Escalara- Pros & Cons

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Escalara- Pros & Cons


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    #151 56 days ago
    Quoted from Pinwizkid:

    I bought one, used it once, and immediately sold it. I lifted a Whirlwind up a flight of stairs and thank god someone was there to help me otherwise I would have dropped both the machine and the Escalera down the stairs. It feels like the thing is going lose grip and fall the entire way up - very anxiety-inducing. I couldn't negotiate getting over the top step properly without shifting the weight of the machine in a direction that I was positive would cause a disaster (so again, thank god I had a buddy there to help lift up the final stair the old fashion way). Maybe I'm just super weak/out of shape, but it destroyed my shoulders and upper chest. I was sore for days after using it. However I will admit - my back didn't feel a thing!
    Sorry to be so negative on it, but after reading all the positive comments here, I figured I'd play devil's advocate. Looks like it was just me who sucked at using it!

    did you try it first without a 300lb machine on it? or just first attempt wing it?

    I have one and agree with a lot of people that it is a back saver but does need some practice. I went up and down a few times empty and with smaller stuff to get a feel for it. I also make sure no one is below it in case something happens. and i NEVER let my friends operate it or borrow it, that could be disastrous.
    I also had a almost hard lesson where i was on the main floor (linoleum) and in my socks. As soon as those little legs took over i started SLIDING towards the stairs, if it wasn't for a friend reaching over the railing and balancing the machine, it all woulda went down the stairs on its own. Shoes or bare feet from now on.

    #152 56 days ago

    I am in the minority of people who didn’t like Escalera. I sold it at a huge loss less than 3 months after buying. Overall, it was a rather frustrating experience.

    The machine itself is way too heavy and unwieldy for me. Hard to transport, store and manipulate. It can certainly lift a pin easily, but it was too big to maneuver around the 180 degree landing in my stairs. Would not recommend the forklift add-on, as it is extremely heavy and hard to deal with.

    I’m glad for those of you that have had good luck with it. Just offering a counter opinion, in case it is helpful to anyone.

    #153 56 days ago

    Just ordered my escalera with removable forklift, lift plate, and big wheels from Zach at Flip N Out pinball. Zach is awesome, and was great to talk to with all of my questions. For me, the forklift attachment and custom lift plate will help me move my pins, take legs on/off, and also load into and out of the back of my SUV.

    #154 56 days ago

    For me - the forklift is essential because if I hang the escalera off the back, I save valuable cargo room. I can either - Get 1 pin in my van without removing my kid's carseats (which is a nightmare in and of itself) - or get up to 3 pins broken down and in there. All solo without an issue.

    #155 56 days ago
    Quoted from f3honda4me:

    Just ordered my escalera with removable forklift, lift plate, and big wheels from Zach at Flip N Out pinball. Zach is awesome, and was great to talk to with all of my questions. For me, the forklift attachment and custom lift plate will help me move my pins, take legs on/off, and also load into and out of the back of my SUV.

    I have the same setup. I’m 165 pounds and always move pins solo. The forklift and plate are great fur lifting pins to/from my van or truck. The big wheel attachment is great to help balancee the load and for moving over rough surfaces. I also have the trailer attachment so I can easily transport the Escalera and a pin at the same time.

    #156 55 days ago

    Just used mine again last night........ So glad I bought one years ago especially now that I have RA.

    #157 54 days ago

    Glad to hear all of the stories everyone. As a reminder, Flip N Out Pinball is a proud authorized dealer of Escalera products.

    Believe me guys, if I can use one, anyone can haha. Now that I have one for the business I honestly cannot imagine maneuvering heavy pins without it, especially thinking of manually dollying one up or down a staircase ugh. Plus, with the rise of pin prices, these are the perfect accessory for a fraction of the cost of a new pin, let alone the price of your collection.

    Also, I just put in an order for in-stock inventory, so if you are interested in buying one we can have it delivered right to ya or can bring it to an upcoming show!

    Any questions, call or message me. I’m happy to help.

    Zach Meny
    Flip N Out Pinball, LLC
    847-778-4876
    zach@flipnoutpinball.com

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    #158 54 days ago
    Quoted from ZMeny:

    Glad to hear all of the stories everyone. As a reminder, Flip N Out Pinball is a proud authorized dealer of Escalera products.
    Believe me guys, if I can use one, anyone can haha. Now that I have one for the business I honestly cannot imagine maneuvering heavy pins without it, especially thinking of manually dollying one up or down a staircase ugh. Plus, with the rise of pin prices, these are the perfect accessory for a fraction of the cost of a new pin, let alone the price of your collection.
    Also, I just put in an order for in-stock inventory, so if you are interested in buying one we can have it delivered right to ya or can bring it to an upcoming show!
    Any questions, call or message me. I’m happy to help.
    Zach Meny
    Flip N Out Pinball, LLC
    847-778-4876
    zach@flipnoutpinball.com[quoted image]

    Very glad I ordered one. Can’t wait to get mine. No more paying movers!

    #159 54 days ago
    Quoted from f3honda4me:

    Very glad I ordered one. Can’t wait to get mine. No more paying movers!

    Just be careful and Practice practice practice before moving a game!!! While a Huge help without practice it can fight you quickly. Congrats and you bought it from the best dealer out there.

    #160 53 days ago

    I have now moved 3 games with mine. It does take practice. You have to let the machine do the work, which is scary at first. But once you figure it out, boy, what a back saver! Moved JJPOTC by myself down to the basement.

    #161 53 days ago
    Quoted from Crile1:

    I have now moved 3 games with mine. It does take practice. You have to let the machine do the work, which is scary at first. But once you figure it out, boy, what a back saver! Moved JJPOTC by myself down to the basement.

    A POTC going down stairs make every nervous haha regardless of method. Nicely done!

    #162 53 days ago

    Anyone happen to know if the forklift attachment can be added to a existing 1200 unit? Or is it a different unit entirely?

    I really like mine but forks would complete the job

    #163 53 days ago
    Quoted from Mogg:

    Anyone happen to know if the forklift attachment can be added to a existing 1200 unit? Or is it a different unit entirely?
    I really like mine but forks would complete the job

    I can double check for you but I think the forklift model is a model all it’s own due to fabrication of the frame.

    #164 52 days ago
    Quoted from Mogg:

    Anyone happen to know if the forklift attachment can be added to a existing 1200 unit? Or is it a different unit entirely?

    I talked to Larry about this once. It can be converted, but it requires ordering some additional parts and modifying the frame.

    #165 51 days ago

    What Gweem said... That's honestly the reason I went with the forks when I did... it was about $500 to get them on there, but Larry estimated it would be about $1,000 to add them and retrofit later on. Just with the ability to haul with the escalera on the hitch has made them 100% worth it, even though I've rarely used them as a forklift.

    #166 51 days ago

    I bought one mainly to get games in and out of the Suburban with the forklift attachment. I didn't get the platform part that goes on the forklift because I only have 1" of spare space to get games in and out of the Suburban. I just wrap a ratchet strap around the back of the game and under the forks to hold it. When the game is 50% of the way in the vehicle, I undo the strap and push the game in. Super easy.

    I bought the hitch carrier for the lift to haul it on the back of the Suburban. The first issue is the spare tire under the vehicle makes the top of the lift lean towards the car. I turn the crank to lift the forks to hold it in place, but it's actually pushing on the spare tire. No big deal really. I did use the clip strap included but I threw a ratchet strap on there for added security. The only thing I try to avoid is hauling the lift on the back of the Suburban in rain and show.

    The forklift attachment works well on nice smooth concrete. On rugs or busted up pavement, it's not going anywhere easily. I bought the big wheel attachment for the lift. So when the game is on the forklift and the ratchet strap around the back of the game and around the forks, I can actually tip the game up and wheel it on the big wheels until it's inside. Moving the game up/down with crank, changes the center of gravity and makes it easy tip up and balance. It does look weird with the game at a 30 degree angle, but it works well. It's easy to control as you tip it back down horizontally.

    #167 51 days ago

    The forklift attachment is a handy thing to have, but it's heavy as f***!!! Because of this, I rarely use it. The Escalera alone is already pretty heavy.

    #168 50 days ago

    After reading some of these posts lm upgrading to a new fork version. I have a small venture project right now, and having that and the fork hitch on the truck would be so much easier and safer without having to bother people to help. I had just talked to Larry, the short answer is “no you can’t. Not worth the trouble and expense to modify a existing carriage to use forks.” But he also did say, it can be done.

    So in a few weeks I’ll be selling my used escalera if anyone is interested. I’ll research princing in the meantime. I’m not sure I can part with it until the new unit arrives.

    One other question:
    Does anyone use the step detection system on their escalera? Is it worth the $300? Or is it better to clinch your ass on the first few steps hoping your in the right position?

    #169 50 days ago
    Quoted from Mogg:

    Does anyone use the step detection system on their escalera? Is it worth the $300? Or is it better to clinch your ass on the first few steps hoping your in the right position?

    I have the step edge detection system. I added it after I had used my Escalera for a while and was worried about pushing it too far and dropping down a stair. I found I really don't use the step edge detection at all. It works okay on hard surfaces, but my experience was that it didn't really work well enough on carpeted steps for me to bother unlatching them when I use the Escalera. I probably have not used them in a year now.

    #170 50 days ago

    I like the step edge detection. Have only used on low pile carpet though. I found the most important thing is that the step edge detection helps you keep the unit at the right angle. The tendency is to lean it back too far to be safer.

    #171 48 days ago

    I bought the 66" version, with big wheel and fork lift. In my opinion, its a one trick pony. Excellent for going up or down stairs, and invaluable for that purpose, particularly when you're alone. But other than that, its way more trouble than its worth! Even without the fork lift attached, its extremely heavy and not easily maneuverable around corners or obstacles. Its no fun putting it in or out of the truck and if its stuck in a corner of a room amidst a jumble of games and you need to lift it up to get it out, forget it!

    I find it more of a pain in the butt than anything, and I will not take it unless I know there's going to be a bunch of stairs involved. And the kick back release latch is a joke! Its so small, I can not release it with the tip of my shoe no matter what shoes I'm wearing. I find I have to balance the load with one hand while I try to reach all the way down with my free hand to try to release it that way. Its a miracle I haven't dumped a game yet when doing that. What a piece of crap engineering! My other handcarts have a small pull ring located conveniently where you can get to it to extend the tripod support when moving a game. Would that have been so hard Escalera - really?? I can't tell you how many times I curse that feature!

    But, like I said, going up and down stairs or using the forklift to lift something heavy onto the back of the truck or onto a table or stand- invaluable!

    #172 48 days ago
    Quoted from sbmania:

    I bought the 66" version, with big wheel and fork lift. In my opinion, its a one trick pony. Excellent for going up or down stairs, and invaluable for that purpose, particularly when you're alone. But other than that, its way more trouble than its worth! Even without the fork lift attached, its extremely heavy and not easily maneuverable around corners or obstacles. Its no fun putting it in or out of the truck and if its stuck in a corner of a room amidst a jumble of games and you need to lift it up to get it out, forget it!

    I find it more of a pain in the butt than anything, and I will not take it unless I know there's going to be a bunch of stairs involved. And the kick back release latch is a joke! Its so small, I can not release it with the tip of my shoe no matter what shoes I'm wearing. I find I have to balance the load with one hand while I try to reach all the way down with my free hand to try to release it that way. Its a miracle I haven't dumped a game yet when doing that. What a piece of crap engineering! My other handcarts have a small pull ring located conveniently where you can get to it to extend the tripod support when moving a game. Would that have been so hard Escalera - really?? I can't tell you how many times I curse that feature!

    But, like I said, going up and down stairs or using the forklift to lift something heavy onto the back of the truck or onto a table or stand- invaluable!

    95% of the time I use the Escalera strictly to move games up or down my basement stairs. For this alone, it has been worth the money. I used to have all sorts of lower back issues, and those have mostly gone away ever since I started using the Escalera. I think a lot of people don't realize the toll it takes on your body moving these 300 lb beasts with a standard hand truck.

    #173 48 days ago
    Quoted from sbmania:

    I bought the 66" version, with big wheel and fork lift. In my opinion, its a one trick pony. Excellent for going up or down stairs, and invaluable for that purpose, particularly when you're alone. But other than that, its way more trouble than its worth! Even without the fork lift attached, its extremely heavy and not easily maneuverable around corners or obstacles. Its no fun putting it in or out of the truck and if its stuck in a corner of a room amidst a jumble of games and you need to lift it up to get it out, forget it!
    I find it more of a pain in the butt than anything, and I will not take it unless I know there's going to be a bunch of stairs involved. And the kick back release latch is a joke! Its so small, I can not release it with the tip of my shoe no matter what shoes I'm wearing. I find I have to balance the load with one hand while I try to reach all the way down with my free hand to try to release it that way. Its a miracle I haven't dumped a game yet when doing that. What a piece of crap engineering! My other handcarts have a small pull ring located conveniently where you can get to it to extend the tripod support when moving a game. Would that have been so hard Escalera - really?? I can't tell you how many times I curse that feature!
    But, like I said, going up and down stairs or using the forklift to lift something heavy onto the back of the truck or onto a table or stand- invaluable!

    Sounds like you also have the RLS (retractable load support option) on your hand truck along with the Big Wheels. I typically recommend one or the other but not both. Like you said its hard to release the RLS with your foot but can be done. I just use the Big Wheels to accomplish the same thing. You can always set the game down and then release the RLS so that would alleviate your fear of dumping the game. With the RLS it does add weight to the hand truck so one of the disadvantages of that option. If you think the Escalera is heavy try lifting a Lectro Truck or Powermate. Both are almost twice the weight.

    Larry

    #174 48 days ago

    I borrowed an escalera from a friend last week because I needed to move 5 games into my basement. My initiation with the machine was bringing it up from his basement and then a dry run down to my basement, both times unloaded.

    When i moved two games down in quick succession, I found it pretty easy and strain-free... except for my hands. My hands were tired. I was gripping the handles much tighter than I needed to. The next game I moved down, I focused on taking my time, keeping it balanced, and found it much more relaxed. Long story short, it has a bit of a learning curve, but makes moving games by yourself very doable and convenient.

    #175 47 days ago

    If the escalera was much lighter, it wouldn’t do the job.

    #176 47 days ago
    Quoted from flipnout1:

    Sounds like you also have the RLS (retractable load support option) on your hand truck along with the Big Wheels. I typically recommend one or the other but not both. Like you said its hard to release the RLS with your foot but can be done. I just use the Big Wheels to accomplish the same thing. You can always set the game down and then release the RLS so that would alleviate your fear of dumping the game. With the RLS it does add weight to the hand truck so one of the disadvantages of that option. If you think the Escalera is heavy try lifting a Lectro Truck or Powermate. Both are almost twice the weight.
    Larry

    Hey you! Get back to the beach you don't have to sell anymore that Zach's job now! lol Thanks for the Many wonderful years of support and kind professional service. Best to you and your wife you will never be forgotten!!!

    #177 47 days ago

    His beach trip is well deserved!

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