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Ever look at your games and ask yourself...

By Doctor6

1 year ago


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    #1 1 year ago

    "... is this really bringing me x thousands of dollars of enjoyment?"

    I have a few games im debating selling simply because the amount they cost doesn't, for me, equal the amount of fun I have with them.

    Take my PC: that thing probably cost me 4k to build (I'm a lucky one that snagged the 4090 card recently). It is half the price of my AIQ premium, but I play it probably 20 to 30 times more.

    Does this question pop into anyone's mind? I keep coming back to this theme once in a while. Like... am i really needing to be collecting these things when they get almost no play at all?

    I try to think of them as cool looking furnitire, but cool looking only to me. And not 50 thousand dollars cool. I dunno, not sure what to do soemtimes.

    #2 1 year ago

    My collection now consists of pins I've owned in the past and have repurchased because i've missed playing them.

    But even those I don't play much anymore.

    I often think about selling my last 3 off and getting just one modern Stern.

    #3 1 year ago
    Quoted from Doctor6:

    "... is this really bringing me x thousands of dollars of enjoyment?"

    If it isn't, and unless you overpaid, you can typically get your money back. A few other expensive hobbies are like that, but not many.

    Quoted from Doctor6:

    Take my PC: that thing probably costme 4k to build (I'm a lucky one that snagged the 4090 card recently). It is half the price of my AIQ premium, but i play it probably 20 to 30 times more.

    Try selling your PC 5 years later and see what you can get for it. A few hundred, if that? Maybe nothing at all?

    Quoted from Doctor6:

    Does this question pop into anyone's mind? I keep coming back to this theme once in a while. Like... am i really needing to be collecting these things when they get almost no play at all?

    I try to think of them as cool looking furnitire, but cool looking only to me. And not 50 thousand dollars cool. I dunno, not sure what to do soemtimes.

    Pinball machines are pieces of part that you can play

    If I had the space, there are a few games that I would only own for the artwork/display value, since the gameplay on them isn't great.

    #4 1 year ago

    Yes. Games, cars, relationships...
    If they aren't worth the cost, time to cut em loose.
    Some games (and I guess relationships) will always remain til I'm dead though.

    #5 1 year ago

    20 years in the hobby and I still play almost daily. I still love bring back a dead neglected game to fully playable and nice condition. I do get what you mean though, because I can have just as much or more fun on a classic Bally as I can a brand new Stern. I'm also fairly active in the competitive scene, too, so that motivates me to play more.

    #6 1 year ago

    Yep, and I'm getting ready to cut six of mine loose. Since I moved, I don't have room for all of them and it's costing me $2k/yr to store them.

    #7 1 year ago

    I think you should sell one and see how it feels before making a commitment.

    So, how much for the Cyclone?

    #8 1 year ago

    I keep wanting to buy a new machine but I'm afraid I'll feel the same way. I've never bought new or even expensive games. My most expensive game was 3k. That having been said I bought a lot of games that were "good deals", in my opinion which means I have too many, and too many currently not working. For me it gets overwhelming. For that reason I want to whittle my "collection" down to about 5 machines, not counting the 1930's PM stuff.

    I've been playing less and less, most recently due to working 7 days a week up to 16 hours a day. If I'm being honest I didn't miss playing. That in itself tells me it's time to let some go.

    #9 1 year ago

    That's why I'm sticking to just one machine I really love. I play it everyday, maybe just a game or two, and then sometime friends come to play. I guess if the play count ever gets up to 7000 I'll be in the black. In the meantime it's money in the bank, can always be sold if I'm desperate or bored. But by owning one I spend less time searching out pinball machines around town and looking at ads on-line.

    #10 1 year ago
    Quoted from FrankJ:

    I think you should sell one and see how it feels before making a commitment.
    So, how much for the Cyclone?

    Honestly, my cyclone is nice but not holy crap nice. I'd feel better selling a few new ones that are just a pick up and play. I'd probably do 2800 for it.

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    #11 1 year ago

    Hahahah I have this conversation with myself everyday. Then I go buy more.

    But in all honesty yes and that's why I'm selling 4-6 of my pins.

    #12 1 year ago

    For me it is less the money than the space I consider and other ways it could be used. Since they’re worth as much or more than I paid I see it as just another asset that I could liquidate if needed. And if they become worthless then that is fine too since I love them and have enjoyed them.

    #13 1 year ago

    My collection is a fraction of 1% of my net worth, so no I never look at them and think about their cost in terms of their entertainment.

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    #14 1 year ago
    Quoted from Doctor6:

    Does this question pop into anyone's mind? I keep coming back to this theme once in a while. Like... am i really needing to be collecting these things when they get almost no play at all?

    I try to think of them as cool looking furnitire, but cool looking only to me. And not 50 thousand dollars cool. I dunno, not sure what to do soemtimes.

    For sure. Went from 8 to 2. Kept looking at the games I had and the amount of money sitting there, and it felt kind of silly. I'll probably get a couple of more over the next few years, but looking to go back to 5 max, and only if I love the theme. The massive increase in prices has made it pretty easy to be happy with a smaller collection.

    Quoted from MaxIsDead:

    My collection is a fraction of 1% of my net worth, so no I never look at them and think about their cost in terms of their entertainment.

    lol, nice flex.

    #15 1 year ago

    I like my games and think I could sell them pretty easily if I need or want to. In all my years here I have pretty much broken even and have had lots of fun doing it.

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    #16 1 year ago
    Quoted from MaxIsDead:

    My collection is a fraction of 1% of my net worth, so no I never look at them and think about their cost in terms of their entertainment.

    Nice Humble brag

    #17 1 year ago
    Quoted from Doctor6:

    "... is this really bringing me x thousands of dollars of enjoyment?

    Remember : these games are produced to be commercially operated games. Route your collection in a successful setup and they will bring thousands of dollars of enjoyment.

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    #18 1 year ago

    Sure, who doesn't think of this? I could have a new car or redo the kitchen.....blah, blah. It's very hard at this point to cut any games loose that have been part of the collection, in fact I'm pondering it right now about keeping a game I've owned many times before and weather or not to sell off something else to put this game in the line up....what to do, what to do.....? Point is, if I hadn't spent it on pinball what else would it have been? And what if I cut back on some games......then what? Is selling 1,2,3...10 games really going to make a difference in my case? So then what do I do with the space? Fill it back up with some different games at today's prices? Everything fits so perfectly right now in the entire basement that I find it very difficult to disrupt the layout of the basement, there just is no better way to do it that would even create space for one more game without selling a game.....trust me I've worn out a lot of measuring tapes trying to figure out how to squeeze in one more game. A LOT of games here don't get played by me or anyone else enough to justify them at this point but the thing is there already here and paid for twice over so why not hang onto them? It's my 401K. When the time comes to sell them all I'll know....but for now there not hurting anything.
    I guess I'd just rather keep the game count the same and save up to buy that new kitchen,garage, whatever... Problem is finding a contractor that will even return a phone call is like pulling teeth......, but that's another story.

    John

    #19 1 year ago

    Yes, the value of my games is more than they are worth to me which makes selling easier and buying harder. I decided that I just don’t play them enough to justify that so I have been slowly downsizing from a peak of 13 to 9 now and soon to be 8. Going to try and stay at 8 while selling one to buy another. Lots of places to play theses days so I can get a cheap fix on location every now and again.

    #20 1 year ago
    Quoted from Strummy:

    Nice Humble brag

    It's in his name, so I don't think he can help it.

    #21 1 year ago

    Nope, I play pinball everyday, coming up on 5 years of owning them at home and I’m not even remotely bored. Compared to anything else that cost as much as my collection I get way more use and enjoyment out of them.

    #22 1 year ago
    Quoted from Dayhuff:

    Sure, who doesn't think of this? I could have a new car or redo the kitchen.....blah, blah. It's very hard at this point to cut any games loose that have been part of the collection, in fact I'm pondering it right now about keeping a game I've owned many times before and weather or not to sell off something else to put this game in the line up....what to do, what to do.....? Point is, if I hadn't spent it on pinball what else would it have been? And what if I cut back on some games......then what? Is selling 1,2,3...10 games really going to make a difference in my case? So then what do I do with the space? Fill it back up with some different games at today's prices? Everything fits so perfectly right now in the entire basement that I find it very difficult to disrupt the layout of the basement, there just is no better way to do it that would even create space for one more game without selling a game.....trust me I've worn out a lot of measuring tapes trying to figure out how to squeeze in one more game. A LOT of games here don't get played by me or anyone else enough to justify them at this point but the thing is there already here and paid for twice over so why not hang onto them? It's my 401K. When the time comes to sell them all I'll know....but for now there not hurting anything.
    I guess I'd just rather keep the game count the same and save up to buy that new kitchen,garage, whatever... Problem is finding a contractor that will even return a phone call is like pulling teeth......, but that's another story.
    John

    Bravo on the manifesto! Holy schinkes !

    #23 1 year ago

    To ForceFlow's point - there are very few high priced hobbies where you can generally sell the "toy" for what you have in it (or more). In that sense this is a great hobby as long as you don't overpay.

    As far as the money goes - I think you have to ask yourself - what would you do with it if you sold? In other words, if you are in debt up to your ears and paying interest through the roof then I would say having a $50k collection you don't play a lot is silly and you should sell it to pay debt off. If, however, you have zero debt and are saving for retirement responsibly then I would ask the counter question "what else would you do with your money?" Those are two very different scenarios...

    I would also add if a person keeps buying more and more games and isn't really enjoying them then they may have something else going on in their life to consider...

    #24 1 year ago
    Quoted from MaxIsDead:

    My collection is a fraction of 1% of my net worth, so no I never look at them and think about their cost in terms of their entertainment.

    Well with a penis that massive, I'm certain you have other concerns that most of us 'normies' wouldn't have to worry about.

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    #25 1 year ago

    I wouldn't know what else to do with my basement so screw it.

    Plus it's only like 7% of my net worth.
    EDIT: Whoops sorry; 70%

    Percentages still confuse me.

    #26 1 year ago
    Quoted from MaxIsDead:

    My collection is a fraction of 1% of my net worth, so no I never look at them and think about their cost in terms of their entertainment.

    You have around 122k listed in games so your net worth is about 12mil?

    #27 1 year ago

    I asked my self this question 3 years ago. I sold all my pins. Huge mistake. Trying to build up again, but these prices are prohibitive.

    #28 1 year ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    I wouldn't know what else to do with my basement so screw it.
    Plus it's only like 7% of my net worth.

    You're being modest. It's a FRACTION of 7% of your net worth.

    #29 1 year ago
    Quoted from Doctor6:

    "... is this really bringing me x thousands of dollars of enjoyment?"

    I have 33 pins on location now, so yeah, it's bringing me thousands of dollars of enjoyment...all the way to the bank!

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    #31 1 year ago
    Quoted from illudiumQ36:

    You're being modest. It's a FRACTION of 7% of your net worth.

    Now fractions & Percentages?!?! I QUIT!

    #32 1 year ago

    You must be talking to my wife. Hell no! I’m not selling. I want 3 more but I have to let the heat die down. I’m thinking of grabbing a EM next year. Been working OT to mod my current ones. The money would just sit in the bank and devalue. I can’t up my 401k anymore. Roth is going to be maxed out. House has 2 years on it. I think it will be ok.

    #33 1 year ago
    Quoted from Goalie:

    I asked my self this question 3 years ago. I sold all my pins. Huge mistake. Trying to build up again, but these prices are prohibitive.

    Learn from this guy's mistake!!!!

    #34 1 year ago
    Quoted from Strummy:

    Nice Humble brag

    Not much humble about it...

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    #35 1 year ago

    Pinball is one of the few material possessions that brings me joy. I've never been a big "stuff" guy but love owning games. Don't need a big house or an expensive car but love my games. Have fun working on projects, playing them and chasing my dream collection. It helps having alot of friends in the hobby because its a good excuse to get together and hang out and usually end up bullshitting more than playing.

    #36 1 year ago

    Yes, if a game is no longer fun it’s gone.
    Space is always an issue so that keeps it pretty simple.

    #37 1 year ago
    Quoted from Chrizg:

    You have around 122k listed in games so your net worth is about 12mil?

    He said it's a fraction of 1%. I mean, I guess 1/1 is a fraction, but he could just as easily have meant 1/10. In which case, net worth comes out to $122 million.

    Which is plausible. Look at all the money the bottom 80% of Americans don't have. Someone has to have it, might as well be him.

    #38 1 year ago
    Quoted from Doctor6:

    "... is this really bringing me x thousands of dollars of enjoyment?"
    I have a few games im debating selling simply because the amount they cost doesn't, for me, equal the amount of fun I have with them.
    Take my PC: that thing probably cost me 4k to build (I'm a lucky one that snagged the 4090 card recently). It is half the price of my AIQ premium, but I play it probably 20 to 30 times more.
    Does this question pop into anyone's mind? I keep coming back to this theme once in a while. Like... am i really needing to be collecting these things when they get almost no play at all?
    I try to think of them as cool looking furnitire, but cool looking only to me. And not 50 thousand dollars cool. I dunno, not sure what to do soemtimes.

    Absolutely, I hate the process and work of selling games (way easier to acquire!)... however, I don't have space or money for all the machines I want.. so with only a few exceptions, usage is definitely what motivates me to move machines along.

    #39 1 year ago
    Quoted from Doctor6:

    I have a few games im debating selling simply because the amount they cost doesn't, for me, equal the amount of fun I have with them.

    Just the opposite for me. I've said this about every other hobby I've ever had, but pinball is the only one I've continued to enjoy after the purchase.

    I've collected antiques. There was absolutely no enjoyment for me after the hunt and the purchase.
    I've restored old cars. Once the restoration was complete I always lost interest.
    I collected firearms. I don't hunt, and you can only shoot so many holes in paper.
    I've collected coins. No one else will ever care about your coin collection.
    I've collected stamps. Gets old quick.
    I Put together a nice stereo system with a turntable to play my old records, yet I find myself listening to everything on my phone.
    Bought a nice bike to tear up the trails. The seat hurt my ass.

    #40 1 year ago

    Since I rekindled my love for old cars. I've been downsizing the past 2 years. Only way I can afford a classic car is to sell a dozen pins. So yes I'm looking at dollar signs and space issues. I know I'm gonna need XX amount of cash and realistically can only fit 26 pins. I'm down to 32 6 more pins to go.

    #41 1 year ago

    During the pandemic, when I got into pinball, I made a “Family Arcade” meant for me, my wife, and my kids to enjoy. Stuffed it with five pins and realized I was the only one ever in there. So I have since gotten rid of two and ordered a rhythm game from Japan for my daughter and a multicade for my son. There is no pin out there that I can’t get again in the years after they grow up and move out, but in the time I still have them home with me I want to enjoy our time together.

    Meaning my kids, that is. I think.

    #42 1 year ago

    Pinball cost of ownership is so low compared to most things. After the initial buy and a mod or two that's it. You could sell your pins and buy a big boat lol thousand bucks for a full up. Try woodworking, after buying equipment you still need lumber. Price up a Polaris Razor....30k hope there's a place to ride nearby a few times a year or it'll just sit. The pins are looking good.
    PS idk how to calc net worth

    #43 1 year ago

    I don’t play as much as I should but when I have people over it’s great being able to see others enjoy them.

    #44 1 year ago
    Quoted from MaxIsDead:

    My collection is a fraction of 1% of my net worth, so no I never look at them and think about their cost in terms of their entertainment

    Only have one game in collection?

    #45 1 year ago
    Quoted from DJK77:

    PS idk how to calc net worth

    Subtract your total liabilities from your total assets.

    #46 1 year ago

    No, pinball machines give me a joy that is not measured in dollars
    I have games that are worth $1000, and games that are worth $15000, i have them because they are fun to play

    #47 1 year ago
    Quoted from MaxIsDead:

    My collection is a fraction of 1% of my net worth, so no I never look at them and think about their cost in terms of their entertainment.

    Since everything else I do is measured in pinballs why not net worth?

    got my wife a new vehicle, told her "it doesn't look like I can fit # (don't want to be accused of humble bragging or something) of LEs in there" took her a moment to realize what I was talking about... it can only fit a single modern stern.

    I'm going to try and get to your level... but holy hell - a fraction of 1% and you own more than 100k in pins. I'm not a math surgeon but that is potentially a lot of zeros.

    To the op's question: I only ever made that cost benefit calculation with AIQ. The rest, even though each only get one to three plays per week a piece (if that), I get enjoyment out of just having them to look at. It is even better when others get to play them. So there are some intangible costs at play that are tough to put a dollar figure on.

    I truly feel like pinball machines are modern works of functional art.

    #48 1 year ago

    *Looks in garage at $80,000 worth of vehicles that will be worthless in ten years*

    *Looks at pins I get to enjoy with my kids and sell later to probably break even.*

    Nope. I don’t have tens of thousands invested in pins yet, but even then this seems to be a relatively wholesome hobby with a decent “return on investment” factor.

    #49 1 year ago

    The only times I really think about their cumulative value is when every single visitor unfamiliar with the hobby drills me about their value and look at me like I’m nuts, and when we get our monthly “once a decade” torrential downpour and I have nightmares that my insurance company tells me that my agent forgot to renew the rider on my homeowners insurance. But yeah I’ve built a pretty great stereo/vinyl setup over the last 20 years that, while not cheap, gives me waaaay more enjoyment for the buck than pinball. The audio gear being underwater is also part of the nightmare btw.

    #50 1 year ago

    I think "how did I get so lucky to find a Indy 93 and a Monster Bash that i could afford within driving distance?"

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