If you own the game it might be easiest to just hook your mic port up and record them. Otherwise you can use pinmame to do it right on your computer, but sometimes it doesn't sound quite the same.
Quoted from Deez:I think pinball browser will play the sounds from a game.
I don't think it works on games that old? DCS at least we don't know how to encode the format at all
Quoted from Deez:I thought it played the sounds, but can't replace them?
Hmm maybe. Worth a look for sure
OK, getting somewhere.
Another question - are these sound bytes (ha ha) licensed or ? Could you use them in Xmas ornaments you sold on Pinside, for example?
Quoted from mcbPalisade:Also found them all at pinsound.org for AFM anyway.
Are these "free use" sounds?
No. Rick will be happy to point that out to you.
Quoted from mcbPalisade:OK, getting somewhere.
Another question - are these sound bytes (ha ha) licensed or ? Could you use them in Xmas ornaments you sold on Pinside, for example?
Why not sell a blank ornament that's easily user programmed?
Quoted from snakesnsparklers:No. Rick will be happy to point that out to you.
How can I ask "Rick" about this? Not familiar with any Ricks.
Quoted from dudah:Why not sell a blank ornament that's easily user programmed?
Anything technical required from an average user base will hurt sales IMHO. People want plug & play
Quoted from mcbPalisade:How can I ask "Rick" about this? Not familiar with any Ricks.
www.planetarypinball.com
Quoted from mcbPalisade:How can I ask "Rick" about this? Not familiar with any Ricks.
Or pm him PPS
Quoted from mcbPalisade:Seems like any patent or IP rights would have expired by now. Isn't it 17 years?
That's a great conversation to have with someone who knows what they are talking about, like your favorite copyright attorney.
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:That's a great conversation to have with someone who knows what they are talking about, like your favorite copyright attorney.
Smashing idea, we'll do lunch
Quoted from mcbPalisade:Can someone point me to a method to get MP3 (or ?) audio files from machines like AFM, RFM etc?
I'm trying to make pinball Christmas decorations. Thanks
Williams System 11: Harris CVSD format (no decoder for this)
Williams WPC 89: Harris CVSD format (no decoder for this)
Williams WPC DCS: Digital Compression System format (no decoder for this)
Data East System 2: 8kHz 8-bit PCM, maybe ADPCM sound bytes as well
Data East System 3: 8kHz 8-bit PCM and proprietary 4-bit ADPCM (no decoder for this)
Data East/Sega System 3b: ~22kHz 8-bit PCM, maybe ADPCM sound bytes as well
Sega/Stern Whitestar: 8kHz 8-bit PCM, maybe ADPCM sound bytes as well
Gottlieb System 3: 8kHz 8-bit PCM
Stern SAM: ADPCM I believe, can be decoded with Stern Pinball Browser
JJP: 44kHz 16-bit PCM, now encrypted in latest updates
Chicago Gaming Company: 32kHz 16-bit PCM
The moment any creative works are created, they are copyrighted. Artwork, graphics, and audio (music, voices, sounds) are copyrighted. That isn't going away anytime soon. The earliest the works found in AFM *might* be considered for the public domain is 2091, in the unlikely event that there are no changes to copyright laws between now and then.
Patents have expired--those are only good for 20 years. That's how people can reproduce generic parts (as long as they have no artwork or other creative elements).
If this is a personal project just for yourself, there's no problem. If it's a product you intend to sell, you will need to negotiate a license with PPS.
Interesting. Houdini died in 1926 which isn't 100 years ago. Not sure how all that copyright stuff worked out so API could make that pin.
Different subject I suppose and I'm not too interested in the answer.
Quoted from dudah:Why not sell a blank ornament that's easily user programmed?
I can add clarification to this. You can change the sounds to anything you want (2MB Flash) but it comes stock with Martian voices.
Quoted from mcbPalisade:Interesting. Houdini died in 1926 which isn't 100 years ago. Not sure how all that copyright stuff worked out so API could make that pin.
Different subject I suppose and I'm not too interested in the answer.
Different situation. He was a historical figure, not a creative work of fiction. Control over a historical figure's image falls under personality rights, and sometimes strays into trademarks. A deceased person's estate may actively police or license their image for commercial use. If there is no estate or next-of-kin in control, then their image may be up for grabs. Laws vary from state to state, but in some states, rights of a public figure may be retained/protected for a minimum of 50 years after the person's death.
Quoted from mcbPalisade:My copyright lawyer and I did breakfast instead. What a deal: He buys the meal and I pay him $250/hr to do it.
He found 1 pertinent document. Oddly it was done in 2010, long after Williams wasn't a going concern. It only covers "2D Artwork - Visual Material".
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To correct your comment: Williams is STILL a going concern, today.
Just because they stopped making pinball machines doesn't mean they folded.
Yes, corporations have no soul but their echos are heard for 100 years.
Getting the sounds is no problem and negotiations have begun to get them licensed. Bound to be a great learning experience.
Like the rest of pinball, ornaments should be ready in time for Xmas... 2020 I hope
Quoted from mcbPalisade:Yes, corporations have no soul but their echos are heard for 100 years.
Getting the sounds is no problem and negotiations have begun to get them licensed. Bound to be a great learning experience.
Like the rest of pinball, ornaments should be ready in time for Xmas... 2020 I hope
Very cool! I like to give Rick shit but he seems very approachable with any questions or potential partnerships with respect to the WMS licenses that he works with. Looking forward to seeing what you're working on.
Quoted from snakesnsparklers:Very cool! I like to give Rick shit but he seems very approachable with any questions or potential partnerships with respect to the WMS licenses that he works with. Looking forward to seeing what you're working on.
I'll let you know. I supply the base product and he adds the licensed stuff. We really hit it off because we both worked on HP-UX for Hewlett Packard at the same time. He was in Palo Alto (or some Cali site) and I was in Ft Collins, CO. A new team is formed!
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