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F-14 resto


By heni1977

3 years ago



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#101 2 years ago

Since it is pretty much original should I go ahead and rebuild the power supply! And is there a kit?

#102 2 years ago

Do you do board work? Big daddy's has a cap kit, but you will still need other parts too.

#103 2 years ago

I feel pretty confident on caps and transistors, a little worried on resistors but I leave ic chips alone!

#104 2 years ago

Any testing I leave the pros as well!
Was thinking about reading up on oscilloscopes. I think that’s the right word.

#105 2 years ago
Quoted from GRUMPY:

Do you do board work? Big daddy's has a cap kit, but you will still need other parts too.

What "other" parts are typically recommended? I rebuilt my power supply with the BigDaddy cap kit. I'm ready to bulletproof and upgrade further.

I'm running a few laps behind heni1977 with my F-14 teardown and rebuild. I may start a restoration thread after this one wraps up.

#106 2 years ago
Quoted from cletus:

What "other" parts are typically recommended?

BR1, D1 thru D6, IC1, Q-5, R1, R4, R13 and J-8 GI connector.
If you leave the game on for 12 hours a day then change ZR2 and ZR4 to the 90 volt version.

#107 2 years ago

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#108 2 years ago
Quoted from GRUMPY:

BR1, D1 thru D6, IC1, Q-5, R1, R4, R13 and J-8 GI connector.
If you leave the game on for 12 hours a day then change ZR2 and ZR4 to the 90 volt version.

Haha. Wow. So pretty much everything?

#109 2 years ago

I left out the kitchen sink.

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#110 1 year ago

Rebuilt power supply is reinstalled. I have GI but no sound or display. +5 volt light is on as well as PIA.
Any suggestions?

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#111 1 year ago

Start with removing all the connectors to the p/s except the 2 rectangle one on the bottom.

#112 1 year ago

Power on pin and test the following TP1 (left of cement resistor) 5 volt. TP3 12.6 volts TP4 -14.5 volts F-2 fuse both sides 34 volts F-3 fuse both sides @18 volt F-4 fuse both side 34 volts J5 pin 3 -100 volts J5 pin 4 100 volts J5 pin 6 5 volts.

#113 1 year ago

Should be able to do the testing today. I have never done this type of testing yet. Any suggestions Grumpy on info?

#114 1 year ago

I was in the same boat as you (new to diagnosing these problems). Grumpy was an invaluable help, so I'll copy/paste his advice to me for how to test the voltages:

"Use a DMM to test the DC outputs. Set DMM to DC 200 volts and stick black lead under the ground braid and use the red lead for testing."

I've put red boxes around the test points. Test point 1(TP1) is in the top box, and test points 2-4 are in the bottom box. The orange box has the two connectors to leave connected. I'm not sure which fuse is which, but you may have a fuse chart in the head that will show you which fuses are F2, F3, and F4.

Good luck!

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#115 1 year ago

That will help a lot Thank You!
I can look up the fuse chart in IPDB and get the manual there.
I am trying to document as much as possible for others to use. And hopefully they won’t make the same mistakes I have.

#116 1 year ago

Going to list this as i test, TP (test point)
TP1 5.062V
TP3 14.60V
TP4 -14.94V
Fuse 2 42.49V both sides
Fuse 3 19.66V both sides
Fuse 4 42.46V both sides
J5 Pin 3 -103.5
J5 Pin 4 104.6
J5 pin 6 5.062V

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#118 1 year ago

Man your pics are almost as good as zaza's pics. I wish I could make those nice boxes, very helpful!

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#119 1 year ago
Quoted from heni1977:

Going to list this as i test, TP (test point)
TP1 5.062V
TP3 14.60V
TP4 -14.94V
Fuse 2 42.49V both sides
Fuse 3 19.66V both sides
Fuse 4 42.46V both sides
J5 Pin 3 -103.5
J5 Pin 4 104.6
J5 pin 6 5.062V

Well your power supply is perfect.
Reconnect every thing on the power supply and disconnect the sound board power wire and ribbon cable (11J3, 11J4).
Also disconnect every connector on the cpu except 1J17. Turn on the power and see what the 3 leds are doing now.

#120 1 year ago
Quoted from heni1977:

And hopefully they won’t make the same mistakes I have.

You haven't made a mistake that I have seen yet. Unlucky maybe, when the power supply blows up most of the time nothing else happens. Puffdanny had the same thing happen to the power supply on his WW and when the CPU locked up it also locked on a bunch of coils until the fuses burnt. When it was all over he needed the p/s rebuilt, new transistors and diodes on the aux p/s and CPU and a new coil.

#121 1 year ago

+5V and PIA light still on. No blinking just solid.

#122 1 year ago

Any plans to Retrobrite the "clear" dome?

#123 1 year ago
Quoted from GRUMPY:

Man your pics are almost as good as zaza's pics. I wish I could make those nice boxes, very helpful!

Thanks! The boxes are pretty simple. You can even do them using Microsoft Paint.

#124 1 year ago

Not real sure about dome yet. Might leave it the way it is, might not. Just have not put that much thought into the domes yet.

#125 1 year ago
Quoted from heni1977:

+5V and PIA light still on. No blinking just solid.

Take a good pic of the CPU board. I am not very familiar with RD boards, do they have test switches on the CPU same as Williams boards. It looks as if the CPU is not booting, but I'm not sure what the PIA led is (is it the same as Williams diagnostics) for. I have been lucky so far and still have all original boards in my pins. Was there any manual with the board. I will look for some schematics for this board and see if I can figure it out from them.

#126 1 year ago

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#127 1 year ago

I bought the board at expo in Chicago along with the display in 2016. It did work for a couple minutes before fuses went out of P/S

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#128 1 year ago

Been a little over a year now and still going! Just want to say Thank You and Merry Christmas to you and yours! For all the Help, likes, and follows from Pinside!
And this looked cool!

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#129 1 year ago

For electronics troubleshooting, I would check the drive transistors if any are shorted 0 ohms. Also I would check the diodes across the coils, they also blow shorted.

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#130 1 year ago

Short update for those watching this thread. I have run into a space issue with having to work inside due to not having a heated garage. So to remedy this I have been updating the garage with a 220 heater and insulating ceiling. I still have to do the floor as the garage has a storage space below it and the floor radiates cold air. When they built garage they used 2 by 12s and sheeting instead of putting in a concrete floor. So needless to say once i have completed the floor I will be able to heat my garage/ shed. I am also installing a man door since it does not have one. Which will have to be only 6ft tall. Oh man, I truly never understand why people build things the way they do sometimes!!!

#131 1 year ago
Quoted from heni1977:

Oh man, I truly never understand why people build things the way they do sometimes!!!

I completely agree !!

#132 1 year ago

It is funny, what makes sense today seems silly tomorrow. That, or people just get lazy.

My garage isn't insulated either, it's driving me crazy.

#133 1 year ago

To the OP:

Are you sure you have not flipped over the ribbon cable that goes to the display on one end? I thought that cable should have stayed with the red trace on the right side of your display when in its vertical position. Someone please correct me if I am wrong because I have my rottendog display out for repair right now after having board repairs done that caused an over voltage situation and probably damaged my board. Unfortunately I did not take a picture of that cable before taking things apart and when I reassembled it with the trace on the right side of both plugs I still had display issues similar to before I started doing the repairs. I would love to know that I have it 100% correct when I reinstall it after the repair.

I am referring to the pic in post #65

#134 1 year ago
Quoted from playernumber4:

Are you sure you have not flipped over the ribbon cable that goes to the display on one end?

I am pretty positive I had the ribbon on correctly as it worked fine for about 5 minutes. Then everything went bad, fuses popped and sound was gone. I had the power supply rebuilt and hooked everything back up properly but still had no sound and no display. Boards are out for repair/check to make sure they are ok, so i can not check at this moment. But when i get them back and hooked up I will post on the findings.

#135 1 year ago

Proper orientation of the display cable is like this on the MPU board with the ribbon pointing towards the top from the connector:

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#136 1 year ago

Having the ribbon cable reversed would only have garbled the 2 top displays and not caused any damage to any boards. I hope you get your board back soon so progress can resume as this is one of my favorite threads.

#137 1 year ago
Quoted from slapnuts77:

Proper orientation of the display cable is like this on the MPU board with the ribbon pointing towards the top from the connector:

What about on the display? Does the red tracer go on the right side also or to the left as in the other pic? I would like to see more than one opinion on this so I do not damage anything. Thanks guys.

#138 1 year ago

You will be happy to know Grumpy, I have finished insulation on my garage and now have 220 heater in it. Picking up exterior door toady and will be trimming it in. Unfortunately who ever built the garage did not make it tall enough for a standard 80 inch door, so i will be cutting it down to 74. No worries I am not that tall any way! LOL
This will be safer for clearing and keeping the garage heated during the winter.

#139 1 year ago
Quoted from playernumber4:

What about on the display? Does the red tracer go on the right side also or to the left as in the other pic? I would like to see more than one opinion on this so I do not damage anything. Thanks guys.

I just found a pic from an archived one for sale that showed the red trace on the ribbon cable to be on the right side at both ends.

#140 1 year ago

Sorry I should have provided a pic showing the cable on both ends, here's the other end showing the ribbon cable on the display itself.

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#142 1 year ago
Quoted from heni1977:

I would rather be working on pinball machine. Then doing this!!!!!

This is my line of work. I hope you went back with Felt and Ice & Water Shield under the shingles.

#143 1 year ago
Quoted from bbhenry2000:

This is my line of work.

You can have it! LOL My buddy has a roofing biz and I worked for him on the weekends as a side job for many years. This was my dads little shed and it needed tear off and replaced. Can you believe the person who built it did not put any felt underneath!!! Well I replaced a bunch of decking and slapped 30 pound felt down, and we went with 3 tab from menards.

#144 1 year ago

Slapnuts you are correct. I spoke to rottendog and they said the red trace of the ribbon is on the right side of the mainboard, and on the left side of the display. He said if its wired up backwords the top row of displays is jibberish and the bottom row is fine.

Thank you.

#145 1 year ago

Garage door installed! Heat is now running and operates perfectly.
Got boards back today and we are back in business. Everything is operating other than the beacons. Grumpy???
And yes I know the pf is not in!!!

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#146 1 year ago

That's great, you just raised the value of your property. Now the tax man is gunning for you. No reason that the beacons can't work like this. So in coil test for beacons do you hear a relay in the backbox clicking?

#147 1 year ago

Will do that this evening! They are not activating in attract mode so that makes me think relay is bad. Beacons are on in diagnostics, and fuse is good!

#148 1 year ago

Definitely clicking in the relay during dome test! I am guessing bad relay?

#149 1 year ago

You should check the 4 pin connector before the relay and fuse and see if you have 30 AC on the pair of white/blue wires. This should be powered any time the power is on. Then test the fuse. If both of these are good then remove the relay and look for cracked solder joints on the bottom of the board.

#150 1 year ago

Ok I am satisfied with garage enough to move out of the house. And give the Wife her work out room.
Did not realize how much Pinball stuff I have accumulated!

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