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Fastest DMD?

By curban

1 year ago


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    #1 1 year ago

    I picked up a JM this past weekend at auction. Before that, I had played only a couple of games on one at Crabtowne USA.

    I’ve been very pleasantly surprised Yeah the glove slows the game a bit, but the ball speed around the loops can get CRAZY! I’m convinced this 90’s title gets the fastest ball speeds of any games Ive owned.

    So now wondering...whats regarded as the ‘fastest’ modern pin? What makes a pin ‘fast’
    ...ball speed? Or short ball times?

    #2 1 year ago

    F-14 Tomcat is blazing fast. When I think of fast, I think of ball speed and not short ball times. If your a top notch player you may never run into a fast pin if fast is defined as long ball times.

    #3 1 year ago

    I think JM is the fastest WPC I've played... I've played a real fast AC/DC one time, but I don't think that was normal

    #4 1 year ago
    Quoted from zacaj:

    I've played a real fast AC/DC one time, but I don't think that was normal

    Don't be so sure about that. AC/DC is normally really fast, especially if you keep the playfield waxed and clean. Makes some of the other more recent Stern machines seem really slow to me.

    #5 1 year ago

    Both AC/DC and ST are crazy fast (especially the Pro for each). However, to OP’s point, JM was surprisingly blazing fast when I got to play one.

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    #6 1 year ago

    And it matters a whole bunch for what reason exactly?

    #7 1 year ago
    Quoted from snyper2099:

    And it matters a whole bunch for what reason exactly?

    I dunno, because the fate of the world depends on it.

    It was a completely innocent question posed by OP.

    #8 1 year ago

    No Fear is a fast DMD from the 90s

    #9 1 year ago

    BSD has always been my favorite fast DMD game. Mine came with upgraded flipper coils. I kept it at 7 degrees pitch and it was screaming fast with short ball times. When you finally heard THIRTY MILLION!, you knew you earned it.

    #10 1 year ago

    #11 1 year ago

    JM is the fastest pin I’ve played.

    #13 1 year ago
    Quoted from snyper2099:

    And it matters a whole bunch for what reason exactly?

    I'm not sure it matters a "whole bunch" to me. I'd say that most of the machines I've played are about the same speed +/- a little. IMO JM was noticeably faster and provides an unexpected adrenaline rush / wow factor when you get the ball repeatedly burning around the loops...it was a nice surprise / novelty.

    Coincidently, of all the other fast games mentioned in this thread, I probably have a total of only 5 plays combined...and only on ST and ACDC. Haven't had a chance yet to play BSD, F-14, or No Fear. I will definitely put some more time in on these machines when I come across them.

    #14 1 year ago

    Of the WPC games, I would say No Fear is the fastest.

    #15 1 year ago
    Quoted from Tuukka:

    Of the WPC games, I would say No Fear is the fastest.

    Yeah, it’s like every shot goes back to the flippers. I’m is pretty flowly but idk almost have to play a Jm and nf next to each other to remember

    I agree on ST from stern, that game flows too. AC/DC has been pretty flowy but the ball gets in the pops and side to side with targets so not as flowly as ST

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    #17 1 year ago

    So you are saying that faster pinball is always better pinball? I disagree but to each their own.

    Also, any game with a cleared and waxed playfield, set at the same pitch, and some new flipper assemblies as the same title without all those things would always be faster.

    So by "fast" did you mean the speed and frequency that the ball returns back to the flipper and not the actual relative speed of the ball?
    Did you really mean to ask, "What game allows the player the most main flipper to ball interactions per second?" I would cautiously suggest Fish Tales but it’s definitely not for everyone... myself included.

    Same is true with rule depth. There are some very deep games with oh so terrible design and low fun factor.

    I understand why the question is asked quite often, I’m just trying to understand why it’s typically always perceived as a good thing.

    #18 1 year ago
    Quoted from snyper2099:

    So you are saying that faster pinball is always better pinball? I disagree but to each their own.

    Why are you here?

    #19 1 year ago

    To voice my opinion? To understand why people love pinball? Why are you here? Do you feel you have to right to tell others what to do? Voice your own opinion about pinball, don’t hate. You could actually contribute to the discussion and not just poke others, asking them to leave.

    Pinball takes up a lot of space. I like fast games too but, I would not buy a game just because it’s fast. Just an opinion. Jeez.

    I guess my take away overall was that there are a ton of things you could do to ANY pinball game to make it “faster”/smoother. Something else to consider perhaps. A lot of people put stronger flipper coils in LOTR to make it faster.

    #20 1 year ago

    I saw this thread title and misunderstood the OP's whole intent.
    I was going to post how all of the displays in my DMD games seem to have about the same response time.
    I don't think any one game has a faster dot matrix display than any other game.

    #21 1 year ago

    That’s funny. I only immediately understood the question because there is a Stern thread with the same discussion.

    #22 1 year ago
    Quoted from snyper2099:

    And it matters a whole bunch for what reason exactly?
    ...
    Do you feel you have to right to tell others what to do? Voice your own opinion about pinball, don’t hate. You could actually contribute to the discussion and not just poke others.

    #23 1 year ago
    Quoted from snyper2099:

    To voice my opinion?

    I thought it was to voice your confusion.

    The OP was just asking about other fast games, and you responded with a completely snarky response.

    He made no judgment that faster was better, only that he liked the speed. He never said it mattered a whole bunch.

    #24 1 year ago

    KISS (Stern) and Iron Man can also be extremly quick if set up how I like them.

    #25 1 year ago

    BSD... I dont know about fastest but one of the hardest for sure.

    Stern Star Wars can be as well. Iron man..

    #26 1 year ago
    Quoted from Tuukka:

    Of the WPC games, I would say No Fear is the fastest.

    That would be the correct answer. Unlike JM, NF has no pop bumpers or glove to slow it down.

    #27 1 year ago

    I like fast pins!

    Which is the fastest?

    Most of the games in my collection.

    Playball!

    #28 1 year ago

    Definatly no Johnny come lately.

    #29 1 year ago

    I will put in a vote for I500. it can get crazy fast

    #30 1 year ago

    I dont really feel Star Trek is fast. The warp shot is fast but thats it. I always felt GOT pro was pretty fast and much more exciting then ST ever.

    #31 1 year ago
    Quoted from snyper2099:

    So you are saying that faster pinball is always better pinball? I disagree but to each their own.

    A whole lot goes into making a pinball good. Faster doesn’t necessarily mean better in my opinion. I think it’s just a novelty, like a cool toy. In case of JM, it was a nice surprise. Overall, though, I think JM is about where it belongs in the rankings.

    Also...part of the reason for my question was to find out what others think “fast” means. I hear it used a lot, and I infer it to be “ball speed”. But then a couple of weeks ago I mentioned that I thought my Houdini was slow, and there was a minor uproar about Houdini not being slow...perhaps mine is setup wrong, but my Houdini has slowest ball speeds of all pins I’ve owned (but Still a good game that I’m not getting rid of).

    Anyway...glad to hear everyone’s input. I really didn’t find Snyper’s post ‘deucy’ at all - he made fair points (agree 100% on FT) and I’m glad he posted. I really just posted the topic to learn from more-experienced pinsiders and gain better understanding.

    #32 1 year ago

    ...I’m too new here to intentionally piss people off!

    #33 1 year ago

    IM is the fastest I’ve owned, and I’ve owned a lot of “fast” pins.

    Out of games I’ve owned I’d say getaway, f-14, and bksor pro were next fastest. Obviously only one of those was a dmd game.

    #34 1 year ago
    Quoted from RTS:

    I thought it was to voice your confusion.
    The OP was just asking about other fast games, and you responded with a completely snarky response.
    He made no judgment that faster was better, only that he like the speed. He never said it mattered a whole bunch.

    You are right. I regret posting that comment... Did not mean anything other than it’s not the first feature I look for when buying a game. Trust me, no one post is important enough on a site discussing pinball to anger me. I learned that 16 years ago on RGP.

    Houdini could maybe be slow because it has a flipper/power issue, maybe the pitch is off, or some other factor. I played one on location in Ashville last year and though it was fast/tight. Another example here locally when it was brand new... that one was fast too.

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