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F14 Tomcat Owners Club Fans Also Welcome.

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Post #91 Insert color list Posted by jodini (10 years ago)

Post #98 Video - Add red flashers back to light show. Posted by Patofnaud (10 years ago)

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Post #205 Speaker Panel - Early model= glue Posted by IceCreamMan (10 years ago)

Post #406 Pop bumper cap replacement. Posted by Fifty (9 years ago)

Post #466 Bulletproof - rectifier fuses Posted by Snux (9 years ago)

Post #477 Removing warming resistors Posted by Jumping-Box (9 years ago)

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#3719 5 years ago

Just want to jump in and join the club! I just picked up my F-14. I owned one several years ago, should have never sold it. Anyway, I am looking for the 3 diverter wireform ramps. Mainly Part number 12-6712, the center wireform. I have found the other 2 on Ebay, but thought I would check here first, and buy them as a set. I would also consider buying the whole set of 5 wireform ramps if you have them.
Thanks!

#3721 5 years ago

Just sent him an email. Thanks heni1977

#3722 5 years ago

Afternoon folks. Ok, on the backboard of my F-14, there are 6 flashers in a straight line, with red covers on them. What's the best way to get to those bulbs to change them? I lifted the playfield and felt behind it, and it feels like a circuit board or a cover back there. There has to be a trick to it. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris

#3724 5 years ago
Quoted from Waderade812:

It is a circuit board if it is not a prototype. The best way to get it out is to raise the playfield to the full up right position and unplug the board and remove the two fasteners. One on each side. then take the board out. My machine has wing nuts. It looks like this.
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Thank you @Waderade812, I will go check it out and see if mine is like that. Looks like a PIA to get at!

#3726 5 years ago

Ok, its like yours, with wingnuts. I'm going to tackle this Saturday, when I have daylight and time hahahahaha. When I lift the playfield all the way, there's no way I'll be able to do it. There's very little room between that board and the bottom of the cabinet when in that position. Looks like it'll be easier if I do it with the playfield at an angle. I'll need to most likely remove that little harness strap so I can pull the board away far enough to unplug it, and more importantly, be able to see when I plug it back in. Going to put LEDs back there so I don't have this issue again. (The center 2 are burned out) Going to need to use a mirror no matter what.

#3727 5 years ago

And again, thank you for your help!

#3729 5 years ago

Thanks for the tip!!!

#3731 5 years ago
Quoted from Dallas_Pin:

FYI: It will be super blinding if you go LED's back there; mine is a prototype with all white and with regular bulbs it is damn bright. The red will help it, but it will still be blinding. Double check it before you go all out!

Thanks @Dallas_Pin. That's what I'm reading, and I believe I'll stick with incandescent. Don't want to make it s miserable game.

#3733 5 years ago

Thanks @heni1977, that's an idea! Also, still looking for Part number 12-6712, the center wireform ramp for the diverter assembly. Haven't had any luck finding one yet.

#3740 5 years ago

That's pretty cool !!!

#3742 5 years ago

Good Morning. Well, I tried to replace those two flashers, and actually pulling that board like you said Waderade812 was pretty easy. Unfortunately, the bulbs are good, and the traces look good. I visually checked all the resistor boards for broken leads as suggested by GRUMPY and saw no broken leads. Can anyone tell me which resistor board(s) is for lights 03C and 04C? I read thru a lot of the posts for these flashers being out and in looking at the matrix on the 1st page of the manual, well, like any of the other matrices, they leave me scratching my head. I will try to apply the technique of jumpering the two larger resistors once I find out which board, to determine whether it's a resistor problem or a diode problem. Now, one question. Should all those resistors have continuity? If so, that would be an easy check without having to jumper and then turn the machine back on. Lastly, if I ever do decide to go LED on the flashers, I understand that I must either snip off the smaller warming resistors, on the outsides of all resistor boards, leaving the two in the center intact, OR unsolder the ground wires from all the resistor boards. If I do the un-soldering, do I un-solder the ground wires from both sides of the board? I've noticed a couple boards have the ground wires soldered on both sides. Enough for this morning, I'm at work, and won't be able to try any suggestions until tonight, so please be patient with me.
Thanks,
Chris

#3745 5 years ago

Thank you very much GRUMPY for the Matrix diagrams. I did all the lamp tests yesterday, and it does appear that all the playfield lights are working I did not see anactual flasher test, but I'm going to go thru the diagnostics again because there has to be. Currently in the backboard, there are only incandescent bulbs. Was I correct in the thought about continuity in the resistors?

#3746 5 years ago

Also, I bought a couple of these from K's Arcade this morning in preparation

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#3747 5 years ago

Ok, @grumpy , I looked at a copy of the manual and saw where the flashers on the playfield are that are tied together with the ones on the backboard and YES, those are working. I remember them working when we were playing yesterday.

#3749 5 years ago

Thank you sir. I have some work to do tonight, and I will repost in the morning how it comes out. I will do the solenoid test first, to verify the playfield flashers are actually working. Thanks again! Oh, I looked on your profile and saw you grew up in L.A. I grew up in the San Fernando Valley, in Reseda. I graduated HS in '73. Anyway, Talk to you in a bit. Thanks again!

#3750 5 years ago

Ok, well it really looks like I have my work cut out for me. In doing the somenoid test, it appears 03C is not working on the back board, or the playfield. Will check resisitor boards
04C is not working on the backboard, but IS working on the playfield. Will check for cracked solder joints, bad bulb socket or bad bulb on the back board pcb. Flasher 07C nothing anywhere, but I recall a Service Bulletin about that, will check that out. And either 9 or 10 isn't working. 2 out of the 4 flashers begind the translite arent working. Whew!

#3752 5 years ago

Thank you sir. I really appreciate your help

#3755 5 years ago
Quoted from GRUMPY:

Left out by the factory. But it can be reconnected if you want to.

Look for the flasher board with the black/orange wire, check the resistance of the larger resistor closer to the blk/org wire.

The resistor board for these 4 bulbs is behind the insert board. Follow the wire from the pair of non working bulbs to the flasher board to see which side of the board you need to test the resistor on.

Good Afternoon @GRUMPY. Took care of most of my issues. The Flasher #10 issue was a cracked solder joint. My Flasher 3c turned out to be a bad resistor and the small warming resistor next to it. Both register as open when checking with my meter. I received my new boards the other day, and will be installing them this coming week. My question is this, I have never done this before. My soldering skills aren't too awful, and I think I should be able to get thru this. But having to do this on the underside of the playfield without an extra set of hands is intimidating for my first time, without an extra couple feet of wire to get it in a more confortable position. So, is there anything wrong with soldering leads with insulated quick connects to the board while on my bench, then just removing the wires one at a time from the old board, putting connectors on those wires, then installing the new board in its place and plugging it in?
Thanks,
Chris

#3757 5 years ago

Ok, I'll give it a try. The board is brand new, with just a tiny hole where the wires are going to go, so I think I should put a small glob of solder on those holes first.

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#3766 5 years ago

Ok, so I finished my powdercoat project on my F-14. I powdercoated the side rails, lockbar, shooter rod housing, legs, and all 5 of the wireform ramps in a red white and blue patriotic theme, which goes well with the game. Since there are 5 ramps, I couldnt evenly split the red, white. and blue theme, so I took the longest ramp, on the right side which runs around the top, and powdercoated half red, half white, so the upkick ramp is powdercoated blue. The two-tone ramp color change is covered by plastics, even though its not necessary because the transition is sharp on even. So, after all that, here is my question. I bought a full set of ramps, new lockbar, side rails, and legs, so I could powdercoat these items without having a huge downtime from palying my machine. I now want to sell the originals. Do I try to sell them as a set, sell them individually, or powdercoat them exactly as I have my own, and sell them as a set, or as a set with exchange parts? What are your opinions?

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#3769 5 years ago
Quoted from heni1977:

Beautiful!
I would sell as a set. I had a partial set of plastics which I sold for a good price and helped another pinsider out! That's just how I am though. I am in it for the fun, and learning, and helping other pinheads out!

Quoted from Waderade812:

That is a cool idea. I agree with the powder coated set. You will defiantly find a buyer and maybe a trade for a fresh set. Nice work.

Ok, Thank you guys. I will powdercoat the parts and sell them as a set. I appreciate your input.

4 months later
#3900 4 years ago

Good Afternoon. I had posted an issue I was having with the 6 flashers at the back of the playfield several months ago, and with the gracious help from @Grumpy, and several others, I was able to fix them by tracking down, a couple of bad resistors, and replacing those resisitor boards. Which brings me to today. 2 quit working again, and I've determined the lamp sockets in that back circuit board are bad. I decided to replace all the sockets with new ones, so I removed them from the board then started looking for new ones. I cant find any exactly like the originals. On the originals, there was no mounting bracket, and the terminals pointed straight down and were soldered directly to the board. I was able to find the ones in the attached pictures, but Im curious what you guys who know what you're doing would do. Would you bend the terminals down, and snip them to a thinner width to fit in the holes in the board, and solder them in? Or do I need to find the correct lamp socket. Unfortunately, the originals have been tossed. Nobody has replacement boards, and I can't find a used one.

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#3903 4 years ago
Quoted from RC_like_the_cola:

Are you sure they aren't fixable? I've had lots of luck using a wire brush chucked into my drill and cleaning out old sockets to make them have good contact again.

Unfortunately, they got tossed. I left them near some things that were headed to the trash, and they got tossed. However, the fiber insulators were cracked and pieces were falling out.

#3905 4 years ago
Quoted from GRUMPY:

I'm not saying that I have tried this, but I would cut off the mounting bracket. Then I would solder on a piece of wire for each lead to the board. Then epoxy the socket to the board lining up the center pin to the hole in the board. Hold It straight until dry. Then solder the wires to the socket tabs.

That's a great idea! Thank you @Grumpy!

#3918 4 years ago
Quoted from cletus:

If all else fails, I have a spare light board. Hit me up if you think you’ll need it.

Thank you for the offer cletus , but I got her up and running! I really appreciate it though.

#3926 4 years ago
Quoted from GRUMPY:

Did the epoxy job work?

Actually @Grumpy, that's a yes and no hahahaha. I got a board from a gentleman that used to make these boards up with 906 wedge connectors mounted on the new board, with the connector relocated to the back of the board. Im doing my best to improve soldering skills and try to learn to do as much as possible, so I'm taking my original board, and am in the process of attaching the new #89 sockets on the board. Except rather than epoxy, I got a solid carbide drill, and am drilling mounting holes in the board, making sure I'm not anywhere near traces, and will ise the bracket thats on the socket. The Im going to use the idea of soldering wires to the little connections, then to the traces. He contacted me and said he had a board and I jumped on it. Whenever I get the opportunity to improve soldering skills, I'm all over it. But, I was kind of afraid to do it without a backup plan, and he had one

#3927 4 years ago

I was also a bit afraid the epoxy would get on the end of the center plunger connection, and make it immoble.

#3929 4 years ago

Absolutely! Will do!

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#4809 3 years ago
Quoted from CTHOMAS1998:

Ok, so I finished my powdercoat project on my F-14. I powdercoated the side rails, lockbar, shooter rod housing, legs, and all 5 of the wireform ramps in a red white and blue patriotic theme, which goes well with the game. Since there are 5 ramps, I couldnt evenly split the red, white. and blue theme, so I took the longest ramp, on the right side which runs around the top, and powdercoated half red, half white, so the upkick ramp is powdercoated blue. The two-tone ramp color change is covered by plastics, even though its not necessary because the transition is sharp on even. So, after all that, here is my question. I bought a full set of ramps, new lockbar, side rails, and legs, so I could powdercoat these items without having a huge downtime from palying my machine. I now want to sell the originals. Do I try to sell them as a set, sell them individually, or powdercoat them exactly as I have my own, and sell them as a set, or as a set with exchange parts? What are your opinions?
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Ok, so I follwed ya'lls advice, and powdercoated my otiginal wireform ramps red, white, and blue to match the ones on my F14. So, my question is, what should I ask, or are there any offers?

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#5028 2 years ago
Quoted from radium:

Anyone powder coat their wireforms? Maybe gloss black. What do you think? Ive seen red but think its too much.

I did mine in Red, White and Blue. Love them!

Quoted from radium:

Anyone powder coat their wireforms? Maybe gloss black. What do you think? Ive seen red but think its too much.

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#5029 2 years ago
Quoted from radium:

Anyone powder coat their wireforms? Maybe gloss black. What do you think? Ive seen red but think its too much.

I bought an extra set of ramps when mine were out being powdercoated. When mine came back. I the extra set powdercoated the same as mine because someone wanted them. Then the buyer flaked out on me. So I have an extra set.

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