The horror! He just wants to live life and be happy and he only works “enough” to do that?

What’s wrong with kids these days? It’s almost like they have this delusion that work is a necessary part of life, but isn’t what they should build their lives around. Very strange.

It might be no qualifications, but it is still a shit job that most people don’t want. I’m you want people to do shit jobs instead of better jobs, pay them more to do it, give them better and more reliable hours, give them benefits. It’s not hard, it just means sacrificing profits.

We all have desires, but are they worth the trouble. Sounds like to him they aren’t right now. And if he can get other people to pay for it, that’s on them.

Please tell me this is just poorly worded and she chose to work for extra money or for something she wants to buy. She has 50 years to work for financial independence. She’s a child and definitely doesn’t need adulthood forced on her yet.

I have no problem with kids earning money for frivolous, fun things. Having fun and being kids. But the way it was worded sounded far more serious.

If that’s the expected work and pay I wouldn’t put in any effort either. That’s way beyond unreasonable for a job.

Obviously it’s more complex than simple math, but for about $1000 in wages you could offer another week of vacation. It blows my mind how cheap it is to offer more vacation to make employees happy, but in America we just don’t do it.

If a couple can live on one income, what’s wrong with that? The distain in this thread for being happy not spending their lives working is as incredible as it is predictable.

Why would anyone *want* to go back? If people found they can live happily without that job, it’s up to the job to give them a reason. It’s simple economics, if you want my services, you need to incentivize me enough to get them. Companies aren’t entitled to have employees, regardless of the fact that employers seem to think they are.

I worked for a company for 10 years, wasn’t unhappy. Covid hit and we all started working from home. My work never diminished, had nothing but praise in my reviews. Eventually they wanted us to go back to the office. I was far happier working from home. It became a sticking point, so I left. Immediately found a new job that was 100% remote and got a good pay bump. I was definitely not alone in doing that.

I have no idea if people there complained about not being able to find people to work or lazy employees just wanting to sit home in their pajamas or whatever, but if any of them did, it would be a ridiculous complaint. Stubbornness is what cost them, not laziness.

But you have no idea what their futures look like or what their lives look like right now. You are judging them based on your metrics, when theirs may well be completely different.

That’s fine. But you realize that is your personal preference and not the preference of everyone right? Many people are very happy to “sit in a room at home” 8 hours a day and be even happier with their other 16 hours?

Hold on, I’m going to leave the room I sit in all day and go play a couple games of pinball. Have fun talking to Staci in accounting on your break or whatever.

Just because it pays well doesn’t mean the job isn’t shit.

Or they are realizing that in the current environment their labor is quite valuable and they can prioritize enjoying their life over settling for a job they don’t like. It won’t be like that forever, but right now it is and they are taking advantage of it. They are clearly making enough to be comfortable. Just because they aren’t doing what you did doesn’t mean it is wrong.

Well damn. If that’s the case, doesn’t that mean your struggling boss was picked as a loser and your seemingly happy son was picked as a winner?

I’m just trying to make sense of who gets picked as winners and losers. If it isn’t based in capitalism, what metric is being used by these “overlords”?

The basic reality is the vast majority of jobs are shit when you get right down to it. And other than a small handful of people who make it a point of pride, most people have no interest in work being their purpose in life. The basic point of this thread is correct, people don’t want to work. We work because we have to, that’s the society we live in. But if we had a way to live comfortably without it, we wouldn’t go to work.

Companies are still in the mindset of thinking that offering the job is the gracious part and employees should be happy to be employed. That’s not the way the labor market is right now. Companies are offering people something they inherently do not want; the pay, benefits, hours, work environment, etc is what makes them take the job they don’t and stay there. If they aren’t taking it or staying, the company isn’t offering enough.

And yes, I’m involved in interviewing and leading people at my job. It’s a very competitive industry where most people can have multiple job offers any time they want. The key to keeping people is all the things I listed before. It’s impossible to keep everyone obviously, but if you listen to what people want and provide it to them, many good people stay.

Maybe they decided the night before they’d rather enjoy life with their friends, doing whatever experience they were doing. When they made the decision to miss work, it’s because they realized the job they had wasn’t in any significant way different or better than another job they could go get so they didn’t care if they lost it. The job didn’t give them a good enough reason to show up and they have other options.

Again, economics. Just like if you want someone to buy your product you have to demonstrate why it is better than similar products. If you want people to work for you, you have to show them why they should. If you can’t do that, you have to be happy with what you can get. Or go out of business I guess, no one is forcing you to run a business.

Yeah, they don’t want to work. There is a need to work, but that’ll only go so far with any particular job. That’s the reality of the work force. You can complain about it, but that doesn’t change it. So…if you don’t like that aspect of your job, maybe you should quit.

The thing is, it shouldn’t matter. If you are happy with the $500 you make playing the gig and $500 is what you would get playing a gig at a similar place, what difference does it make what everyone else makes? Take ego out of it, if it doesn’t affect what you make, why does it matter?

Have you ever looked into the requirements to actually emigrate to country that is actually well run? It takes a job and or money.

Other countries that also weren’t built on premise of welcoming immigrants, other countries that aren’t the richest most powerful country in the world, and other countries that are t constantly bitching that people don’t want to do the jobs they do want to do.

But none of that matters because immigration is far more complicated and than looking down on “undesirables”.

That’s literally one opportunity out of millions of people. I know some people ready for work, can they also be assistants to take over your business? Do you have millions of opportunities available? You complain about people wanting to get rich being influencers and how rare that is, do you understand how rare it is to be able to be trained and take over a successful job/business? You may think it’s not because that’s what you do, but there aren’t that many opportunities like that.

AND there’s a decent chance this opportunity is only there for him because your son isn’t good enough. Family is generally given the first chance and things like that.

Dude. Taxpayers paid for THREE of your degrees! Maybe sit this one out.

I just love the hypocrisy of military people complaining about government programs and taxpayers paying for other people when their whole livelihoods are paid by taxpayers. It’s a huge chunk of our federal budget and involves massive government waste, but somehow it doesn’t count when it applies to them.

Now you are bragging about getting useless degrees that we had to pay for. You understand that right?

The degree wasn’t free! It was paid for, it was paid for by us! You complain about rising cost of tuitions because people are taking degrees that aren’t needed, that’s literally what you did, multiple times! It doesn’t matter if you think you earned it, it’s still a degree that was paid for that wasn’t needed.

The plain fact is defense spending is a huge part of our budget and we spend excessively more on defense than every other country in the world. That in itself is a waste. Maybe your department didn’t have excessive money, but excessive money goes to defense and the military. You work for the defense department which is the biggest waster of government money. It’s money we don’t need to spend, but it’s money we do spend. It’s money we pay for ships and planes and tanks and personnel and whatever else that we don’t actually need. We have massive amounts of all of these things that we don’t need, we’ve just built ourselves up into thinking we do. It’s literally called the military industry complex, everyone knows about it.

It’s not an attack on service members or what they’ve done, it’s just a fact that our military is a massive strain on our budget. And it is hypocritical for someone who benefits from that to complain about other government spending. Taxpayers don’t want to spend trillions on the military either, but that’s how it is.

This is the hypocrisy I’m talking about. You look at yourself as different from others, even though you do the same things. It’s not about your service, it’s about your use of government spending.

You served in the Marines, and you were given benefits to pay for a degree. That’s all fine. It even let you get multiple degrees, that’s also fine. But then you complain about other people getting degrees they don’t need, when you’re literally getting degrees you don’t need. Yes it’s a benefit offered to you, but not a benefit you have to take. You didn’t have to spend our money on a useless history degree but you did it anyway and contributed in a small way to the cost of rising tuition. I don’t understand how you don’t see the hypocrisy there.

Ok, One last time it’s not about the soldiers or being compensated for their service. But at the root of it in joining the military is taking advantage of a government program. It can be a high risk government program, but it’s a government program nonetheless. You work for us for X amount of years and we give you Y benefits.

My problem isn’t with taking advantage of the government program, it’s with complaining that other people take advantage of different government programs.