well and I’m waiting for the first big hurdle.

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#38 3 years ago

Rotisserie in hand, freshly powdercoated and ready to go. I added drop dead foam to the bracket to protect the playfield.

From the bottom, all mechs are molexed and everything is soldered. I’m pretty much finished through the midline. There are some tight spaces to deal with toward the pop bumpers.

#39 3 years ago

What size pins using with molex connectors?

Thinking might try this on my next PF swap, which happens to be a Fathom

#40 3 years ago
Quoted from Madmax541:

What size pins using with molex connectors?
Thinking might try this on my next PF swap, which happens to be a Fathom

I’m using a 3-pin molex from Amazon. They’re super shitty, but work okay. Several of the coils have 4 wires, so I’m splitting the connections between 2 Molex connectors with 2 wires each.

Molex Connector Lot, 4 Matched Sets, (3-Circuits) w/18-24 AWG .062" Pi... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074XM27RP/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_api_glt_fabc_SZPA3G9MSAT3PBTHKCF8

#41 3 years ago

Looking great Kyle! Fathom is a gorgeous game when tricked out .... do ur thing bro!

#42 3 years ago

Did you consider connectors and pins from Great Plains Electronics quality products?

#43 3 years ago
Quoted from Madmax541:

Did you consider connectors and pins from Great Plains Electronics quality products?

I can’t speak to Great Plain products first hand, but I’ve heard good things. I’m using cheap connectors because of the convenience of ordering through Amazon. They work and function as expected, so I don’t think I’ll have any long term issues.

#44 3 years ago
Quoted from Mudflaps:

Bally used plastic 555 lamp sockets. On Fathom, there are at least three types. I decided to upgrade everything to 44 type sockets.
I ordered the insert sockets from Steve, but I’ll place another order for the GI sockets and flat insert sockets.
HEP uses a small connector to solder the socket to the braid, so I stole his process.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

"HEP uses a small connector to solder the socket to the braid, so I stole his process."

That a damn good idea - thanks for sharing!

I did a quick scan of pbresource, but admittedly didn't try to hard... do you have a link to wherever you got them or a part number for those small connectors? I love it!

#45 3 years ago
Quoted from bayoubilly70:

"HEP uses a small connector to solder the socket to the braid, so I stole his process."
That a damn good idea - thanks for sharing!
I did a quick scan of pbresource, but admittedly didn't try to hard... do you have a link to wherever you got them or a part number for those small connectors? I love it!

They’re called solder lugs. 8 for $1 on pinrestore.

https://www.pinrestore.com/Hardware.html

#47 3 years ago
Quoted from Mudflaps:

This thread will document my first playfield ...
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My chaotic workstation:
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This ping pong table looks par for the course for a pinball owner that can service their own..

#48 3 years ago
Quoted from trueno92:

This ping pong table looks par for the course for a pinball owner that can service their own..

The funny thing is that it came with the house. I didn’t want it. “What the hell am I going to do with this thing?” Hmmmm...

Anyway, I replaced some yellowed zip ties to mix things up. The top half of the game still needs a lot of work, but the bottom is mostly done minus the cable clamps.
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#49 3 years ago
Quoted from Mudflaps:

They’re called solder lugs. 8 for $1 on pinrestore.
https://www.pinrestore.com/Hardware.html

Thank you... and HEP

#50 3 years ago

Troubleshooting drop targets. This will likely be the bane of my existence.

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