Well that's just marketing business as usual. You can't trust a salesman. You have to do your own analysis. People are bascially lazy and want someone else to do the analysis work. People who look to the seller or advertiser for help, are naive. Most ARE naive, and do what they are told by the seller or the paid reviewers. They listen to advertisements or reviews as truth, not a press release crafted by sellers and marketers.

??? What ??? It's a cheep POS HU game that will be sold at discount stores in the next 9 months.

Way different than the pro TF model.

Stern is out of their mind.

I always love the "protect the newbies" types. The newbies? HAHA, it's the collectors paying 150+ bucks for a little TV for their TZ. Hell, I just spent $20 on a magazine. A MAGAZINE.

I meant Stern is the moron............You have a complex.

I say we do a squares style football betting pool on the first one of these to show up at a goodwill or salvation army for sale under $300.

But wait! The LIST price is $4,000! $3k is the discounted price!! Doh!

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Ummm, where the hell are the flippers?

I think they must be half beneath the apron. The slings are very low.

The flippers will be coming in update 1.6 in 9 months time

I think it looks fine, and would consider it for 1~1.5 if it had a fun rule/progression/reward to how it plays.

I'm an old gamer that hates the fancy poop they call games now so have gravitated towards pinball more and more. Pinball used to be another awesome game in my collection, anymore its the only thing I consider a "game" and not connect the dots with fancy graphics.

What I do worry about is having to decide between something like this and a 7k game with stupid crap like clearcoated everything and bling all over it with an LCD needed to tell me how awesome the game I'm already playing is.

I just want to game man, could care less if the cab is shot and it's got someone's family christmas picture for a translight.

Classic

I am surprised no one has mentioned this yet... they have trademarked the word "Pin" ?????!!

Also, I wonder how much "Assembly" is required.. will this thing come in a box like a piece of furniture with maybe the playfield only assembled?

Haha I noticed that too..

Actually, the trademark registration seems to be specifically for "The Pin". They might have a problem merely trying to apply it to "Pin".

Plus, for those of you tired of "The World's Only Maker of Real Pinball Games", get ready for "Inventing the Future of Pinball". (Seriously.)

look at the second sentence i quoted..

I know, but the official registration is for "The Pin", not "Pin".

Word Mark THE PIN
Goods and Services IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G & S: Pinball machines
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 85650288
Filing Date June 13, 2012
Current Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition November 6, 2012
Owner (APPLICANT) Stern Pinball, Inc. CORPORATION ILLINOIS 2020 Janice Avenue Melrose Park ILLINOIS 60160
Attorney of Record Mark R. Galis
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

good trademark... really captures what they sell

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stern pinball blocked me from commenting and deleted my post yesterday because i stated my opinion saying for 3k keep the cheap plastic s&%t. I could by a real pin for 3000. Stern has just really made me mad. They make to many different versions for one thing they should just make one cool one and stick with that. It would save on production costs and headaches of desinging three different tables thus making a really cool machine for all and cheaper nobody really wants a pro come on but that's all some can afford its dumb. They have lost touch of pinball it feels cheap it plays cheap why is it 6000? I really only like a few stern titles the rest just overated licensed titles that's getting old and we all know it. Im not a stern hatter but they don't have to go and delete a consumers opinion and block me. Bunch of babies up there in melrose park. I may play in touneys with there games doesn't mean I care for them that's just all there is. There is gona be a renaissance in pinball and hopefully it starts with new company's making kick a$$ machines and droping sales on stern then they'll relize they need to step it up its easy to do whatever you want when your the only manufacturer of pin games for the last 13 or so years but new company's are coming and will come hopefully the industry will change. Stern titles I like to play transformers,acdc,tron,simpsons pinball party, lord of the rings,ripleys and sopranos is ok don't care for the theme though that's it though. Company's need to stay away from licenses and make some good old creative games just go wild make something fun and new but still classic feeling. Licenses are marketed to select few which is bad for bussiness see how well avatar did flop.

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Throwing in my nickel's worth. If Stern had folded a decade ago, pinball would not be where it is today. There would not be any new companies starting. Zero growth.

I just hope this product does not hurt the company too much.

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Added cost, but much more satisfaction in renting a Road Roller.

lol But you play a mean "RAGROG".

I had my comment deleted and I was blocked as well. Seems like a childish move to me. If people aren't responding well to you'r product, make adjustments on the sales side, not the buy.

Who leaves up negative comments. I can't believe what I read sometimes. FB Is a marketing tool aNd the wrong place for a concerned customer to post negative. If you are shocked they delete said post then I am shocked.

It's admirable and all that they stuck with it, but Stern staying alive and making tables when no one was doing it doesn't exclude them from criticism. There's no need to bring it up as a prologue to criticism in fear of backlash or as some use it, a defense shield against said criticism. Yah' know?

I was going to leave this alone but I think you guys are missing the point.

1) Cheap, garbage, junk, etc? No one here has played it let alone seen it in anything other than these released pictures. How about trying before hating. If you try it and think it's a piece of crap feel free to share the info. =)

2) It's obvious it wasn't meant for us. It appears to be an experiment to break into a new market outside of the collector. Will it succeed? Who knows. If 3k is really too much no one will buy it. If they do sell in any quantity a number of people here will obviously be amazed.

I'll say one thing, these threads are a nice break from the beat-to-death woz arguments.

Ha! look at the last couple of guys collections. They don't even buy the regular games. Thats the funny part. A bunch of non customers going off on a company they don't support anyway.

Looks like a cheap knock off. Nice work!

Here's a thought.. if this didn't have the name "Stern" on it, would we really care this much? I mean at the same time, maybe Stern was approached (and paid) by Hasbro to come up with this for them.. Stern's a business, if someone wants to pay you to do something for them why wouldn't you do it?

I agree, they are in it for the money. I would like to see one up close to compare.

I thought this might have more bang for the buck.

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Amazing. Criteria for having a valid point comes down to owning the machine? Just...stunning.

This community is too far ahead of its time for someone like me to appreciate its logic.

All I'm saying, is maybe the company does what it needs to do to stay afloat, yah' know? Perhaps this is one of those things.

I would say you should own the product of a company you critic. You betcha.
I don't have a Mercedes so yes, I won't go around complaining about their business practice.

Wonder if they've got someone at the ready to delete all the comments:

https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/posts/411591695557078

No we wouldn't, it's just more hate coming from the usual suspects. Even making personal comments about Stern employees. It's just sad. This is the kind of stuff I thought Pinside is trying to stop. But I haven't seen any moderators comments yet. Hopefully this will be addressed on this thread.

Personally I'm glad to see them trying to tap into the cheaper home market. I have my doubts about the success because I believe pinball is dead and it looks too expensive, but I'm glad to see them at least trying something.

It's that cheaper alternative people have been asking for but at first glance it just looks to expensive for what you are getting. Hopefully the price will be lowered and the game will actually be fun to play.

Still the usual suspects will look for negative things to say. Like this somehow effects the quality of future pins and the speed of future updates. Like we know how their business is run and we know how they should use their resources and time better than them.

I look at this as a positive thing. Stern has survived all these years when nobody has. I'd like to think they know a thing or two about building pinball machines. Something you are starting to hear from Jersey Jack now that he is seeing how hard manufacturing a pin really is. He is also getting a heavy dose of how hard it is to please everyone.

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You can speak from experience or you can speak from another place. I'll listen to the guy with experience every time.

Pappy

By not including flippers, Stern saves $20 on each unit sold, a massive $80 extra revenue! Fitting thinner, cheaper legs means players can really connect with the game, nudging the machine to keep the ball in play!

Actually I think otherwise. I think if Stern would have folded 10 years ago, other companies would have picked up the pieces and pinball would be far more interesting and innovative. The fact they were still in business may have held back people to give it a try. The fact there are now at least 4 new companies starting up I see as a result of the games put out by Stern. Thankfully there are passionate people who feel we all deserve better games and since technology improved we now may actually get to see them

Two points: This mark isn't registered. It's only been approved for publication. Also, they are using it inconsistently in their own ads, without the "The."

Really doubt it, but no way to tell.
Somebody has a timemachine we can use? Let's travel back and find out!

Haha thanks yes I can play pinball but can't complete some highscool classes atleast they let me graduate anyway. No one is to stupid to graduate and go to college I did and I have tons of learning issues. If only school were like pinball haha.

There may be an opportunity down the road for these, if the price gets to say, $500, you could stick that PF in a real cabinet, make a nice translite for it, and you'd have a pretty nice custom game for cheap.

For what it's worth: the cheap home version of Batman Dark Knight has apparently only seen a production of 48 units. 1 for a store to see if there was a demand? Iron Man classic numbers are not known in IPDB, but will this Pin see an actual production? Or will it be a small run of demonstration models only? And if so, I'm curious how collectable they will be n a few years.

the cab is 43 long normal game is 50 sp the pf is gonna be like 38-40 inches, I think a normal pf is 46

Uh.....no.

Typically, people do not start businesses when all other companies have gotten out. I mean, feel free to start producing 8-track players and tapes. That industry is wide open, ripe for new businesses to start up.

The fact they are still in business showed other people that there is money to be made by making pinball machines. Those 4 new companies would probably not exist if Stern had folded up shop.

I hope all those companies succeed, and produce great pins. I happen to like a lot of pins Stern has produced as well, and am glad they are making pins.

After you add the flippers, it will be big enough. hahaha

Haha thanks yes I can play pinball but can't complete some highscool classes atleast they let me graduate anyway. No one is to stupid to graduate and go to college I did and I have tons of learning issues. If only school were like pinball haha.