Hey Franz,

Welcome! Hopefully someone with more knowledge than I will chime in and help you with some good advice.

Just to give you some preliminary info, have you checked out the manual and schematic that's posted on ipdb? It lists the startup sequence that might help you focus your search while you're between help.

Personally, I'd look for misadjusted switch(es) on the ball return relay and ball release relay. Visually inspect for proper switch action. There might be a switch that's stuck closed or open or is a bit dirty.

Good luck!
Max

Hi franz
welcome to pinside. It is not a good start in helping when I write "I actually fear helping". The reasons are: The pin is complex / has multiball, You did a lot of work on the pin, You are new (?) to EM-pins, I am not familiar with multiball-pins.

Great - the ipdb has manual and schematics http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=2777 .
You write in post-1: "... but counts all balls down" - hmm - when You start a game then the Ball-Count-Unit must step down so here: http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=2777&picno=17188&zoom=1 (lower left corner) the "Ball In Play" lights up the "1". As You play through a game: It steps to "2", "3", "4", "5".
Am I allowed to read Your text: "I see the "1" then the "2" then the "3" then the "4" then the "5" then "Game Over" ?

If Your answer is "No - its other": Please describe by using the ipdb-picture for reference.
If Your answer is "Yes - I see the pin stepping through the balls till Game-Over": Does Your pin have paper tags telling what relay is what - this is the XY-Unit ? Look at the JPG - encircled red: Does Your Player-Reset-Relay constantly pull and does Your Score-Motor runs all the time / until "Game-Over" ? Can You locate the Player-Unit - have the pin toggled-off then manually step the Player-Unit DOWN completely - then toggle-on and start a game.
Do You have all three balls the pin needs - are the ball in the trough ready to be kicked-out ?

Have You tried following the instructions here http://mirror2.ipdb.org/files/2777/The_Wiggler.pdf on the first page - there is a description "sequence of operation" - question: Does Your pin follows the text (doing what is in the description) ? Greetings Rolf

I believe what he means is: Turn the game off, locate the player unit, step it down (meaning, there should be two coils/solenoids. One for advancing the unit, and one for decrementing the unit). Decrement the player unit until it can't go farther. Then turn the game on and start a game.

I had opened up my machine and manually held my "Player Reset" relay closed and seemed to act like what you had described.

on my machine , bottom of box , right hand side , fifth one from the back

I only speak English the German manual may just call it the "reset relay" found here http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=2777

http://mirror2.ipdb.org/files/2777/The_Wiggler_GE_.pdf

looking at the manual:

sequence of operation at start of game, (Spelabauf ?) ...
(2.) "start relay"
(b.) energizes the "hold relay" (halterelias ?) and turns off the Tilt light

now I would look at contacts on Start relay that energizes the hold relay

I hope this helps

Hi Franz
I still do not understand what happens on Your Ball-Count-Unit. Your "ball count unit runs from 1 to 5 balls and counts all balls down" - does this means: FIRST the Ball-Count-Unit steps in one direction - and then SECOND steps in the other direction ? Please explain.

The Bally schematics is a bit confusing - see on the bottom of the JPG and also look into the schematics. The common returning line "wire-yellow" runs away from the transformer - makes a turn - then makes another turn and then kind of "comes back". Above (see my blue line) is 6 Volt "POWER", below (my red line) is 50 Volt "POWER" --- consumers (6 Volt Lamps / 50 Volt Relays) are in between - they ALL use "wire-yellow" as the "returning line to the transformer".

The resistor must be in an american version of the pin - the resistor must be in an german version of the pin. A pre-owner must have had some problems and he has taken away the resistor.
IF (if) You want to have the functionality "TILT (gekippt)" in Your pin: You MUST have such an resistor of 15 Ohm / 10 Watt.

The "logic of mounting such an resistor in Your pin" is: Bally wanted to save some money - one relay less mounted means some dollars saved (so they did not mount a Tilt-Relay). (In a running Wiggler) When You start a new game the Number-3-Reset-Relay gets activated - pulls and closes its switch - current can flow to "Coil on Hold-Relay" --- the relay pulls and closes its "Self-Hold-Switch, encircled rosa / pink" - relay stays pulling. When You bang a Tilt (gekippt) the "encircled grey Tilt-Switch on plumb / pendulum Tilt" closes - ALL electrons NOW run through this closed switch - NO ELECTRONS run through the "Coil on Hold-Relay" - the relay therefore quits pulling and this "quit pulling" we see as "Tilt / gekippt", see the "Tilt-Light" in the JPG - "relay is not pulling equals switch is closed".

The Pendulum-Tilt-Switch closing makes a short (my grey stuff) - but the fuse shall not blow (fuses do blow when there is a real short): This resistor acts as an consumer (like a relay is an consumer) - the Hold-Relay quits pulling - and "quits pulling means: encircled rosa / pink switch on Hold-Relay opens --- no more connection downwards (in the JPG)".

You write in post-10 "manually pull the Hold-Relay makes the Tilt-Light go off". Do manipulate on the Hold-Relay to have it "pulling forever" --- do NOT bang Tilt / gekippt.

I would like to try an temporary work-around - it is not a fix - it is only to stop the Player-Unit being stepped in BOTH directions - I want to cheat a bit and have the Unit ONLY step-down.
Toggle-off the pin and pull-out the 220 Volt Power-Cord (Safety Reasons) - do You find the "Player Advance Relay" ? It has a "switch to be closed when the relay is pulling" --- one wire is of color-23-blue-yellow and the other wire is of color-48-green-black. Sneak-in a stripe of paper in-between the two contact-points - MAKE this switch open all the time (((again: this is not fixing - this only shall stop the faulty stepping-up on the Player-Unit))).

Please write about the Ball-Count-Unit - what exactly happens there ? Greetings Rolf

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here is the image of bottom box with resister shown.

the Player-Up stepper unit is a full reset unit that resets to a "zero position" and then later steps up to player one , , I believe this is what is happening while the ball count stepper is counting

I didn't look at the color code on the schematic for where to install the resistor , I can take another picture at a different angle if needed

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Hi Franz
I am pleased, happy - Your pin does nicely start-up, reset and give ONE ball to the shooter alley (Abschusskanal).
Bally, Williams, Gottlieb do not want us player to activate the flipper-fingers when the pin is in "Game-Over" / when the pin is busy retting. They have some switches to control this --- see my JPG - and may look in the schematics. When we look and say electrons flow from the transformer power-side to the many relays etc.: We say from transformer to "Switch on Game-Over-Relay" to "Switch on #3-Reset-Relay" to "Switch on Hold-Relay" to "Switch on Player-Advance-Relay" to the playfield-relays, bumpers, slingshots, flipperfingers.
Want to look at these Relays and switches ? Greetings Rolf

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