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Clifton, NJ
Here are some more pictures of my basement collection,but this time i included my garage gameroom where i have my Bally Bingos and Williams pins. I have a 3rd gameroom on the 5th levelof my house and there i have a Brunswick 4 1/2 x 9 ft pool table and 7000 45rpm records and 1500 33rpm albums.
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GR11-24-136pm 040.jpgJust picked up this TOP CARD but have no place to put it.This wedgehead has only 23,000 plays.Check out how little wear the top arch on the playfield has. It can't stay in the middle of the family room.Might have to move my 1951 Bally Coney Island bingo up to the pool room.I have been out of space for the last 10 years and it killing me.
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I have an ATLANTIS....no desire for Slick Chick and haven't played Abra Ca Dabra yet. Like i said.... been out of room for 10 years and have been really haven't been buying anything,actually Sing a Along,North Star,Silver Sails and Top Card bought in the last 5 years or so. I never store any games and always have all my games playing like factory new.
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Vic, Abra-Ca-Dabra is very addictive and goes well with Atlantis and El Dorado for a '75 wedgehead trifecta. Abra-Ca-Dabra can be had for about 700-1000 dollars in unmolested condition. (I don't mention Spin Out because I feel it is meh) You make the first person I have encountered that didn't care for Slick Chick. I also wish you had more room because your amazing collection would then get bigger.
Does Abra Ca Dabra and Team One have the same playfield?
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Yeah...It's all coming to me now. I played Team One at my Buddy Dave's house in NY many times at his yearly Add a Ball partys and remember liking it a lot. I sold all my add a balls from my collection because i just wanted the games i played growing up back in the 1960's and 70's....so i never thought to think there was a replay game. Anyways i plan to keep a close eye out for any coming up for sale.
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Yeah..Rocket Ship is one of the better playing woodrials.
Here below is an older slide show of my collection i made a while back.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9584671@N04/show/
That's a nice Big Daddy standing so proud and in a perfect spot for the serious EM player to perform the skills needed to beat the machine. Looks like a player can rest their favorite drink on the ledge of the short wall which is rare and there's plenty of space left and right of the game for people to view the silverball at play.
Williams made some reverse wedgeheads that can compete against some of Gottlieb Wedgeheads for sure. I am glad i have a Williams Skill Pool. Can you post any more pic's of the Big Daddy?
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I have been out of room for over 10 years now. I stopped selling games from my collection so i could bring a new one in about 5 years ago or more.If you view my past games owned or history list you will find i let go some great pins.
Every once in a while i fall of the wagon and buy a new game, but of course i have to let one go in the line up which is getting harder to do these days and loaded with regrets.
Actually i recently picked up this nice Top Card and it's standing proud in our family room on the 2nd level of the house which had been claimed by my wife when we first moved in the house 20 years ago.
I do not have a slot available for the Top Card as it remains in the family room until i either sell a game from collection or bring my Bally Coney Island bingo up to the pool table room on the 5th level. If i stick the Coney Island in the pool room it might be in the way a little when a pool player shots from the corner left side head string.
The best thing to do is see if i can talk my wife into giving up the family room and turning it into the 4th game room in the house. I already have a Seeburg R in the family room for about 4 years now and this Top Card is sitting right in the middle of the room. Check out the pic...
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Have a seat and get a drink...this photostream is a bit long.
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That's so niceeeee!
I'd bet HUO for sure.
Please if you can post some more pic's of that gem Pin Up.
Too bad the wedgehead Add a Balls don't have a total game meter like the replay games do so you could document & view the actual total plays.
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That Dealers Choice playfield and cabinet are in real nice condition. Can you post a close up and clear detailed picture of the top arch?
It's not easy to find a low played game like that. Looks like it was in a home for most of its life.Good find!
I always inquire and ask questions about the machine when i purchase them from their owner,especially a low played beauty like your DC. The story and history behind the machine is interesting to know and for future reference. I document as much information about my machines as possible and store it inside the coin box compartment of each game.
Here are some more pictures of my basement gameroom in 2005, but without the new carpet and when the bingo's were downstairs with my Williams pins. Today the basement houses just wedgeheads. Before 2005 i had a bowler,coke machine,electric 6ft tall dartboard,3 jukes,skeeball machine,Line Drive pitch and bat and more.
It was a ton of work when you do almost it by yourself to install the new carpet and move all the bingo's and Williams games up to the attached garage gameroom that was being constructed and move out everything from the garage into the new 8 x 16 shed outside in the backyard....I got pictures of that transformation and other transformations if anyone wants to view.
The old checkered floor looked cool, but pins always slid all over the place,especially after party's.I think i should put the beer trays back up where they show more,instead of being in the bar area on the ceiling. Check it out.
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I had the chronological order perfect at one time, but now that i fell of the wagon and bought some new games recently a few wedgie have fallen out of order . I gave up playing pool once a week on Tuesday's after playing for almost 35 years straight a month agao because i just wanted to come home and do nothing after working at my real job all day.
I am secretly working on a completed plan that should get me the second level family room location making it the 4th gameroom i'll have in the house.
This new addition gameroom will be between my garage gameroom and basement gameroom where my Top Card stands proudly at the present time. If i get this space i think i can squeeze another 5 wedgeheads or ?
Then and only then will i consider a large shuffle of pins to get things back in order chronological again if i end up with the new space.
That 's a nice game J.R.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9584671@N04/show/
Garage gameroom Christmas 2006..Got all three of these Williams games in a package deal. The games were in a home from 1979 When i found them in 2006. All cleaned up real nice and had low plays on them.
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Sounds like you want to see more...here some pic's from 2006. I can't believe 2014 is in less than two weeks.
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Funny you should say that...I remember buying myself a pin for a Christmas more than i few years. Actually the one that stands out in my mind the most is my Buckaroo christmas present i got myself. Still have it too.Thanks for the nice comment.
When you mix talent and passion together JR's Flip a Card is the end result. Great work Joe! Another wedgehead that will be around hopefully for a long time.
When we were at the Silverball the last time Joe checked the game meter plays and i think it had 15,000 plays put on it since its been at the Silverball and still plays great too.
Flip A Card is at the top of the early 1970's list of great playing Gottlieb Wedgeheads.
The jukes in the pic are a Rock ola #1448 with rotating title drum and a AMI 200.
My garage was more a workshop then a gameroom back then.
Here's some pic's of my Flip a Card restorations that i did in 2003.
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Garage gameroom so packed with games that i couldn't use the side door to get in and out of the garage because this woodrail blocked the way.
I just listed this game with other pictures on IPDB and PinballOwners website since it was one i forget i hunted down and had in my collection. I found the JC in a NJ basement but sold only after having it a few weeks. Went to a good home for sure in South Jersey.
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Quoted from EMsInKC:Vic, do you still have that Hot Line? When I first got that Surfers in 1971, a buddy of mine got a Hot Line. We played the hell out of both games. It's on my "sentimental value" list if I can ever find one nearby.
I'd have thought I died and went to heaven if I ever just got to play that wedgehead collection. Just outstanding.
The Hot Line i remember i got down in the Jersey shore in a small house near the beach. I brought it home and shopped it out with JR. I didn't have it that long but enjoyed the game for a while. I forget how ,but JR ended up with the HL and he did some wood work repairs on the head and maybe more before he sold the HL to Randy in Wildwood.
Quoted from Darcy:Time to add some more photos. This should bump this post! Here is my Strange World, it is suppose to be HUO.
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Amazing original condition. How many plays is on the game meter?
Quoted from Darcy:Here is the money shot.
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Yeah... that's lowed played. Might have been on route a very short time.It's going to be hard to ever find a nicer one than that one.
Quoted from DirtFlipper:One Atlantis down, one more to go. Last rebuild of the year.
(Gotta find my extra instruction card still.)The inside:
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Joe, how "peachy" was the KOD you sold to? I can't remember his name.Here are some pictures of your KOD you sold. You seem to have a little buyers remorse look on your face in the last pic.
Wayne has a "peachy" playfield in his game too.
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Here are Rich Huths games which are located 2 miles from my house in Clifton NJ.
Rich is in the process of shopping out many games in storage and adding them to his collection starting this year.
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Quoted from jrpinball:Rich just acquired a Gottlieb "Show Boat". Why is this significant? I don't think he did so intentionally, but with the addition of "Show Boat", he now has all three Gottlieb pins that have six live pop bumpers. The other two are "Corral", and "Thorobred", both of which can be seen in the photos that Vic posted. I can't think of any others that have six. In fact, the only other pin I can think of that has six live bumpers is not an EM. It's a game I once owned but have since sold; Williams "Whirlwind".
What about Ice Show?
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I just played 10 games after taking it off the skates i was using while working on it. It's finally level with nice high pitch and found a spot for it in the new gameroom between the basement and garage gamerooms.(see pic's)
It very fast and powerful with the DC voltage. I had it set on Replay but changed it to Add a Ball to see how i would like it. I will leave it on Add a Ball for a while too.
I need about 50 more plays on it before i can determine how the game play is and some adde fine tuning i expect to finish off tomorrow.
I am use to playing Gottlieb wedgeheads and 1960's Williams pins..so this game is a little different. I've owned a real nice Space Mission and Grand Prix. They both stayed in my collection for a while before getting sold. I enjoyed game play on both of them.
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Quoted from o-din:This is how I set mine up. I also switched it over to three ball play. It just seemed like the right thing to do on this particular machine. Mine looks very well preserved, but yours looks brand new! Congrats on a job well done.
Is it set for replay or add a ball on 3 ball play?
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4 Square is a game i regret selling from my collection because of playability first and sentimental reasons too. Man i miss the sounds of the bells/gongs on that game. Great find on the Astro...doesn't look like it has many plays on it from the pic's.
Quoted from ccotenj:yea... actually, i wouldn't mind an aab at all...
yea, i still like mine too... it's a good fun pinball machine... it's my best friend's favorite, and swmbo actually likes the art (go figure)... it isn't going anywhere...
yup...
it is in a good home... you have visitation rights if you are ever in the area...
Thanks...is my scheduled PM index card still inside the game?
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Here's a game i looked at sometime ago.The game played through without any problems and needed 50 +hours of work.I passed on it and regret not grabbing it at the time.Priced on the low end too.What was i thinking that day.
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Quoted from boilerman:just finished these two
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Your not wasting anytime restoring games these days. I like your style and want to say thanks for making them so nice too. It seems like the ones you don't keep go to good homes that will cherish and enjoy them for many years.Keep up the great work!
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Quoted from jrpinball:Vic worked his magic on the "no longer somewhat ragged Cross Town", he schlepped home in his Caddy a little over a week ago. Behold!852.jpeg (Click image to enlarge)
It's going to need a little more of his special touch, but it's playing through a game now, and looks (and smells!) worlds better than it did nine days ago.
Joe here are a few more pic's as the restoration is moving along better than expected.I installed the striker or clapper for the 0-9 unit one point bell tonight along with cleaning and adjusting the alternating relay which was causing a problem.Also i clipped a few turns off the spring on the the subway doors to get a good snap to open and close them. Cleaned and gapped the pops and flipper switches and cleaned the center target two stepping units. Played a few games to check my work and to hear all the three bells ringing together for the first time in about 30 years.
Quoted from boilerman:Jr. Vic doesn't have a lot of elbow room in his shop! looks like he is getting tight on space.
Yeah....with 40 games and 4 games rooms in the house now, it might be time to evaluate my space condition. I did find a home for the Cross Town for the time being though since finishing up the restoration.
If i move the metal shelves and push the games in the garage back against the wall...i might gain some valuable space.
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Quoted from jrpinball:Vic worked his magic on the "no longer somewhat ragged Cross Town", he schlepped home in his Caddy a little over a week ago. Behold!852.jpeg (Click image to enlarge)
It's going to need a little more of his special touch, but it's playing through a game now, and looks (and smells!) worlds better than it did nine days ago.
Got over 60 hours into the Cross Town and need another 10 hours of extra fine tuning before it makes down into the the basement gameroom with the other wedgeheads.
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Quoted from PinballFever:No wonder I couldn't "tell the difference".
The back glass has been upgraded to a better condition one too. I will post some before pictures when I get a chance of the Cross Town.
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Quoted from Vic_Camp:Picked up this Golden Arrow beauty on Tuesday night. Only 17,000 plays. This is the same game that JR sold at the Allentown in May 2015.GA 6-17-15 078.JPG
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:Great looking Golden Arrow Vic! Looks like you got to one before I did, Congrats!
Ken
Thanks Ken...I am enjoying the game play and been looking for one for awhile. Chasing yellow arrows for 5k,green bulls eye targets for 10k and special on moving numbers 1 thru 10 keeps a player on their toes. GA 6-17-15 081.JPG
Quoted from EMsInKC:Hard to believe that game is original. Looks like it just came out of the box.
Here's my Top Card playfield that HSA is doing for me. I'll do the playfield swap when I get it back.
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Is the Top Card playfield an NOS or ?
Quoted from jrpinball:Vic, you're my hero for grabbing that game. You paid up for it, but I think it's well worth it. Now it has a perfect NOS glass in it too. Can't wait to see that gem in your collection! It's gotta go downstairs ASAP! That game, "Cross Town" and "Top Card". I'll help you move them when I get a chance.
BTW- time flies. That was May 2014; last year's Allentown show.
Joe your right it was May 2014......I can't believe how fast time is moving these days. I better get going ASAP on the work ahead of me before the clock runs out....ha ha
This Saturday I plan on moving out the GA and CT into the driveway or somehow fit them inside the front of the garage near the work bench (if the day calls for rain) to pull out my Bally 1951 three card Coney Island bingo which is going to the 5th floor gameroom to be set up for play there.
Next I need to break down the 1954 Gay Time bingo (magic line and magic pockets game) and put that game from my collection into the outside wooded shed for pick up when Nick B. gets here. This stored Gay Time taking from my collection in the garage gameroom is going to Nick B's collection along with the free 1955 Bally Night Club bingo(turning corners game) I have had for near 15 years. Nick B. is planning on driving to my place to pick up these two Bally Bingo's and spend the day.
The 1973 Bally Blue Chip and the 1954 Bally Gay Time I bought with the Golden Arrow as a package deal last Saturday are going into my collection in the garage gameroom in place of the GT and CI.
I don't know if I will have enough time or strength to remove the shelving on the wall to make room to put back two wedgeheads.
I still need to push all the bingos against the wall for more space in the garage gameroom...might have to work all day Sunday on that portion of the job or schedule at another time.
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Quoted from Ring-Them-Bells:That back-to-back was a good idea. Is that a Lady Luck I see??
Quoted from PinballFever:Looks good. I see you have bingo games. Are they fun to play?
Flipper pinball is like playing checkers...fun
Bingo pinball machines are like playing chess...thinking and skill
fun too(when you win)
My Gay Time bingo ....has numbered lines that move and the balls can hop from one hole to another. Look it up on bingo.cdyn
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Quoted from PinballFever:Nice. I used to think they looked "boring" without flippers but lately I've been thinking it might be fun to have a working one.
Have you listened to the podcast FOR AMUSEMENT ONLY.....?(em & bingo pinball machine podcast)
http://foramusementonly.libsyn.com/
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Before and after...garage gameroom retrofit update.It's not 100% complete and the line up might change in the future,but i don't feel cramped in anymore and i did get to add to more pins to my collection.
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I remember playing this game back in the late 1960's on the boardwalk down the Jersey shore. The zipper flippers featured attracted me to drop some coin into the slot and try a game. The ball didn't didn't stay in play much and was not easy to make the shots you needed to win some replays either or win a game by score. Hard to compete against the machine when it isn't player friendly.Maybe leveling the game to the players advantage might help with keeping the ball in play more and therefore getting to make some of the extra features this game has to offer.
How many bells are in this game?
Thanks for the pic's.
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Very happy with my new 1961 Bally Bikini Bingo which arrived yesterday. Original glass, original paint. Many thanks to Coos and Frans for doing a amazing job and bringing this baby back to life.
Nice looking Bally Bikini Bingo. I use to have a Bikini in my collection and thought it to be one of the top of the list bingos of all time up there next to Golden Gate and Silver Sails.
Is the playfield factory original?
The futurity feature is great for home use. It does take a lot of playing time to build up the futurity feature to the top level.
Enjoy the game play!
Here are some pictures of my newly acquired 1955 EM Bally Bingo Pinball called Gay Time. I picked up this low played beauty in a package deal from a top of the line collector from Sparta NJ in July. This game came from Ohio recently and the owner was an older man in his late 80's that had the game for over 50 years. He was a customer of Jeffrey Lawton who serviced the game throughout the years he owned it.
It is in remarkable original condition and the best condition original 1950's woodrail bingo i have ever laid eyes on. Just the other day i sold the Gay Time from my collection that i thought was extra clean and low played, but after cleaning up this one i noticed it was in better condition. Check it out....
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Welcome to the world of EM's.
I had a Super Soccer in my collection 15 years ago and had chance to buy it back last month. If I had the space it would be back in my collection. Good player and nice looker for sure. The animation is icing on the cake too. Enjoy your 1st EM...and it might not be your last EM. Nice Find!
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Quoted from kovalski3:If I knew it was that nice , I would have bought it. Lol
Enjoy!
I got 5 hours into just cleaning it up....the mechanics is going to cost me many endless hours.
Quoted from stashyboy:I bet there's a few switches and relays in that one huh?
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Quoted from Craig:Looks better than I do, and I'm four years younger.
Laid dormant in a home here in NJ since 1961..check out the years of dirt just dripping off...
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United internal mechanical parts are different than Bally bingos. The playfield design is a tiny bit different with no plastic pillar tower lights and less springs and more. If you look at the pictures carefully of a Bally Gay Time and the United Tropics you will find out just how different they are.
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Here is the Jet Spin I had in my collection but sold 10 years ago to a friend 2 miles from my house. I might have a chance to buy it back. The condition is off the charts. It might be time to sell my pool table to make some space.
Williams Lady Luck pinball machine plays just like the card game Black Jack is played remember this. The double digit score reels are the players Black Jack points in his hand just like if he was playing a Black Jack card game in a casino. The dealers hand card points comes up on backglass after each ball is played in the lower right corner,usally the dealer has 17,18 19 20,or the dealer can "bust" giving the player a free ball even if the player has also busted beyond the 21 point limit. If a player goes above 21 points in his double digit score reels during the ball being played the right side lane gate opens.
If the ball goes through the right side open gate during that time it allows the player to shoot the ball over again. When the player does shoot the ball back up into the top arch there is a switch that resets the the double digit score reels back to zero giving a player a chance once again to get 21 or beat the dealers hand at the end of the ball played. If the player makes 21 on his double score reels during any of his 5 balls he must at that present time let the ball drain down without hitting or letting the 21 card value change. Once this is done the player is awarded a free game, plus a extra ball to be played over for letting the ball drain.
If the player has a better Black Jack hand at the end of each ball the player is awarded a extra ball. Lets say the 1st player double digit score reel card points are 20 when the ball drains, at that moment the dealers card point value will appear in the lower right section of the backglass, if the dealers card points are 19 the player wins the hand with 20 and is awarded a extra ball.If you want to beat this game by high score which isn't easy to do,you must get the ball in both side kick out holes which in turn will light the center 100 point pop bumper. The 100 point pop bumper resets after every ball,so you must continously hit the 100 point pop bumper to increase your score value when you have the 100 point pop bumper lit. Again the game plays just like the card game....Black Jack does.
Here's another great Williams single player 1960's game that's another great player. A close friend in NJ and I picked this Lucky Strike up a few months and he already restored the game with over a 100 hours of labor. He had a party to weekends ago and i couldn't stop playing it. It has low plays and has been in a home here in NJ since early 1970's.
Quoted from o-din:Not many left in that condition I'm sure. Another Norm Clark that is a great multiplayer is Jolly Roger. Mine is player condition at best, but does it play! The left shot back to the top is one of the hardest I've got. Some games it doesn't happen, but when it does you get rewarded.
The game looks like another great player from Williams in this era. Loved to play it someday.
Quoted from Pinballprowess:If that collector's name was Al... than that is the same River Boat I have in my collection.
Seems likely, as I can't imagine this happens too often.
At least not the same title anyway.
Yes...Al Perez
I used to work with him at ADP in Roseland NJ 20+ years ago. I got him started collecting pins back then. He has a nice Pit Stop too.
The pinball world is small.
Quoted from pinwiztom:That BG looks pretty good, as most WMS Lady Lucks that i have seen always seems to have flaking near the bottom.
The game was in a home "family room" for a long time before I bought it and I was lucky the backglass was nice.
Quoted from Vic_Camp:Very nice 4 player...looks like Happy Clown without the stand up targets.
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That Big Brave looks real nice Mike.
I am shopping this North Star for a friends aunt I grew up with back in the 1960's. The game hasn't been played since the 1970's.
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It's not as bad as the pictures make it look after using every inch of the basements 18 x 28 space to the extreme to fit in my 25 wedgeheads. In the corner near my Atlantis, if I have to get to Drop a Card or High Hand then all I have to do is move out my Sing Along and I can slide the glass off either game and pulling either game forward gets behind to service the heads. Check out the pictures from 2007 to get a better idea of my space condition in my basement gameroom.
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Quoted from greenechidna:Wow....what a page!
Eye candy overdose
Someone show me a Spinout and a 4Square to round things out....
Here you go.
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Carefully touched up as part of the restoration. Here's a couple before pics
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You have a special talent.
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Here's another North Jersey collectors collection who's avatar is DROP TARGET here on pinside. This guy grew up playing add a balls and has been relentlessly collecting 10+ years. All of the machines in his line up have hundreds of quality restoration hours performed by himself and all the games play excellent too. I always looking forward to hanging out with him or playing his fine collection.
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I've played Drop Targets Jungle King many times and like the game play. The captive pop bumper is a nice feature and reminds of my 1968 Williams (2 player) Lady Luck, which I think is a great player. I also like the 10 star rollovers that have to be adjusted so perfectly to get them to work with ease. There is really not much to dislike about the game. Glad you to hear about your love for the EM's. Keep up the great work!
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Quoted from o-din:Vic was right. This one's great! Thank you sir.
Here's my Lady Luck I was fortunate to find in a home just 2 miles from my house.
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I played Aquarius on location and have a real nice one in my collection too. When the player completes the number sequence the special light alternates from the 1,3,4,11 and 12 on both kick out holes and stand up targets. Nice find!
Thanks for the info.
What are the measurements of the basement? I see some metal ductwork, is there central air in the house or just a forced warm air heating system. Looks like your running out of space? Keep up the good work!
Quoted from Otaku:Picked this up tonight at a shop I and a few other guys share for arcade and pinball repair, from an arcade friend that passes any EMs he comes across to me since he can't fix them. Gave him $100 (our usual price) and I know that was quite a bit more than he paid.
Space Mission/Space Odyssey absolutely takes the cake for the pinball machine I see the most on Craigslist and eBay times 10 around here, like if there was a top 10 Space Mission/Space Odyssey would take the top 5 spots here on the East coast. I see at least 1-3 a month, it's weird.
Anyways, needs some simple rewiring and love (it's definitely a project) but I think it will turn out pretty nice. They made thousands upon thousands of both variants (11,652 Mission, 4,300 Odyssey), I guess that's why you see them so much. Kinda bummed it's something everybody has (hah) but I'll still fix it up and get it going and hope it's a keeper. Since they were so incredibly common and usually pretty cheap I kind of strayed away from ever wanting one and it kind of turned me off from owning one but this one found me so I'll just have to grow to love it. At least I like the art, and I love the moving target idea that is always looping back and forth and not triggered one direction by a hit like on my Mayfair which uses a cool moving target that travels from side to side based on being hit. Should be a fun player.
Came with original manual and other goodies too I think, I didn't check inside the magic envelope yet.
I had three Space Missions pass through my hands and kept the really nice one out of the bunch in my collection for a while. It's a real good player with great artwork. I think you are going to enjoy having this one in your line up. Your playfield looks real good in the pictures. How's the cabinet condition and how many plays on the game meter? The top arch doesn't look too have to much wear.
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Quoted from hoov:Replays are fun in a "home play" environment too! Especially games like North Star, Kings and Queens, Atlantis, etc., where they're was no aab made.
They're good on location and in a "home play" environment. I have 12 GTB em replay's set up currently on free play. And, it's neat if people set their games to take coins too.
You have to add Sweet Hearts to your list. It's a sensational Replay game!
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My Abra Ca Dabra finally made the line up in the garage gameroom after blocking my work bench for months after i completed my restoration and had no where to put it. It won't be staying there too long. I will be bring it down into the basement gameroom soon.
As you can see the Cross Town use to have the spot there back to back with the Golden Arrow but was brought down into the basement gameroom.
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I remember back in 1971(I was 15 yrs old)our local vendor(Vito) un-boxing this game on the back of his old Chevy pickup truck and hauling it into the candy store for all us foaming at the mouth pinball junkies to give it a try. For sure this wedge head was an instant success. Us players had never seen a pin so spectacular with 20 colorful drop targets that seemed to disappear after being knocked down into the play field. It was a truly magical treat for us addicted players to have at our fingertips such a dynamic, fun, player friendly pinball to play for a dime or 3 plays for a quarter.
Quoted from Otaku:With how many games have past through your hands I wonder how many of those exact machines secretly ended up being the ones you played back in the day.
I sometime wonder too if out of the 150+ games i pulled out of the New Jersey area that one might be a game i played as a kid.
My King of Diamonds did come from a home in Toms River NJ which is only 3 miles from Seaside Hts Casino Arcade on the boardwalk where i played a King of Diamonds back in 1968. I often wonder if my King of Diamond in my collection came from the Casino Arcade.
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Quoted from Otaku:Snapped some pics a few days ago - a bit messy, with the holidays hustle and bustle and all!
I see you've been clearing out some furniture that was in the way of setting up more games in your basement collection? The new additions looks great!
Quoted from hoov:You don't see Skipper come up for sale very often. Like the backglass.
My neighbor who I only met once that lives almost directly behind my house has a Skipper. In the 25 years I been living here, I never seen a glimpse of it. I wonder where Steve who lives close by me here in NJ got his Skipper from.
Quoted from twoplays25c:I don't own many EMs, but I love mine!
Two of my favorites. Traded the Jet Spin with regrets but still have the Target Pool and it isn't going anywhere soon either. Nice pair of EM Gottlieb's you have.
Silverball Museum in Del Ray Florida is a fantastic place and our condo is only half hour away. This place won't make me miss my collection back home in NJ when I am staying in Florida. Games play great and are cared for after by the staff with pride too.
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Quoted from BlackCatBone:Nice photos, Vic. Thanks for sharing them. I've never seen such a great collection.
Do you know who owns and operates the museum?
Robert Ilvento owns both the Asbury NJ and Del Ray Silverball Museum
Quoted from Mopar:Do they have a good touch up crew? Those machines look beautiful, and some not so easy to find titles.
I wonder what color the Gottlieb slogan is on the woodrail Flipper's playfield.. Nice pics.. (T)
A good bunch of games that are in the Del Ray Siverball Museum came from the Asbury Park Museum. These machines were already restored and working nicely which gave Robert the jump start he needed to open the Del Ray location on time. I know in the early days when the Asbury Park location was first opened up in the center of town in a basement of a building, they had a guy I knew here from North Jersey that did nice clean ups and painting work on backglasses, cabinets and playfields etc.When they moved to the boardwalk location on the beach in Asbury this guy continued to work on restoring machines up until just a few year ago.
There were other people who just did trouble-shooting and repair work and others that just cleaned and waxed games. I know Robert also was buying better condition machines of the same titles and upgrading too. The Silverball Museum management team is made up of some of the most knowledgeable people in the coin op industry and is part of their success.
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The Mibs looks great next to Domino and Spin a card. I remember playing Mibs on route at the candy store and loved it because a player could light the specials by just hitting the three stand up targets. This always made me want to put another quarter in the machine. Nice addition to the collection Steve. Enjoy!
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EM restoration specialist.....Nick Raschilla had a pinball gathering today at his home in PA. Here is a sneak peak at his remarkable collection of Gottlieb wedgheads and other games.
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Check out some more close up pictures of Nick's amazing condition EM wedgeheads. Can you tell the difference of what games are painted and what are original paint?
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Here's the Corral I bought off Nick over 15 years ago that is no longer in my collection.
Go here to read instructions for the game and how specials work etc...
I drove to Nick's with my buddy Rich who lives just 2 miles from my home in NJ. Rich also has a Corral and other early 1960's wedgeheads in his collection. If I get urge to play a Corral I can always take a ride over and get my fix. Corral is a tough to beat player and can frustrate a player with its funky lower playfield design and flipper arrangement.
Quoted from Electrocute:Think outside the box. Wedgheads are a no brainer but you got to add some diversity to your collection.
Use to have more diversity through the years with the games below and enjoyed owning them, but only so much space.
2001 Gottlieb
4 ROSES
4 SQUARE Gottlieb
A-GO-GO Williams
ADDAMS FAMILY Bally
ALIEN POKER Williams
BALLY BEAUTY Bally
BATTER UP Gottlieb
BEACH CLUB Bally
BEAT THE CLOCK Williams
BIG HIT Gottlieb
BIKINI Bally
BLUE CHIP Bally
BRIGHT LIGHTS Bally
BUCK ROGERS Gottlieb
CAPTAIN FANTASTIC Bally
CENTAUR Bally
COMET Williams
CORRAL Gottlieb
CROSS TOWN Gottlieb
DIAMOND JACK Gottlieb
DOMINO Gottlieb
DUDE RANCH Bally
EIGHT BALL Bally
EIGHT BALL Bally
EIGHT BALL Bally
FAR OUT Gottlieb
FLIGHT 2000 Stern
FLIPPER POOL Gottlieb
FREE FALL Gottlieb
FUN LAND Gottlieb
FUN-FEST Williams
GAY TIME Bally
GAYETY Bally
GOLD RUSH Bally
GOLDEN GATE Bally
GRAND PRIX Williams
GUN CLUB Williams
HAUNTED HOUSE Williams
HI DEAL Bally
HIGH HAND Gottlieb
HIGH HAND Gottlieb
HOLLYWOOD Bally
HOLLYWOOD HEAT Gottlieb
HOT LINE Williams
ICE REVUE Gottlieb
JACKS OPEN Gottlieb
JET SPIN Gottlieb
JOCKEY CLUB Gottlieb
JOLLY Exhibit
JUMPIN JACK Williams
KING KOOL
KING PIN Gottlieb
LINE DRIVE Williams
MATA HARI Bally
MELODY Gottlieb
MISS BOWLING TURBO
MISS UNIVER Bally
MYSTERY Exhibit
NAPLES Williams
NASHVILLE Bally
NASHVILLE Bally
NIGHT CLUB Bally
NIGHT CLUB Bally
NIGHT RIDER Bally
PLAYBALL Gottlieb
QUARTERBACK Bally
ROAD KINGS Williams
ROLLER DERBY Bally
ROYAL GUARD Gottlieb
SEA ISLAND Bally
SEA RAY Bally
SINBAD Gottlieb
SKY KINGS Bally
SKY RIDER Chicago Coin
SKYLINE Gottlieb
SPACE INVADERS Bally
SPACE MISSION Williams
SPACE MISSION Williams
STAR POOL Williams
STOCK MARKET Bally
SUPER SOCCER Gottlieb
SUPER STAR Williams
SURE SHOT Gottlieb
TARGET POOL Gottlieb
TARGET POOL Gottlieb
TICKER TAPE Bally
TIM-BUC-TU Williams
TOP SCORE Gottlieb
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TURF KING Bally
UPPER DECK Williams
VARIETY Bally
ZIP-A-DOO Bally
Here's a nice EM you don't see or hear about. This is a very low played game I pulled from a home in New Jersey that I wish I held on to a little longer.
Quoted from NicoVolta:How often does the ball land in the lockout hole? That flipper gap is huuuuge!
It doesn't land in the kickout hole that much.
Quoted from Coyote:Really, really nice. I added that to my wishlist. Love the artwork and colors on that.
Yeah...the artwork and coloring it real nice. The game play takes some getting use to because of the flipper arrangement with the kick out hole and post. Here are some pictures before I quickly cleaned the playfield.
Quoted from Coyote:Still nice. Even before the cleanup.
Idiot EM question. The only EM I've ever owned was a Capt Fantastic, and it didn't have any of those 'mushroom' looking things that are Yellow and Red in that game there - what are those?
They are some type of bumper. When a player hits this bumper it makes a switch and scores accordingly. Bally started using this kind of design and the yellow score reels in the early 1960's on their games.
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Nice gameroom with some great Gottlieb titles!
Quoted from gearheaddropping:Wow, some gorgeous games out there. That line of wedgeheads is just glorious.
Here's a different angle picture of some wedgeheads you might like to view.
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Quoted from wayner:Picked up a GTB King Pin at an estate auction yesterday (10 hr drive each way). Machine has not been operated for a couple of decades & is in pretty dismal condition but I am optimistic that it will come up ok. What is under the tape below the arch on the upper pf is the million dollar question. I was told by an attendee at the auction that the machine had been housed upstairs in a café/arcade & was used to secret cannabis for sale??
Also picked up an antique National cash register (this model used extensively in Australia) which I want to restore locate in my diner & use for holding my machine coins.
Playfield looks pretty good(strong coloring).....Nothing like saving a game nobody else would.
After having my Royal Guard in my collection for over 13 years I was forced to sell it to make room for a Cross Town and Abra Ca Dabra the last two games I restored recently. It went to good home in England, Liver Pool, but already is missed.
I put the Cross Town in its spot in the basement gameroom and the Abra Ca Dabra that was blocking my work bench is in the garage gameroom with my Bally Bingo Pinball collection.
Quoted from jrpinball:Oh, my my. Why did I ever part with that "Golden Arrow"?
You didn't think it was a good player?
I don't use the manual info to get the slope on my games. Below is how I leveled my Golden Arrow.
For the back legs: measure from the floor to the bottom of the leg and raise until you have 1 1/2" high.
For the front legs: Turn leg leveler in and lower all the way down as far as you can go until level.
Quoted from BorgDog:Thanks Vic, I'll check when i'm back home at the end of the week, but that sounds fairly close to how mine is setup as well. I just love chasing the big bell, always makes me smile
Yeah, I love the wedgeheads that have a set of chimes and a big gong bell. My Big Hit has the chimes and big bell and game play is superb on that great player. I hope I never have to choose between the Golden Arrow and Big Hit.
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Quoted from jrpinball:There was one briefly at the Silverball Museum. That's the first place I ever played one. There used to be a lot more EMs there, and ones you don't see very often, but the newer stuff is starting to crowd out the vintage classics. Boo hiss!
All the EM's from Asbury went to the Del Ray Florida beach Silverball Museum location.
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Quoted from hoov:Pf should clean up nicely. Need to replace a dt too.......
I am scheduled to go look at an Eye of the Tiger tomorrow. I would be great to hear everyone's opinions about this games playability, looks, value, etc. Is this game sought after?
Quoted from Vic_Camp:I am scheduled to go look at an Eye of the Tiger tomorrow. I would be great to hear everyone's opinions about this games playability, looks, value, etc. Is this game sought after?
I passed on the game only because I didn't want to do the restoration it deserves. The games condition was decent but would require way too much clean up and the back glass wasn't great nor was the playfield for my taste. The game overall would be presentable if someone is willing to put tons of work into it.
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What...no picture of JR's Bowling Queen. I tell you....it played very good. On my second game about 9:15am during Saturday's show at Allentown I dropped all 12 balls in the backglass, while its owner JR video taped the game for the record. I was glad to hear our longtime good pinball buddy John bought the game to add to his already awesome EM collection.
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Quoted from TopMoose:Memorial Day weekend means it's time for my biannual shop job!
Nice games. Where are you buying the color rubber rings?
Quoted from TopMoose:Titanpinball.com
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Quoted from dasvis:The women on the backglass look very similar to the ones on Bally bingo pins, perhaps same artist?
Here's a few shots from my United Tropic's early 1950's bingo pinball.
Could be the same artist?
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Quoted from Phillips88:Picked this up today. Wasn't really looking for one, but couldn't pass up on the price. Happy that I did because it turned out really nice after cleaning it up and it's a fun player. Hundred point bell sounds awesome when hit for 500 points!
Another underrated wedgehead and not sought after by collectors. I remember playing this game on route and the players back then were crazy for this game. Lots of quarters lined up on the playfield glass every time I walked into the candy store to play it. The 100 point gong bell really is loud when it fires off! Nice addition to your collection. Good pick up. I have mine for over 20 years.
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I remember back in the late 1960's playing Domino at the corner candy store just 50ft from our home. Lots of quarters stacked on the playfield glass waiting to slide down the coin slot into the metal coin box. There was a older son of the store owner who was my mentor growing up. I was 12 years in 1968 when Domino first appeared and he must have been in his early 20's. what a great player he was. I can still see him flipping away at lit kickout holes while lit for special and sending the ball in at will.
Anyway i learned from the best and the Domino in my collection i scored 11,263 points on 7-18-03 with 10 replays Just recently i had another great game beating my Domino for 13 replays, but failed to beat my all time high score of 11,263 points.
9071 points is a great game. Glad to hear about it.
I remember there being a Pretty Baby in one of the Seaside Hts boardwalk arcades back in the late 1960's. I'd drop a nickle or two into it, but never more. Back then any money i dropped into a game mostly likely had Special When Lit feature so i could win and extend my playing time, which was all i cared about.Beating the machines on route for free replays was all that mattered to me. Today i feel the same way but not as important as it was when i played on route.
Quoted from jrpinball:Please give photo credits when applicable!
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Quoted from kovalski3:This was my machine. It was the first pin that I ever owned. I didn't know anything about machines at the time. It had changed hands 2 times that morning before I got it. As soon as I bought it, someone offers me $200 more than I paid. I kept it for a while, but i eventually sold it to another collector. It was in amazing condition. I always regretted selling it.
I know Rob had a hand on it....did you sell it to Rob? Who ended up with that game? My wife fell in love with the dancing doll animation and liked playing it for that reason.
The playfield looks nice . I remember playing a Big Top on the boardwalk in Seaside hts NJ. I like two score reels in the center of the backglass too. I wonder how many more two player games have two score reels in the same location. Sweet looking machine. Send more pictures please....
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That North Star has a extremely nice playfield. I can't find a bit of wear anywhere in the pictures. Most of the time they have some sort of kick out hole wear. The kick out holes are nice and sharp around the edges too. Looks like the game might have some low plays on it. What's the game meter read? I bet the inside of that game is extra clean too.
If you can take a picture of the top arch wear and an inside of the cabinet. The backglass looks very nice also another indication perhaps that it was stored properly through the years and not played much. Is the backglass a plexi-glass? If seen a few North Stars with them. Your going to love that game as a player.
Just as I suspected....your 50+ year old North Star for sure has some low plays judging by the top arch wear and the very nice playfield condition with no flipper drag marks or kick out hole wear. That playfield is going to come out sensational after a clean up and waxing. Inside cabinet does look clean too. Didn't get much play on its early years and not much play in its later years. Sat in storage for a while I bet. Thanks for all the pictures.
Maybe some close up detailed shots of the playfield will be the "icing on the cake" for me and put me to rest for my evaluation on this game and will help determine my prediction on how many plays I think the game had in its lifetime.
For sure North Star in my book is rated in the top ten best wedgeheads of all time out of the 100+ manufactured by Gottlieb. Like I said before...your going to love this games playability.
The black outlined circular ring around the color lenses are almost perfect without any wear. There is a hint of wear from the left kick out when the ball ejects near one of the yellow color lens on the left side of the playfield. The pop bumper area is nice and clean without any signs of wear from the ball getting hammered down into the playfield by the metal pop bumper rind which is good indication of low plays along with the top arch wear, which isn't heavy at all..
There is a slight crack in the playfield from the left yellow rollover button to the top left pop bumper located near the left kick out and the yellow star rollover has a some slight planking too....but that's not from ball play wear its just from old age. It looks like there might be some slight flipper drag near from the left flipper. (make sure you rebuild both flippers to avoid more wear by the flippers.
Overall I would still stand by my guess that this game is a low played machine that just didn't get played like most in 1964 and throughout its lifetime. Without being in front of the game with a bright light and gliding my hands across the playfield to feel the smoothness and feel the height of the color lens I would guess the game has around somewhere in the area of 65,000 plays...plus or minus 10,000 plays. Again it is very hard to say if this is accurate or not since we don't have a game meter in the machine and we don't know how well is was maintained throughout its life span.
Take a look at this video of my Golden Arrow...it has 17,000 plays but has been cleaned up and polished to perfection.
There are two more videos that I did about game condition on my Jacks Open which has 23,000 plays and my Sure Shot. Find them on my you tube page and see how the plays on the game meters on these two games relate to the games condition.
Here's my Jacks Open at
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Picked this game up the other day and have been working on it. I had another one about 20 years ago, but sold it to a friend 2 miles from my home who still has it.
This game has been sitting for the last 30 years or so and was for sure a parts game for some vendor at one point. It was missing the out hole metal arm assembly, back door and channel, lock down bar, top arch rebound rubber, instruction card. I had most of the missing parts in stock except the channel and instruction card. Does anyone have an extra original instruction card or any other extra score cards?
The game is coming real out nice after repairing mostly all the problems and there were many. Even though the game had been sitting for a very long time.....it was in a good environment and is dry and clean inside.
I'll post more pictures and information as I continue to restore this great player!
Quoted from pinzrfun:Thanks, I'm really happy! It was a mile from my house - guy bought it in 1980, he still had the receipt in the cabinet, it's been sitting in his basement basically untouched for 37 years. Crazy.
How many plays on the game meter? Looks like a low played game.
Nice find.
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I had to dig deep into my collection of pictures for these photo's and i don't think i ever posted them here before. I took them all in the same location.
Obviously not my games.
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After two and a half years of putting off bring down my Golden Arrow from the garage gameroom jrpinball and i completed this excruciating task. We relocated,disassembled,reassembled,releveled and did some very minor maintenance, repair and fine tuning on over 10+ machines in my collection. This work has helped my chronological order a great deal and new looking line up feels great in my tightly fit space of 25 Gottlieb wedgeheads. There are a couple of videos on my Vic Camp Pinball youtube pages of this accomplishment if anyone would like to view.
Quoted from Mopar:Now that's my type of Game Room! Looks like you pretty much have them
all. Or might there be 1 or 2 you still may have an eye out for?
Honestly i haven't been looking to add any new games to my line up the last 10 or 15 years.
But......I just picked up a King Pin a month ago and sold Royal Guard a year ago after having it in my line up for 13 years. This year i let go of an Abra Ca Dabra after only having it in my line up for a year.
Quoted from jsf24:Here's a pic for you woodrail fans. I took a quick pic on my way out of a portion of the line up I was playing tonight. The picture quality is not that great but I assure you the game play quality was. The Diamond Lil and Jockey Club are mine. The Dragonette and Lady Luck are my neighbor Brian's where the games currently reside.
Lady Luck is my favorite in that 4 pack.
Quoted from Budman:Pinball Mecca! Someday I hope to make the journey. I would like to hear what it sounds like with every game playing at the same time !
Here's a sample of what it "sounds like"
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=vic+camp+pinball&&view=detail&mid=69AFAAAF7371133F651E69AFAAAF7371133F651E&FORM=VRDGAR
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Quoted from DropTarget:Thanks Vic
Hopefully I can play a game on it when I get back home from Florida at the end of the month?
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Quoted from hoov:Three latest restorals.....
It’s so good to see these older short flipper games restored for years of future use. They look awesome! Do any of them have repro playfield?
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Here's a picture of my friends basement gameroom in the making.I thought I post these pictures as a reference for anyone that might need them.....the Jet Spin and King Pin he bought off me over 10 years ago or more.They were in my collection and were restored by me. He has since then added a few more games to his collection. The Jacks Open I found for him too. I vaguely remember where I got the JO from. I know it was guy who had maybe a Buckaroo and another game and was here in NJ.
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Quoted from pinheadpierre:I picked up a San Francisco and a Moulin Rouge a little over a year ago as learning objects. Neither worked.
They were cosmetically and mechanically in bad shape. I used them to practice playfield and cabinet restoration figuring that I couldn't make them any worse. Both got extensive playfield paint work and clear coats. The cabinets got stripped and repainted inside and out. Nearly every switch got cleaned, polished and adjusted. I remade all of the plastics for Moulin Rouge. Now that they are pretty much done I have happily discovered that I really enjoy playing them, too! (I wasn't sure that would be the case since I had never played a good dialed in example of either one.) Next up in the project queue - Old Chicago and Space Mission.
It's always a great feeling for me to see others restoring the EM's and sharing their pictures here. Thanks and enjoy those great players.
I came across these pictures courtesy jrpinball or his brother and noticed that the playfield looks a lot like Volley. These pictures I am posting here are also on IPDB but no name who put them there. What's interesting is the other day when I was playing my Volley, I said to myself it would be nice if Gottlieb had a added a stand up target near the top rollovers of the playfield. The other thing is this game is manufactured by Playmec as an EM. See pictures at IPDB.
It looks like the Firestar was made before Gottlieb's Volley according to the dates.
Check it out.
http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?any=volley&search=Search+Database&searchtype=quick#5366
http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?any=volley&search=Search+Database&searchtype=quick#5449
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Quoted from Doodbird:Organizing the barn today...need To get busy on the EMs.
What Bally Bingo is that in the first picture in lower left side at the bottom of the page?
Looks like a late 1960's or 70's?
Maybe a 20 hole?
DOUBLE UP?
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Quoted from DropTarget:I'm not sure if he was serious. (were you Vic?)
I might have traded my King Pin for it straight up.
Quoted from DropTarget:I can't let go of anything, you know that.
And I'm liking Luck Strike. It's a challenge to beat.
You did a great job on that Lucky Strike. I'm only 12 minutes away if i want to play that sensational player. I had a better chance at pulling one of your teeth rather than getting a trade for that beauty.
Quoted from Robo1:Here is a few of my 50's and 60's Gottliebs. I love theses games!
Looking good!
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Here's a game I purchased from a collector in Canada and picked up at the Allentown show, I think in 2006. I Brought it home and got it cleaned up and working 100%, but only had it for a short period of time, since I already had a low played near perfect Jacks Open in my collection. Being its a sample game I just wanted to get it out there for all to view and have reference to. Mylar on playfield.
Quoted from DropTarget:Look how empty your garage seems
This pic might have been 2005...when I started transitioning into a game room.
Quoted from Grayman_EM:Is it my eyes or does that picture have two play meter counters?
Yes...........two meters. Maybe coins in on one meter and replays won on another?
I purchased this game below at the 2002 Allentown Show parking lot (see pic) and has been in my collection ever since. Its never given me any issues after I restored it and plays really good and has been working 100% for all these years, but its time for it to go to a new home after I go through the game again. I will be posting it for sale soon.
The game doesn't have any sling shots or plastic's and isn't like most other wedgeheads, but this unique design playfield layout is a sensational player (read my game play write up below in my next posting). I have fond memories of playing this great player thousands of plays at my grandmothers basement which was just a few doors down from our house back in 1965 to 1970.
I purchased a better condition Show Boat while I was in Florida vacationing from a great seller from PA and he brought it to this years Allentown Show for me after I wired the payment to him. Although I didn't attend this years show for the first in 20+ years, I managed to have a close friend get the game and bring it safely to my home, where I have been restoring it since May 8th. I will post some pictures of my newly acquired Show Boat soon when I complete the restoration.
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Quoted from pinwiztom:Wishing you luck on your pin sale and new restore pin project.
Never been a big fan of Showboat nor Big Casino (in that GTB early 60s era)
Do you have the flippers wired on Showboat
to flip in pairs or left and right handed?
I have to rewire my brain whenever I play that game.
The Show Boat wiring on the flippers is factory original. When a player presses left flipper button, both left flippers between rollovers "A" and "B" swing forward at the same time. The right flipper button when pressed swings both right flippers between rollovers "B" and "C" forward at the same time too. I know of other collectors that have altered the original flipper design and prefer the factory design, which to me is easier for the player to get use to.
I found out through the years that most collectors/players find the game not desirable mostly because of the flipper arrangement. It takes some practice to get acclimated to the flippers arrangement and once you do this game becomes a sensation player. The six pop bumper arrangement which all six pops are close to one another makes for exciting ball action for the player and executes the sequence of rolling under the color gates. Normally in Gottlieb EM's you will only have one or two roll under gates on a game, but Show Boat has four.
The first time all four colored roll under gates are made it allows the center "B" rollover located between the flippers to increase from 100 point (which a player automatically gets at the start of the game) to 200 points. The second time a player rolls under all four gates it lights the first Special in the center "B" rollover. The third time a player rolls under all four gates it lights the second Special in the center "B" and the fourth time a player rolls under all four gates it lights the third and final Special for a total of three Specials awarded for making the center "B" rollover. Wait there's more....when a player rolls under all four gates for a fifth time they are rewarded a replay for doing this and if a player rolls under all four gates a sixth time or seventh time or eight time they will receive a replay every time.
Ok...this games sequence of operation even gets better. Normally when a player has a great game and is accomplishing rolling under all four gates multiple times as listed above and is receiving replays and sounding off the knocker each time by the amount of Specials lit, the player can not forget that they will be reaching the four high scores for replays too. Let me explain what this means..... not only by making the "B" rollover with the three Specials lit for three replays, but the player is also collecting 200 points in the "B" rollover which will add to the high score and give a player replays for high score.
Lets say the player has all three specials lit in the "B" rollover on his fourth ball in play and at the moment his score is 1300 points and he will receive replays at 1400 and 1500 points (according to the score card), so when and if the player drops the ball through the "B" rollover on their fourth ball in play they will get 5 replays at one time. Yes.....It will sound off the knocker 5 times (pop,pop,pop,pop,pop,) and if the his last 5th and final ball he drops through the "B" rollover he can extend his replays to four or five more.
Now your thinking this game couldn't possibly offer more to the player...but here comes the finale or icing on the cake with the great playing wedgehead. If a player makes all three rollovers "A" "B" "C" they are awarded an extra 100 points to their total score and lights two match numbers at the end of the game. Yeah it has a double match feature.
Oh, I almost forgot to mention about the long stretched out triple rollover lanes on each side of the playfield that score 10 or 100 points depending on when the 10 point pop bumpers are lit. The pop bumpers will light for ten points and alternate when a player rolls under any colored gate. The long stretched out triple rollover lanes score 10 or 100 points.
The credit wheel on Show Boat goes well over the standard 15 digit wheel (maybe as high as 28 credits) on most all other wedgeheads and Gottlieb needed to do this because Show Boat is a game I plan on beating for more than 15 replays in one five ball game.
If anyone really gives themselves a chance to get use to the flipper arrangement on this game, they might think different about what kind of player this wedgehead truly is.
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Quoted from ckcsm:If anyone really gives themselves a chance to get use to the flipper arrangement on this game, they might think different about what kind of player this wedgehead truly is.
Vic, wow what a write up.
I bought one about a year ago, it has a beautiful playfield but the backglass has some paint loss along the bottom.
Mine needs some monor fixes, so I'll have to get it going after reading I'll have to give it a go again.
Don't short change yourself on this sleeper of a wedgehead. Make sure you devote enough time to get use to the flipper arrangement. The game does have to be shopped to perfection in order to get the best play out of it. Its especially important to fine tuned every switch on top of and under the playfield and the game over and tilt relay on the large trip bank in the lower cabinet too. If the game isn't shopped and fine tuned you might not be able achieve the play to conquer the games featured sequence of operation for all of its replays and Specials when lit.
Quoted from Otaku:Long time no see. Not a machine but working on a new interactive guide to beat my old one as a part of a much healthier and less controversial comeback of my true self. Coming back to help out around the EM tech forums and staying away from any general or controversial discussion.
Welcome back. I like your colored animated switch stack pictorial.
Quoted from tengle93:Just added a new wedgehead to my lineup. Been looking for a Sky Jump for awhile but when this one showed up for $150 I “jumped” on it! I think it’s the coolest backglass! Good to see you’re back with a new positive vibe, good for you and good luck with your arcade venture.
What a find! The backglass looks better than a 7+ in the picture. Post some more pictures of the complete game when you get a chance. I would love to view them. Nice addition to your collection for sure.
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I completed my "A" copy Show Boat restoration this weekend and place it into my line up. I really enjoyed working on this low played beauty and knew it would come out nice, once I worked my magic on the game.The "B" copy Show Boat which was in my collection for 15 years is now seeking a new home.
I've had couple and seen other early 1960's Gottlieb wedgeheads with the slim cabinets, but this "A" copy is by far the best condition one I've ever owned. It's a game I played over a 1000 times or more in my grandmothers house (only a few doors down from our house) back in the mid 1960's to 1970's.
Read my Show Boat game play posting at #10852 or was it #10857....
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Quoted from MikeO:Is it HUO, Vic? Sure looks like it.
I don't think it's HUO. It was most likely on route for just a shorter period of time than the normal for that era game. The cabinet edges are very sharp all around which indicates it hadn't been moved around a lot through the years. The previous owner had it many years and so did the owner before him. I'm loving every minute of its condition for a 57 year old pinball machine and was a nice upgrade for my collection.
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Quoted from Otaku:Vic, I saw a beautiful Show Boat in a basement in a giantly remote location out in West Pennsylvania (3+ hours from me, likely 7+ hours from you) during somewhat of a bizarre pickup (had to drive through 10-20 minutes of unpaved roads, through the woods, and across a farm - scary - but still somehow a public road!) on my project Gottlieb Slick Chick. I entered his basement to see his collection, saw the Show Boat, and thought about you the whole time as it was nicer than your previous one and wondered if you would upgrade. I don't think I ever passed on the lead as it seemed kind of distant for you. I think he said he was bringing it to Pinfest. It would be funny if that was the one you ended up grabbing at the show.
Please keep me updating on the sale of the other one.
It could be the one I just bought in May and JR picked up for me at the Allentown Show. What was the persons name?
My other Show Boat that was in my collection for 15 years sold quickly. I listed it on Mr. Pinball and got a call the first day it was posted. The new owner came over this past Saturday to see and play the Show Boat and the rest is history.
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If interested, photo dump here:
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Looks really nice.......! Thanks for sharing.
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