(Topic ID: 236003)

F-14 Tomcat upper diverter not firing - Rottendog CPU complications

By Deadcatch

5 years ago



Topic Stats

  • 7 posts
  • 3 Pinsiders participating
  • Latest reply 4 years ago by Deadcatch
  • No one calls this topic a favorite

You

Linked Games

Topic Gallery

View topic image gallery

3-s2.0-B9780750645829500111-f10-23-9780750645829 (resized).png
MPU011C.pdf (PDF preview)

You're currently viewing posts by Pinsider wayout440.
Click here to go back to viewing the entire thread.

#2 5 years ago
Quoted from Deadcatch:

Both diverter coils are AE-26-1500 but the manual says they should be AL-26-1500. Does this matter?

Electrically this doesn't matter, the prefix indicates the mounting position of the terminal lugs, as viewed from the coil's round end, with the lugs pointing away from you: AE- means that the coils's two lugs are mounted in the two end positions: AL- means that the coil's lugs are mounted in the left and middle positions: AR- means that the coil's lugs are mounted in the middle and right positions.

Quoted from Deadcatch:

Put a piece of padding to insulate lower coil from upper coil

Not sure what you mean. more info?

Quoted from Deadcatch:

tested dc on the lugs in coil test for upper diverter and voltage did jump (can't remember the voltages rn)

Voltage jumped?? there should be constant solenoid voltage at the terminals all the time when the game is on. The voltage drops momentarily when the coil fires.

Quoted from Deadcatch:

Continuity test from the right pin of the transistors q77, q12, q13 to ground and all beeped. No beeps from any of the other pins going to ground. (is this an adequate test of transistors?)

This is not how you test the transistors. Improper testing can lead you down the wrong path. Read the repair docs....at least this section but reading and understanding the entire document is desired.
http://techniek.flipperwinkel.nl/wms11/index1.htm#trans

Quoted from Deadcatch:

Problem:
Can't find U50 on the MPU011a (any idea where it is?) as many other posts pointed to this as a possible problem.
Any insight or possible ideas? I am totally new to pin repair and the Rottendog MPU complicates things for me because most posts refer to the sys 11 original board.

U50 is a 7402 is a DIP-14 located very close to the K1 relay. I cannot say if this your problem, proceed slowly and do/learn what should happen on a correctly functioning board and perform some more troubleshooting. The Rottendog MPU is supposedly based on the original schematics with the same designators, so it shouldn't vary drastically from that standpoint.

#4 5 years ago
Quoted from Brtlkat:

Did you test the fuses?
There is a single fuse mounted in backbox for diverter and a few other coils.

Always good to check fuses, but that is not the case here. There is not a separate fuse for each diverter, and according to the ops first post, one works but the other doesn't. Power is daisy chained so simply use a voltmeter to check for the presence of solenoid voltage at each diverter. If one doesn't have voltage, most likely a broken wire or solder connection - either at the failed diverter solenoid or upstream from it.

3 months later
#6 4 years ago

You really can't assume anything, and a "shotgun" approach - just replacing the chip - is no guarantee. You could get lucky, but its just a best guess. There's other components within this circuit such as the pullup resistor off U11, etc.. If you troubleshoot first, you gain information that can better ensure you locate the problem. Use a logic probe, DMM or oscilloscope to trace the momentary pulse that operates this circuit. Usually this is done in coil test mode. You have identical circuits that behave the same way for each transistor to compare one to the next. U11 is a tri-state inverting buffer, so you can look at the inputs in this matter, rule out an upstream problem or not, and proceed to the output side.

3-s2.0-B9780750645829500111-f10-23-9780750645829 (resized).png3-s2.0-B9780750645829500111-f10-23-9780750645829 (resized).png
Promoted items from Pinside Marketplace and Pinside Shops!
$ 54.99
Cabinet - Shooter Rods
Lighted Pinball Mods
 
$ 65.00
Boards
Pinball Haus
 
Wanted
Machine - Wanted
Fort Lauderdale, FL
$ 25.00
Playfield - Decals
Pinball Invasion
 
$ 1.00
Pinball Machine
Pinball Alley
 
$ 35.00
Cabinet - Other
Rocket City Pinball
 
$ 18.00
Electronics
Yorktown Arcade Supply
 
From: $ 100.00
Cabinet - Shooter Rods
Super Skill Shot Shop
 
$ 95.00
Cabinet - Sound/Speakers
Pinball Mod Co.
 
$ 10.00
Playfield - Protection
UpKick Pinball
 
$ 2.50
Lighting - Led
Pinballrom
 
$ 65.00
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
arcade-cabinets.com
 
$ 18.95
Eproms
Pinballrom
 
$ 19.99
Eproms
Matt's Basement Arcade
 
5,000 (Firm)
Machine - For Sale
Vandalia, OH
$ 170.00
Displays
Digipinball Shop
 
$ 5.00
Playfield - Decals
Metal-Mods
 
$ 69.00
Gameroom - Decorations
Pinball Pimp
 
$ 39.99
Eproms
Matt's Basement Arcade
 
$ 36.95
Eproms
Pinballrom
 
Hey modders!
Your shop name here

You're currently viewing posts by Pinsider wayout440.
Click here to go back to viewing the entire thread.

Reply

Wanna join the discussion? Please sign in to reply to this topic.

Hey there! Welcome to Pinside!

Donate to Pinside

Great to see you're enjoying Pinside! Did you know Pinside is able to run without any 3rd-party banners or ads, thanks to the support from our visitors? Please consider a donation to Pinside and get anext to your username to show for it! Or better yet, subscribe to Pinside+!


This page was printed from https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/f-14-tomcat-upper-diverter-not-firing-rottendog-cpu-complications?tu=wayout440 and we tried optimising it for printing. Some page elements may have been deliberately hidden.

Scan the QR code on the left to jump to the URL this document was printed from.