Humble, TX
This thread is a good read on how to come across as a serious buyer or tire kicker.
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Quoted from FrankJ:From another thread: The machine was a very nice condition GTL Playball for $400. That game, at that price, you better run, not walk. Offering lower - laughable.
Not lower, just a package deal. I think more people here would understand that, but I see I have to explain things?
Quoted from FrankJ:From another thread: The machine was a very nice condition GTL Playball for $400. That game, at that price, you better run, not walk. Offering lower - laughable.
I agree the pinsider was offering the game at good price. Grayman_EM some time you got to go all in and pay asking price. Hell I love a deal and love the art of the deal, I rarely pay asking price but when something is priced right don't screw around pull the trigger if it's already a okay deal.
And as for driving that's just part of it. I can go get a EM right now for $200 and from the pics I got of it I would be okay at that price, but I just haven't been able to talk myself into a 12 to 14 hour day to do it, 6 hrs there 6 back plus loading eating and so on, but if I wanted it bad enough I would be in the truck.
And if you don't have a truck then you should already know your rental costs and just figure that's part of the buy. When I buy a $200 game in my mind its still a $200 game even if my trip gas and meals cost me $100 I never factor in time and I don't add that $100 in my mind to the cost of the game.
Quoted from Grayman_EM:Not lower, just a package deal. I think more people here would understand that, but I see I have to explain things?
No. You have to stop thinking that the sellers are at fault in your deals that have gone south. Don’t ever expect to have a chance for a game if not willing to pay full price. Especially when you seem like a nightmare to deal with.
Toronto, ON
Quoted from chuckwurt:....you seem like a nightmare to deal with.
Amen.
I would add a BS Tax to any deal with you if I were selling.
Quoted from chuckwurt:Especially when you seem like a nightmare to deal with.
chuckwurt seller is at fault, he could have sold both games instead of one. He only has a (needs work) pin left. Lastly I am not a nightmare to deal with. I have a seller I am meeting Saturday. Money in hand we had some back and forth pricing and he accepted my offer. How is that a nightmare? People here on the board have painted that picture, not me.
Your original offer for the "needs work" was too low. (You say this yourself.)
When you made the "combined" offer, did you up the price you were offering for the "needs work"? Or did you use your old offer, but expect him to jump on it because you were also going to buy another machine?
Quoted from Grayman_EM:chuckwurt seller is at fault, he could have sold both games instead of one. He only has a (needs work) pin left. Lastly I am not a nightmare to deal with. I have a seller I am meeting Saturday. Money in hand we had some back and forth pricing and he accepted my offer. How is that a nightmare? People here on the board have painted that picture, not me.
You have a distorted view of how deals should work and what proper etiquette is. That’s great you have worked out deals, but stop thinking someone did you wrong if they didn’t except your low offer. Move on. Stop posting here. As you’ve seen. No sympathy.
Should be concentrating on the excitement of your new pick up Saturday. Not whining here.
Your wishlist is the longest I have ever seen on Pinside! I suggest you start " making your wishes come true" by paying at or very near full ask.
The seller probably realized read this other thread by the OP and realized he was going to need a lot of after sales support ...so didn't bother responding to his offers.
Quoted from Grayman_EM:chuckwurt seller is at fault, he could have sold both games instead of one. He only has a (needs work) pin left. Lastly I am not a nightmare to deal with. I have a seller I am meeting Saturday. Money in hand we had some back and forth pricing and he accepted my offer. How is that a nightmare? People here on the board have painted that picture, not me.
Great. Can't wait to see the post on Sunday bitching about how your deal with this guy went south. I'm sure it won't be your fault.
Quoted from Grayman_EM:The seller would have sold both pins.
Would he have? Really? Having read your thread that Whysnow refers back to, I wouldn't have responded to you either. Reputation plays a big part here, and yours says that you have unreasonable expectations of sellers, and then will most likely jerk them around.
But feel free to complain about it.
As much as another voice in this chorus isn't needed - I feel I must reply, if for no other reason perhaps to bring some well needed self analysis by the OP. I read a few of the other threads people linked to and there is indeed a common variable in all of them. A lowball seller who does not understand first in hand with money at fair price gets the goods.
OP - I genuinely do not mean to be rude, but the issue is 100% you.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to haggle and get a good deal, but do not be shocked if the item moves to someone else at a higher price. Sellers have zero obligation to then contact you and play ping pong between interested parties to jack up the price. That in my mind is a bad seller. Good luck in you future purchases.
I'd love to see a TV mini-series based upon the OP's upbringing, from infancy to young adulthood.
I'm sure it would be fascinating.
You know what I love about Pinside? All you have to do is click Ignore user and all the loud mouth, know nothing people just seem to disappear. I find it amazing. 
Quoted from Whysnow:similar advice likely to come that was in your previous/similar thread
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/dont-sell-to-someone-else-when-we-agree-on-a-price
It appears he makes deals with money he doesn't have and then expects everyone to hold things for him until he comes up with the dough or his mystery machine to pick them up.
I wonder if the seller recognized who he was getting offers from and decided why bother?
Quoted from bangerjay:I personally think the op is doing a fantastic job
Of what? Leaving machines for everyone else to buy?
Quoted from Grayman_EM:All you have to do is click Ignore user and all the loud mouth, know nothing people just seem to disappear. I find it amazing.
i find it even more amazing that you claim to have certain members on ignore, yet you acknowledge their existence in your thread.
Quoted from Buzz:I had a very cool buyer from out of state buy an airline ticket and rent a van. Worst part was we couldn't hang out because he had a 1,500 mile trip home. If you want something enough anything is possible.
I did this years ago with video arcade games. Bought a one way ticket, picked up the rental truck , loaded up and drove from Atlanta to Chicago. Actually did it twice. Did a load from Little Rock to Chicago. Best was the cab ride from the Little Rock airport to the truck rental center. It's 9am and the cab driver asks us if we mind if he drinks a "road soda". We look at each other like WTF, shrug and go yeah, go ahead. I kid you not, this guy had a 6 pack of Old Style 16 oz tall boy cans. Three of them gone in our 15 minute ride! That's a welcome to Little Rock if I ever saw one!
Quoted from Grayman_EM:You know what I love about Pinside? All you have to do is click Ignore user and all the loud mouth, know nothing people just seem to disappear. I find it amazing.
Ha and then pretty soon all the Pinside threads look like this to you......but you still probably keep blaming someone else
Quoted from CrazyLevi:And it's not spectacular!
Up vote for the Seinfeld (Teri Hatcher) reference.
Gord
Quoted from mittens:Sellers have zero obligation to then contact you and play ping pong between interested parties to jack up the price. That in my mind is a bad seller.
This is the clearest answer.
There's no "etiquette" that requires a seller to haggle with you, or "counter you", or anything else like that.
If the poster thinks such etiquette exists, that would explain why he's constantly surprised.
Quoted from vdojaq:I did this years ago with video arcade games. Bought a one way ticket, picked up the rental truck , loaded up and drove from Atlanta to Chicago. Actually did it twice. Did a load from Little Rock to Chicago. Best was the cab ride from the Little Rock airport to the truck rental center. It's 9am and the cab driver asks us if we mind if he drinks a "road soda". We look at each other like WTF, shrug and go yeah, go ahead. I kid you not, this guy had a 6 pack of Old Style 16 oz tall boy cans. Three of them gone in our 15 minute ride! That's a welcome to Little Rock if I ever saw one!
Best pin trip story. This is what the hobby is. 
I had the same problem with I sold an arcade machine some time ago. Some people feel that making a low ball offer somehow secures their place in line and reserves the machine for them, then they can haggle after that. That's not the case. It's real simple, when I'm selling a machine I go through messages in the order I received them and accept the first one that meets what I'm looking to get. That always pisses off people that got in earlier but made lower offers, but that's how it goes.
Quoted from Grayman_EM:Seller should still answer the PM I sent. We are talking 2 days ago the same day the seller put the pin up for sale here. The seller would have sold both pins. If money is just all that you care about and don't even have the courtesy to respond to an offer made before the pin was sold. Then where have we gone to? Sorry but I was raised different than that. Some always say the seller but the buyer should have some say if his offer was made in good faith. IMO
This is too funny. The pot calling the kettle black. You are here pleading for people to have the courtesy to PM you back, yet you don't even PM people back (not that I care, just making a point). You posted a wanted ad for a Galahad and I sent you a PM linking to a CL ad for one that was for sale. And you said nothing.
Quoted from djreddog:You posted a wanted ad for a Galahad and I sent you a PM linking to a CL ad for one that was for sale. And you said nothing.
Etiquette where is it here?
Quoted from dhard:Etiquette is in the toilet along with virtue,morals and all the other general pleasantries we used to have towards one another
Sort of like a man's word and a handshake deal, most have the value of used toilet paper these days.
Quoted from EricHadley:Ha and then pretty soon all the Pinside threads look like this to you......but you still probably keep blaming someone else
No, just blocking out the negative people is all.
Quoted from djreddog:This is too funny. The pot calling the kettle black. You are here pleading for people to have the courtesy to PM you back, yet you don't even PM people back (not that I care, just making a point). You posted a wanted ad for a Galahad and I sent you a PM linking to a CL ad for one that was for sale. And you said nothing.
Here got his PM that I just sent, but didn't read where I tell him that he has to be in or near my state not all the way on the east coast.
As for the 3 pins I got over the weekend talked to the seller. He explained the pins and told me to give him a call if I had any trouble. Nice guy to talk to and handed him, yes all the money!
Quoted from Grayman_EM:I have previously contacted him and made offer on other pin (needs work). Says to low.
I'm not sure where the etiquette is....I'm not sure where the grammar is either...
TO / TOO / TWO
It's just too early to tell in these two posts.
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