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F You Weir and your NIB flipping!

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    #151 4 months ago

    Everyone is pulling this shit, but it certainly is hard to stomach such a jump on all models. 9k for a Stern premium is just offensive in my opinion, fortunately tons of used games around me to trade in and out, but I dont see NIB in my future anytime soon.

    Were all being punished for the supply chain/labor shortage, and I only wish it were limited to pinball. Ive also noticed significantly worse customer service in the past 6 months or so from banks, parts suppliers, logistics companies, etc. So in addition to inflated prices, were getting less for our money in terms of service in all industries.

    #152 4 months ago
    Quoted from Gameseum:

    If this hobby focused more on "getting what I paid for it" rather than "value" we'd have a lovely pool of games and a stagnant pricing for everything, but alas that's not the way

    Considering the source, I find this hilarious. Steven have you ever sold a game in your life for the same amount you purchased it for? Actually have you ever sold a game period?

    #153 4 months ago
    Quoted from WeirPinball:

    Where on the price curve are we?
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    #154 4 months ago

    Please tell me where your nearest community college is so I can enroll you in an economics class. If you think inflation was solely created in the last 8 months, then I have a bridge to sell you.

    #155 4 months ago
    Quoted from Palmer:

    Please tell me where your nearest community college is so I can enroll you in an economics class. If you think inflation was solely created in the last 8 months, then I have a bridge to sell you.

    It’s a global explosion of money printing combined with a global disruption of supply chains combined with a global disruption of demand norms. Perfect storm.

    Biden is just a small part of the chain.

    #156 4 months ago
    Quoted from Brtlkat:

    Sure is that's why i had new first, Same thing plenty of machines to choose from.
    https://pinside.com/pinball/market/new-games

    Are you going to post the same link every time?

    Which has 48 out of stock items on it - and none in the UK anyway.

    Completely irrelevant.

    #157 4 months ago
    Quoted from jandrea95:

    Everyone is pulling this shit, but it certainly is hard to stomach such a jump on all models. 9k for a Stern premium is just offensive in my opinion, fortunately tons of used games around me to trade in and out, but I dont see NIB in my future anytime soon.
    Were all being punished for the supply chain/labor shortage, and I only wish it were limited to pinball. Ive also noticed significantly worse customer service in the past 6 months or so from banks, parts suppliers, logistics companies, etc. So in addition to inflated prices, were getting less for our money in terms of service in all industries.

    True. Hell we had our garbage people forget to pick up half our street for like 3 weeks in a row. Haha. I guess it was new workers not knowing what they were doing or not enough workers. Not sure. But never seen that before.

    #158 4 months ago
    Quoted from WJxxxx:

    Are you going to post the same link every time?
    Which has 48 out of stock items on it - and none in the UK anyway.
    Completely irrelevant.

    Not sure why your so hurt that i pointed out that there are still NIB titles for sale and yes that's the link to NIB games.

    #159 4 months ago
    Quoted from jandrea95:

    Everyone is pulling this shit, but it certainly is hard to stomach such a jump on all models. 9k for a Stern premium is just offensive in my opinion, fortunately tons of used games around me to trade in and out, but I dont see NIB in my future anytime soon.
    Were all being punished for the supply chain/labor shortage, and I only wish it were limited to pinball. Ive also noticed significantly worse customer service in the past 6 months or so from banks, parts suppliers, logistics companies, etc. So in addition to inflated prices, were getting less for our money in terms of service in all industries.

    We've all complained about PINflation being real, but now with Inflation being real, along w/supply issues, it's a double whammy. Still these increases are probably largely artificial. What's the true cost of an LE? $3K? This is really a response to the nuttiness going on in the secondary market.

    No way I'd consider a pin over $10K unless I intended to flip it. I have a friend that works for Supreme. They expect 1/3 of every limited release to be flippers. I wouldn't think the Stern LEs to be any different, if not more.

    #160 4 months ago

    This is actually a piece of cake to fix. Just stop buying games. New, used, projects, everything. The problem is that people keep lining up and throwing their money at Stern. People are paying crazy ass prices for used games.

    Stern would be insane not to increase their prices sitting their watching people pay crazy money for games.

    #161 4 months ago

    I've been hoping, scrimping, saving, buying older routed machines and repairing/restoring, with the goal of getting my first NIB game at the beginning of next year.

    timing feels bad, man

    #162 4 months ago
    Quoted from playtwowin:

    Do you think CGC was waiting to see the response from the community on Sterns price increase? Is this one of the reasons they held Cactus Canyon? I would want nothing more then CGC being competitive with there pricing. They are a proven manufacturer with the ability to grab market share. They also have 5 games in the pipeline. Come on CGC do the right thing and lower the prices so more people can enjoy this hobby.

    I see we’ve reached the “bargaining” stage.

    Could acceptance be around the corner?!

    #163 4 months ago
    Quoted from Kkoss24:

    Nothing like playing at home ,but I do enjoy bringing my boys to locations to play a variety of pins .It does suck that it’s so bright and the volume is turned way low .I just can’t get the full effects this way but can get a basic feel for them .My 13 year old wants a Taxi and my 12 year old wants a Avatar .Go figure

    Exactly how I feel. I love playing on location because I get to play other machines that I don't own. (Although its weird that I end up playing a lot of games I already own to compare)

    #164 4 months ago
    Quoted from freeplay3:

    We were talking about you today and I said what if you passed on the LE. I guess I could slide right in...
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    This LE was probably Josh’s as he was super excited on the title.

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    #165 4 months ago
    Quoted from Spyderturbo007:

    This is actually a piece of cake to fix. Just stop buying games. New, used, projects, everything. The problem is that people keep lining up and throwing their money at Stern. People are paying crazy ass prices for used games.
    Stern would be insane not to increase their prices sitting their watching people pay crazy money for games.

    But here's the problem, Spyderturbo007, people feel entitled that they can get pinball for cheap. Wise up everybody: the price of pinball has gone up all around and there is nothing that you can do about it, other than not buying. The whining and complaining on here is nauseating. Don't like the prices? Don't buy. Got priced out? Sorry, but buying NIB or even used machines is not in the cards for you. Go find a barcade or a friend. Stern still has the cheapest NIB prices around.

    I feel really, really badly for those that have been buying machines for many years and now feel betrayed that you can not participate at the level that you used to. That is called life, and life is not fair. Pinball does not owe you anything. It is a business, and one that the price of entry is getting higher by the day. The sooner that you come to this realization the better you will be.

    I see that everybody is complaining about the prices at Banning and how they were unfair. Guess what? Somebody wanted that machine more than you and was willing to pay for it. I know that you pulled out your abacus and your spreadsheet and your Mr. Boston and now you are scratching your head and calling foul. More than likely, you are the person that tries to knock down the price on everything while selling yours at a premium.

    If you care about the prices of machines, sell your collection now and then maybe rebuy later. Or just ride it out and enjoy what you have. But for the love of Odin, stop complaining.

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    #166 4 months ago

    Imagine paying these prices for titles like Black Knight SOR,TMNT, or Munsters. It would have been a loss. Not saying they are awful but would never be worth it .

    #167 4 months ago
    Quoted from Palmer:

    Please tell me where your nearest community college is so I can enroll you in an economics class. If you think inflation was solely created in the last 8 months, then I have a bridge to sell you.

    Inflation has been here for awhile with the super low interest rates. It's just not been called inflation until recently. All politicians are for low interest rates. Taking on debt, budget deficits look a lot better in the present if interest rates are low. Long term, a disaster waiting to happen.

    #168 4 months ago
    Quoted from Viggin900:

    Not saying they are awful but would never be worth it .

    To you maybe. To a die hard Munsters fan or a TMNT geek and lets just call it a black Knight enthusiast it might be totally worth it. I'm gonna get a Godzilla pro which will be probably 9500 up here, but only cause its Godzilla. None of the games u mentioned or anything really in the last 3 years, actually make that 20 are worth that price to me. Maiden, JP maybe.

    #169 4 months ago

    I reckon Rush LE will be a hard sell at $10500.

    Certainly down here. May end up being the rarest Stern game in recent memory.

    #170 4 months ago
    Quoted from WeirPinball:

    Let's see how that works if the housing and stock markets take a dive

    Not if. When.

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    #171 4 months ago

    The games arent becoming more expensive, your dollars are becoming worthless.

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    #172 4 months ago

    2000:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/gzU8ZAOxvUE/qII_fx4klQ0J

    2001:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/3XZf_itbXjY/QI04T4Qr9UkJ

    2002:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/8CDhldb5kyw/JxQRQPIGmQwJ

    2003:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20market$20price$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/clAO0zIHHfQ/CbExiOZrldIJ

    2004:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/pXZDb-2V6Yk/GSPWq06-nWsJ

    2005:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/ACTs0HpQktA/x-C5LZAF180J

    2006:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/dBrqPnk7mkk/nQYyh65_fewJ

    2007:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20prices$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/femnxuH8a1k/oeXzsItDbOQJ

    2008:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/44iMVjwb68o/wXb8-3F9vOIJ

    2009:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/JsgTrS05pCc/8pB5t9oUqTAJ

    2010:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/hNRZGnOAZ-Y/bs8Js1M7sUAJ

    2011:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/DlcZoruS0Bo/VO_cueyPCEQJ

    2012:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-think-it-cant-happen-think-again

    2013:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-will-pop

    2014:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/this-is-not-a-rebirth-of-pinball-its-a-bubble

    2015:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-all-want-the-ass-to-drop-out-of-pinball

    2016:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/when-will-the-stern-bubble-burst

    2017:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-we-in-a-pinball-bubble

    2018:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-i-feel-pinball-prices-are-going-to-plummet

    2019:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/will-pinball-prices-come-down-

    2020:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-dropping-

    2021 (this year has been a fuggin BANNER YEAR for price bubble threads...maybe it's something in the vaccines):
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-pricing-bubble-due-to-covid-one-nine

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/similarities-with-pinball-market-amp-the-2008-housing-crash

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/next-pinball-depression-

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-to-feel-about-these-exorbitant-pinball-prices/page/2#post-6254131

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pingreed-is-a-cancer-is-there-a-cure

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-of-pinball-machines-today#post-6229413

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinflation-or-inflation

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/price-gouging

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/f-you-stern-and-your-price-increases

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-pinballs-the-beanie-baby-craze-of-the-2020s

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-have-jumped-the-shark

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    #173 4 months ago
    Quoted from chuckwurt:

    It is that. Got to get while the getting is good. They have way more demand than supply right now. They have to respond with price hikes to take advantage.

    This is a money grab and the result of not having a lot of competition out there. People decide with their wallets and this hobby is full of people with disposable incomes.

    Unfortunately the price increase is enough to make a dent, but people have this money. if you are spending 6k on a pin you also have $7K.
    Stern understand this and decided to gouge their clients base.
    Flippers will now push the bar again, people will get used to the new over MSRP of $10-11K for a premium in the used market, Stern will then increase their prices again while continuing to provide a subpar product when compared to the competition.

    If Stern made a quality product I would be ok with their price increase. This would justify it to support the company, better pay for the employees and a better company culture. I suspect this is not the case, they might expand and hire more people, but I don't think people are getting paid more.

    Cabinet quality will continue to be the worst I have seen in a pinball machine, crap decals and cheap electronics. The spike II system might cost $500 per board, but the components on these are cheap. It is an arm computer with a SD card reader. It cannot get cheaper than that.

    These new prices are ridiculous and just a money grab. It is disappointing to see this from a company that calls itself 'a lifestyle' company.

    Let's be honest, Elwin's games are well designed, but they are built around the cheapest components and toys I have ever seen in pinball, nonetheless, we continue to buy into this crap, people often repairing a NIB and being ok with it 'IT IS PART OF THE HOBBY' I hear...

    It is sad really.

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    #174 4 months ago
    Quoted from Pin_Fandango:

    It is sad really.

    millions dead from a virus

    horrible floods and hurricanes killing people and causing untold damage

    earthquakes in Haiti

    fires out of control

    pinball prices up a bit causing slight distress for people who have way too much money

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    #175 4 months ago
    Quoted from Pin_Fandango:

    It is sad really.

    If you think this is sad, count your blessings. You’re a very lucky person.

    #176 4 months ago

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. A new Stern Pro is not $7000 and a new Stern Premium is not $9000. I feel like I’m well off and I can’t afford that. A new Stern Pro is about $800 and a new premium about $1200 thanks to the price increases. This is steep, but doable. How many people here are buying every new Stern and never rotating out their pins? That’s EXPENSIVE! If you are selling your AIQ, IM, or JP Premium to fund the new Godzilla game because Elwin is the bomb, how much out of pocket is it really? You can only enjoy so many games. Let some go if you haven’t turned them on in a while and get something new. I promise there are tons of buyers eager for our pin. Let it go to a new home of someone who will play it until its down to bare wood (which might not take that long with JJP).

    #177 4 months ago
    Quoted from Viggin900:

    Imagine paying these prices for titles like Black Knight SOR,TMNT, or Munsters. It would have been a loss. Not saying they are awful but would never be worth it .

    No need to imagine, after 1/1 if you want one NIB that's exactly what you'd be doing. $7,000 for a LZ Pro in 3 months. Thing looks and plays like it's worth $700.

    #178 4 months ago
    Quoted from jandrea95:

    Everyone is pulling this shit, but it certainly is hard to stomach such a jump on all models. 9k for a Stern premium is just offensive in my opinion, fortunately tons of used games around me to trade in and out, but I dont see NIB in my future anytime soon.
    Were all being punished for the supply chain/labor shortage, and I only wish it were limited to pinball. Ive also noticed significantly worse customer service in the past 6 months or so from banks, parts suppliers, logistics companies, etc. So in addition to inflated prices, were getting less for our money in terms of service in all industries.

    What did you pay for Elvira?

    #179 4 months ago

    I recently put a playfield protector on my Mando, main playfield and mini playfield. I put carbon fiber, silicone and metal washers under posts where applicable, Mylar in the shooter lane, drain hole area and apron edge contact point to the playfield. I installed anti-rattle tape on the glass, and Cliffys all around. Before a single ball got played. Why? Because of the great experienced advice of Pinsiders who mentioned, playfield post pooling and playfield dimples and ball guide contact cracking clear and shooter lane wear, to watch out for that essentially. It's a ton of work to try to bullet-proof a machine but I kind of enjoy that aspect of pin ownership.

    Maybe there is an opportunity to have your machine gone over like that by a 3rd party service if a pin owner does not want to do that themselves. Maybe Stern could start offering a main playfield protector option from the factory. (Doubt they'd do that though). They did however, factory install a PETG playfield protector under the mini playfield.

    My reason for mentioning this is that I got to experience the Mando pin from a component feature level when dis-assembling and re-assembling it to install the playfield protectors. As an engineer myself, I was impressed with the elegant engineering simplicity of the mechs on this machine, mini playfield, up down scoop etc. I cannot speak for the quality of electronic components, but overall I am very impressed with Stern's Mando build quality, mainly because I tried to address the specific issues with Mando based on Pinsiders awesome advice before I played it. I do agree that the decals need to be more robust, maybe rad cals? Owners can't do much about that, or maybe they can, I just have never replaced cab decals before. Lots of machines incurred shipping gouges and dings in the decals. I realize that Stern has has cab issues in the past and they have seemed to solve that going back to inside corner brackets. They factory installed a foundry scoop metal protector on Mando and Mylar in between the pops and wireform and ramp drops and under ramp flaps. They factory installed a PETG playfield protector under the mini playfield for ball drops there as well. The cab bottom is plywood now not MDF. Stern has improved in some ways for sure. I agree, they have to to justify such major price increases with improvements like this. I like the option of QR/Insider Connected not a standard feature QR that might increase the general price if that is the case for people not interested in it.

    #180 4 months ago

    Customers are going to become more selective due to the price increases. Instead of buying multiple games per year maybe it's 1 every few years and only when it's a dream theme. Godzilla Premium and LE look loaded and at $7500 I would consider one. At $9k though for a premium? Hell no, not even if the street price is $8700, that's just insane from what were already insane prices to begin with for a pinball machine of all things. I just paid $9,500 for a NIB GNR LE, paying $500 less for a Stern premium is crazy.

    Pinsiders have been saying for years "Well, if you can afford a $7k pin then you can afford an $8k pin for years" type comments. When does that stop working? For many of us it's here. It's not a question of if a game is fun or not but what you are getting for your money and the value simply isn't there at these outrageous prices in my opinion.

    Also, people keep saying "Everything is up, goods are up 15%" as a way to justify the price increases. Well for many middle class families wages are not up. If a family made $100k a year in 2019 they are likely only making a bit more in 2021. Where's the 15% increase in wages for the middle class if everything else went up by the same amount? There isn't one. That family that may have once bought a NIB pin every so often is now paying 15% more for everything else and as a result a $7k - $10.5k pinball machine may now be one of the last things on their minds to buy.

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    #181 4 months ago
    Quoted from Palmer:

    Please tell me where your nearest community college is so I can enroll you in an economics class. If you think inflation was solely created in the last 8 months, then I have a bridge to sell you.

    Not solely created in last 8 months,
    but as a business owner, we have seen the most dramatic impact in the last 8 months out of our 20 years in business
    - Price increases from just about all vendors - some multiple increases from same vendors
    - difficulty getting product
    - increase in shipping costs and time
    - wage increases ....

    #182 4 months ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    Customers are going to become more selective due to the price increases. Instead of buying multiple games per year maybe it's 1 every few years and only when it's a dream theme. Godzilla Premium and LE look loaded and at $7500 I would consider one. At $9k though for a premium? Hell no, not even if the street price is $8700, that's just insane from what were already insane prices to begin with for a pinball machine of all things.
    Pinsiders have been saying "Well, if you can afford a $7k pin then you can afford an $8k pin for years" type comments. When does that stop working? For many of us it's here. It's not a question of if a game is fun or not but what you are getting for your money and the value simply isn't there at these outrageous prices in my opinion.
    Also, people keep saying "Everything is up, goods are up 15%" as a way to justify the price increases. Well for many middle class families wages are not up. If a family made $100k a year in 2019 they are likely only making a bit more in 2021. Where's the 15% increase in wages for the middle class if everything else went up by the same amount? There isn't one. That family that may have once bought a NIB pin every so often is now paying 15% more for everything else and as a result a $7k - $10.5k pinball machine may now be one of the last things on their minds.

    Every game is thousands of peoples’ “dream theme,” that’s the whole point.

    So remind me again how this will mean fewer pinball buyers?

    #183 4 months ago

    Let’s not put this all on Stern. Pins have been increasing in demand over the last 10 years both new and used. JJP entered the business and were already priced higher than Stern. Stern has tried to be competitive on prices with minimal increases. This is the first BIG price increase we have seen by Stern. They are a business and the goal is to make money. This is not rocket science but simple economics…when demand exceeds supply prices go up. When supply exceeds demand prices go down. Prices are only going to go down when people quit buying. I have said this for years now…..quit buying these overpriced games if you don’t like the price. Don’t buy into FOMO….there will always be another game. And remember people buy for different reasons….there are a HUGE number of people that just want a game or two for the house. There are businesses that need games for locations. There are collectors that need every title. And Pinside is a small fraction of buyers…..there is a whole world of people outside of here. There was a time when the buyers market was small and games were plentiful and cheap….that time is gone for now. Also know that at that time no one knew these games would jump in value to today’s prices. We live in an instant gratification society…..FOMO is a hell of a drug. You see it with all the whining from people that can’t get an LE because they are sold out day one when released.

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    #184 4 months ago

    I can see and share the negativity towards price increases.
    If you asked me last year, till yesterday, I would have shared, "No NIB for me, Prices are way to high!"
    and I would join in on the Bitchin more.
    But I just love what I see in Godzilla, and rationalized it this way.
    In 2014 I paid $5900 for TWD Premium with a Topper. I sold the Topper for $1K a couple years ago.
    With a couple Mods, Im left with $5K into this Game. I played it for 7 YEARS!
    Now, with a little work, I believe Ill be trading it towards a Godzilla Premium, with a bit over $1K on my side.

    7 years of Play for around $150 year! Total Cost, Mods, Electric, Parts is $15 a month to enjoy the Game!

    I swore That TWD was too Expensive to Justify! Now its proven a great Deal, to have owned.

    What will happen next with these higher prices? Can I enjoy the game for a year and lose $75 a month to rent and Enjoy?
    Would you Lease a NIB Premium for $75 a Month?

    #185 4 months ago
    Quoted from Pickle:

    We live in an instant gratification society…..FOMO is a hell of a drug. You see it with all the whining from people that can’t get an LE because they are sold out day one when released.

    IMO social media has increased the need for "keeping up with the Joneses" when people see what other people have and they do not. Current politics is based on feeding that FOMO, take from others, they do not deserve what they have. But truthfully, most people work hard for what they have, pin owners are no different. The world is a very competitive place, competitive for jobs, finding a mate, finding and affording a home, higher education and apparently buying a Stern LE.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeping_up_with_the_Joneses

    #186 4 months ago
    Quoted from sataneatscheese:

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. A new Stern Pro is not $7000 and a new Stern Premium is not $9000. I feel like I’m well off and I can’t afford that. A new Stern Pro is about $800 and a new premium about $1200 thanks to the price increases. This is steep, but doable. How many people here are buying every new Stern and never rotating out their pins? That’s EXPENSIVE! If you are selling your AIQ, IM, or JP Premium to fund the new Godzilla game because Elwin is the bomb, how much out of pocket is it really? You can only enjoy so many games. Let some go if you haven’t turned them on in a while and get something new. I promise there are tons of buyers eager for our pin. Let it go to a new home of someone who will play it until its down to bare wood (which might not take that long with JJP).

    I would posit that most people on here do not follow your approach. You rotate games a bunch so for you, the price is essentially a lease. I would say most people are buying the games and only rotating when they run out of space. I actually like your approach better.

    #187 4 months ago

    I am not sure I understand what your comparison Panzer….a JJP LE is the equivalent of a Stern Premium…..So a JJP LE which would be a Stern premium still costs more. I get that a JJP game may have more features but regardless it’s a tiered model structure from both manufacturers and Stern has closed the price gap between them.

    Let’s see if JJP raises prices again….if the market bears it then it’s just a matter of time.

    Either way I think most of us can simply agree the price of games is just getting too high…at least to buy/collect as it was years ago.

    #188 4 months ago
    Quoted from PanzerFreak:

    I just paid $9,500 for a NIB GNR LE, paying $500 less for a Stern premium is crazy.

    You conveniently forget that shortly after release JJP raised the prices of a NIB GNR LE to 10,500.

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    #189 4 months ago
    Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

    Not solely created in last 9 months,
    but as a business owner, we have seen the most dramatic impact in the last 8 months out of our 20 years in business
    - Price increases from just about all vendors - some multiple increases from same vendors
    - difficulty getting product
    - increase in shipping costs and time
    - wage increases ....

    Absolutely. I was just challenging the thought that inflation rose as a direct result of a change in leadership. This has been a long time coming, spanning multiple terms. Each one kicking the can down the road. I can't even imagine the challenges of being a business owner... especially in the last 18 months.

    #190 4 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    2000:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/gzU8ZAOxvUE/qII_fx4klQ0J
    2001:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/3XZf_itbXjY/QI04T4Qr9UkJ
    2002:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/8CDhldb5kyw/JxQRQPIGmQwJ
    2003:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20market$20price$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/clAO0zIHHfQ/CbExiOZrldIJ
    2004:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20decrease%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/pXZDb-2V6Yk/GSPWq06-nWsJ
    2005:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/ACTs0HpQktA/x-C5LZAF180J
    2006:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20price$20bubble%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/dBrqPnk7mkk/nQYyh65_fewJ
    2007:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pinball$20prices$20fall%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/femnxuH8a1k/oeXzsItDbOQJ
    2008:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/44iMVjwb68o/wXb8-3F9vOIJ
    2009:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/JsgTrS05pCc/8pB5t9oUqTAJ
    2010:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/pricing$20market%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/hNRZGnOAZ-Y/bs8Js1M7sUAJ
    2011:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rec.games.pinball/high$20prices$20market$20collapse%7Csort:date/rec.games.pinball/DlcZoruS0Bo/VO_cueyPCEQJ
    2012:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-think-it-cant-happen-think-again
    2013:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-price-bubble-will-pop
    2014:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/this-is-not-a-rebirth-of-pinball-its-a-bubble
    2015:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-all-want-the-ass-to-drop-out-of-pinball
    2016:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/when-will-the-stern-bubble-burst
    2017:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-we-in-a-pinball-bubble
    2018:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/why-i-feel-pinball-prices-are-going-to-plummet
    2019:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/will-pinball-prices-come-down-
    2020:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-dropping-
    2021 (this year has been a fuggin BANNER YEAR for price bubble threads...maybe it's something in the vaccines):
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-pricing-bubble-due-to-covid-one-nine
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/similarities-with-pinball-market-amp-the-2008-housing-crash
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/next-pinball-depression-
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-to-feel-about-these-exorbitant-pinball-prices/page/2#post-6254131
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pingreed-is-a-cancer-is-there-a-cure
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/prices-of-pinball-machines-today#post-6229413
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinflation-or-inflation
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/price-gouging
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/f-you-stern-and-your-price-increases
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/are-pinballs-the-beanie-baby-craze-of-the-2020s
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/we-have-jumped-the-shark

    This just needs to be a sticky somewhere that is one link to avoid forum blow out. You are like the Jim Cramer of Pinside Levi.

    #191 4 months ago

    I've got my order in for a JP Premium and an Elvira HOH Premium. If the prices changes significantly from what I was originally quoted, I will probably cancel both. I can only justify spending so much on pinballs.

    #192 4 months ago

    n/m

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    #193 4 months ago
    Quoted from Palmer:

    This just needs to be a sticky somewhere that is one link to avoid forum blow out. You are like the Jim Cramer of Pinside Levi.

    I generally just catalogue one price bubble thread per year for posterity’s sake, but 2021 has been absolutely insane.

    I don’t understand why everybody is freaking out so much, it’s making this hobby an extremely weird place.

    A hobby is supposed to be fun. If pinball prices are making you miserable, find a new, less stressful hobby that you can enjoy.

    #194 4 months ago

    An estimate 35% of all US dollars were "printed" in the last year. Inflation is real, and it's definitely more than 5%. The government is incentivized to keep the official number low and plays all types of dirty tricks to do so.

    Stern's price increase is just part of what we're seeing for all goods and services now.

    Buy Bitcoin

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    #195 4 months ago

    A NIB Metallica Pro at $5k now seems like a bargain compared to current prices! I don't even consider NIB games now as I couldn't come close to justifying the current prices even if I could afford it. More power to the people with money to burn picking these up, but I'm not in that boat.

    #196 4 months ago
    Quoted from nicoy3k:

    What did you pay for Elvira?

    7600 nib

    #197 4 months ago
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    #198 4 months ago
    Quoted from snakesnsparklers:

    A NIB Metallica Pro at $5k now seems like a bargain compared to current prices! I don't even consider NIB games now as I couldn't come close to justifying the current prices even if I could afford it. More power to the people with money to burn picking these up, but I'm not in that boat.

    My nib MET pro was 4500 delivered.
    My business has had to raise prices almost 40% on our products and about 20% on labor since the start of 2021. Mostly due to steel prices and supply issues on some components.
    Stern has to deal with this as well and I'm not surprised prices are up.

    Prices will go up again, maybe even for the next title announced

    #199 4 months ago
    Quoted from DBLM:

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    Lol.

    #200 4 months ago
    Quoted from Palmer:

    You conveniently forget that shortly after release JJP raised the prices of a NIB GNR LE to 10,500.
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    Yes, and I wouldn't have bought a NIB GNR LE at $10,500 either. I started buying NIB pins when they were around $6k for a premium and the old "Well, you can afford $1k more" mindset has long worn off. Yes I could afford it but I'm not paying these insane prices for a pinball machine of all things. At some point enough is enough when it comes to price increases.

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