Hi

Still digging along with my new game and now that my Backbox lights work I can see what is happening

I did find a schematic and it’s on its way BUT I have a really weird issue and wondered if this could be an easy adjustment or heavy issue

Here is what the game does

Plug game in

Hit left flipper - hold relay - GI on field and back box

Game Over lamp is lit

If I hit the start button once

the reels reset to 00000 ball in shooter lane - game scores fine

1 lamp is on indicating a 1 player game And the 1up player area is lit (player score area)

Now for the issue

After ball 1 drains instead of going to ball 2 player 1. The game advances next player ...

Essentially The game acts like it’s a 4 player game

any thoughts ?

Seems like its stuck playing all 4 player game but assembly Works and cycles through all players

Plays a 4 player game / 3 ball game perfectly lol

Once all 4 players went through 3 balls

Game returns to Game Over as normal

Thanks for your time

I have a schematic on its way

This is posted on IPDB - Pretty Solid Example

http://www.ipdb.org/files/987/Bally_1969_Gator_Schematic_Diagram_Continuous.pdf

Okay pulled the field out to service and noted a sore thumb

Please see pictures

I have a green red white that looks totally random soldered across the bank to the #5 M.B. Relay

Prolly unrelated but never seen this

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Wire leads to the top left bumper (thumper bumper)

See pic please

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Hi

I can follow up later on

I didn’t know any issues with game play to my knowledge ..

Just noticed the game plays a 4 player regardless .. pulled out the mech panel and that wire was just there

Will follow up when I get the game back together to test

Thanks for the tips

While I am not by the machine

I have found several pictures of the mech panel on Gator or Alligtaor

Neither have this mystery wire

I’ll be home soon from work to check it out

Thanks for the support

Okay sorry for delay

Every works as it should with mystery wire ...

The top right bumper doesn’t do anything regarding the MB relay

So I am not worried about it

Every item and feature in the field operates properly not sure why or who did it

Game still always acts as a 4 player machine

So I will focus on the initial issue

After checking and verifying ..

The player reset relay indeed doesn’t work

The player advance does work - as it makes a 4 player game

Now I am doing some continuity checking and noticed that the yellow back when it gets the connector changes color

Does that seem right ?

See pic

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Also I am going to ensure the step down coil is working as well ...

Will follow up soon

Any ideas of course greatly thanked and welcomed

My schematics are out for delivery today so I’ll have them soon

OK I have confirmed the player reset relay works and the step down coil in the unit works

I’ve been trying to connect to these jumper cables to see if I can get it to work correctly but not sure where to attach the wires too between the player reset relay and the step up step down unit in the head

I feel I am close but could use a helping hand of guidance

Thank you all for your help

I may have stumbled on something

So I took a photo

It looks like a wire may of been cut from the outhole switch but don’t know for sure

See pic

I am looking to see if I can find a wire

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I found this out

As soon as I plug in the machine and hit the left button the 1 is lit for players on lower BG

Now looking at coil unit I think I may of found the culprit

My wiper arms seem to be off 1 click

See pic

Not sure what the F means on the wiper board but the arms will not step down that far

Also after trouble shooting further I noted that I can play 2 & 3 player game when the 2 OT and 3 is lit BUT cannot add a 4 player ..

So I am looking in the coin unit for a cleaning and full adjustment

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The game is all set !!

I totally rebuilt the assembly but noticed that a switch was on the wrong side of the metal pin in the plastic wheel

After fixing that I realized that the switch stacks were horribly out of alignment so I straighten all that out

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR HELP