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Trivoli, IL
Quoted from Pin-it:I really like playing the King of Diamonds one of Gottliebs top 10 IMO.
I never tire of KOD - definitely a 60"s classic similar to muscle car classics!
Quoted from Dayhuff:Here's a few quick shots of mine.
John P. Dayhuff
Battle Creek, MI.
269-979-3836
Thanks for showing us games we don't normally see - very nice John. WILC (wish I lived closer for your parties)
Quoted from Mr68:This is my EM baby. O-din stole my other child...
Playfield has been clear coated and its perfect to this day.
Kim
I can see why you're holding on to it Kim. Very nice. I'm looking for one too - just need a little patience.......
SteveFury,
I just picked this up about 3 months ago. Believe it or not the guy had it on Knoxville, Tennessee Craigslist for over a week and nobody would give him $500. I offered him $300 because I was a state and a half away and he accepted - it was worth the trip! I played this as a kid at the bowling alley and got re-aquainted at EXPO 2010 in Chicago. 9,580 plays on the meter - look at how shiny the lock-down bar acceptor is.
If you're ever in Illinois Steve stop on in and play it or go to a local show and hopefully they'll have one.
Dave
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:Man! Everyone has a C-37 in this thread. I need to join the C-37 club soon!
Not everyone Rat......still looking here too.
Quoted from Pafasa:Ok, so you three who wish you had a C37....I would like your opinion. My playfield is near perfect as far as paint goes, but the inserts are faded and cupped. Faded is not such a big deal to me because colored led's can handle that. Cupped however drives me crazy. I can't stand seeing the ball change direction on its way around. So here's the question. Would you like it more or less as a potential buyer if I had the pf surface leveled and cleared? And possible new inserts too.
Faded inserts are not a big deal to me - can you even acquire new inserts for your C-37? If the inserts are cuped slightly and don't affect game play that much I would leave them alone. If they are pretty bad I would probably go the clear route although I've never cleared a playfield. If it was cleared I wouldn't want the game to play fast which to me is not normal. Maybe varathane? Can you use the drizzle method and just level the inserts without clearing the whole pf - is that an option? Of course, jmho.
Quoted from Pafasa:Ok, so you three who wish you had a C37....I would like your opinion. My playfield is near perfect as far as paint goes, but the inserts are faded and cupped. Faded is not such a big deal to me because colored led's can handle that. Cupped however drives me crazy. I can't stand seeing the ball change direction on its way around. So here's the question. Would you like it more or less as a potential buyer if I had the pf surface leveled and cleared? And possible new inserts too.
Pafasa - I like DirtFlippers ideas on your C-37. He has done it and I haven't. I also agree with "leaving it original as much as possible" so I'm also against clear coating.
Quoted from o-din:One more before I take this beauty inside and play the heck out of it.
Play about 50 games for me would ya?
Quoted from John_in_NC:Here are a couple of my restores.
Nice games John.
Was that hard selling that El Dorado?
Quoted from John_I:Nice 2001. I bought new bulls-eye targets to put on mine. I went to do it one day and then saw how the targets are soldered into place with all those bare wires. I realized it was more than the simple 20 minute job I was hoping for, so I put it off. I need to dig back in there and finish it after seeing how nice yours look.
PT,
I replaced the bulls eye targets on my 2001. Just take off the last blade of the target assembly that holds the target and with the exact size drill bit drill the rivet out holding the old target. Place your metal piece on a flat metal table with a towel underneath. With the new target in place use a Pinball Resources semi-tubular rivet and flare it with a 3/16" flared tool like a nailset or a punch that will flare the rivet. Then, flatten with a hammer. Worked for me.
Quoted from AlexF:Here is the last one I brought home back in Dec. I don't really restore them, just clean them up and play them. It had a custom battleship gray paint job and no coin door when I brought it home. I stripped the latex gray paint off, refinished the wood, made a coin door out of an old bowler door and shopped it out. Pretty fun game.
Alex
Nice gameroom/games Alex
Quoted from pbkzo:Here are some of them. Mostly 50s and 60s.
Awesome collection
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:Hoov that is a beautiful Queen of Diamonds. I almost bought one back in 1998. I ended up buying a Bank-A-Ball instead.
You did good. I personally think the 50's games are better to look at but the classic 60's Bank a Ball that you bought is more fun to play. JMHO though.......
Quoted from John_I:I'll say!! Those pictures are dated 2003!
LOL camera date problem.......actually it's been about 2-3 years.
4 weeks later
Quoted from TheShameGovernor:Finally something to contribute! Been looking for a wedgehead to add to the lineup, and I just picked up a Gottlieb Sing Along. Backglass is blown, but the playfield cleaned up real nice. I'm still an EM newbie, so I wanted a working single player table that I could learn on as issues arise. The play counter says 4700 plays which doesn't seem like a lot to me for a 46 year old machine considering I've put about 30 games on it already.
The game is addicting as hell, and the art is incredibly charming. I'm sure I'll have some questions later.
Nice score ShameGov
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Quoted from sjohn26148:I jumped on this quickly. HUO King Pin just obtained Saturday locally. All original parts with the exception of rubber rings and light bulbs. I hope the horseshoe stays put....
Great find. Need to take that horseshoe to a riverboat 
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Nice looking King Pin sjohn - also a good player. Is yours a true HUO pin? Most em pins from this era were routed for the beginning of their life. I've come across a few pins like yours with low plays and a shiny lock down bar acceptor but never had one with the bill of sale. I've only seen one Atlantis with a bill of sale that was bought straight from a distributor for $750 and was never on location.
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Quoted from Shrub_Light:I've been wanting to jump in on this thread. Here's some pics of mine I finally took tonight. They still need a lot of TLC, but they'll get it in due time.
The Flip Flop will be going next door once I get her all tuned up. The FC, K&Q, and SA are my keepers.
Great Gottliebs you have there.
Kings & Queens was one of the 1st games I played as a kid at the local bowling alley. If it is well tuned it is a blast to play with the horizontal relay kick-out holes. Haven't played the aab Flipper Cowboy, but the Buckaroo I have has a similar playfield layout. I played a Buccaneer years ago but never a Ship Ahoy.
Quoted from ccotenj:pingulps are a required accessory on my games...
whoever posted the jacks open... that looks real nice! jacks open is a great game, i can play it for hours...
I have a Jacks Open and if you get one you won't regret it. This game is the total package - especially if you love card themed games like I do - Gottlieb was the king of them. Someone noted above that not too many surface which seems to be the case. I drove from central Illinois to Omaha, Nebraska, 9 years ago to get mine and I thought I was crazy. Best trip I ever made..........I'm not sure what these are even going for nowadays because you see so few of them for sale.
Quoted from PinHill:1963 Gottlieb Square Head.
Love the artwork on the Square Head. Among the best in that class. Never have played it though.
Quoted from Shapeshifter:And don't forget Lucky Hand the AAB of JO. I would like either.
And Capt Card is as good as above and just as hard to find.
agree
Quoted from ccotenj:i'm probably in the minority here, but i have a strong bias against aab games vs. their replay brethren... you can never "win" against a aab game... which to be fair was the objective...
even now that i'm fortunate enough to have a choice of machines of my very own to play for free, i still want to win every time i push the start button...
plus aab's weren't common in my yute, which likely contributes to my bias as well... had i grown up in an aab state, i'd probably feel exactly the opposite...
And don't forget Lucky Hand the AAB of JO. I would like either.
And Capt Card is as good as above and just as hard to find.
I'm a replay guy through and through BUT when it comes to aab's that have better rulesets, I want to try them out and give them a run for their money. Like games such as Dimension, Captain Card, etc..
But here's my question to you aab folks: When these games were out on route and they were relatively new and playing good (with some required maintenece of course), couldn't a good player win a ton of free balls? And the poor guy with a quarter on the pf glass had to wait......and wait........I had a Gold Strike that looked and played like new that I turned over 3 times and all I heard was pop, pop, pop, when I won free balls. Game time was too long for me. I ended up selling it because I was so disenchanted.
Quoted from AlexF:Hoov I'm an AAB guy and my Gold Strike experience was exactly as yours. I bought it thinking it was going to be the grail of all games and found myself "disenchanted" as you say. The game could drag on and started to feel monotonous. I'd start to zone out and lose interest. A couple times I actually shut it off. It was always fun for a game but not one that made me yearn to press start again and again. I have to think El Dorado in this case would be about perfect.
With that said a lot of AAB games are great fun. Getting to that next ball can be more exciting than popping a replay in the right game. It's like having an exciting game go into overtime. As shapshifter said though, the thresholds have to be right. No one respects a game that gives it away too easily. They have to feel earned. I have replay games and I still enjoy the thrill of beating the game and hearing that knocker. That's the goal and it feels great. With a good AAB machine you may get that thrill multiple times in one game. Your progress is saved and with each pop and the excitement builds. You may have a personal goal (high score or roll the machine) and each earned AAB gets you that much closer.
Alex
Thanks for the info. Alex
OK, time to get ready for a seasonal business we have coming up around the 1st of October. That means I have to take my projects out of the sales area and put them in the back room. Here's the 1st three against the back wall.
Believe it or not I'm most excited about shopping and playing Flying Carpet since I haven't played it since high school.
Quoted from boilerman:Dave that flying carpet loks nice, very under rated wedge head IMO. I have been looking for one local with a nice PF for a while and haven't found one yet.
I agree that it seems to be one that gets no love. One of my favorites as a youngster. Simple but challenging to get all the letters. Love the playfield layout to get above the pops in that area to knock out the targets/letters. This one was on route in my local area and this game I got was the one I played at local bowling alleys which is kind of cool too. I just happened to meet another guy at an auction earlier this spring bidding on a Sky Jump (went too high) and he lives just seven miles away from me. I traded him a project 2001 for it since I have a 2001. This one does have a nice playfield - about 70K plays but has the faded cabinet that is normal for these. Backglass is decent but I'll be looking to upgrade it if I can.
Quoted from DirtFlipper:An uncommon pair.
Very nice looking side by side.
Quoted from ccotenj:"closet raid" at hoov's!
i see a jukebox there too...
The Rockola 1448 jukebox you see in the pics is sold to a Netherlands buyer who will be here for a juke show and pick up in Nov.. The check is already in the bank
I see Lloyd at coin-op warehouse has a nice working '57 Rockola similar to mine for sale on his fb page today - I think he wanted $1450. They don't last too long at his place though. You gotta move quick......as in lightning quick. Wish I lived closer to him.
Quoted from pinster68:Here's my first EM, purchased November 2012. The first two shots are as in was in the door. The illuminated shot is after a thorough shop & parts tumble. Hard to tell in low light but it looks and plays great now. I was so impressed how well these were built. Need to buy more.
Great combo with the 2" flippers and the vari-targets. Most vari-target games have 3" flippers such as Jet Spin, Pro Football, etc.
Quoted from Craig:Fun thread! Thanks to all for the pics.
I have only one EM, a Volley, but I'd like to pick up another eventually, perhaps a Bank-a-Ball in good shape. I could easily imagine getting into EMs in a bigger way. They have such a distinctive charm, and most are still affordable. This is pinball as I remember it. Great stuff.
Craig,
I have a Bank a Ball for sale right now with pics up in the market place if you ever want to look at them. I'm in IL though ):
Dave
Quoted from Craig:Thanks, Dave. If you were a lot closer, I'd come over for a look. I think the shipping would make this unworkable, unfortunately.
By the way, I did a search in the marketplace and couldn't find it. You can send me the link by PM or post it here. It would be nice to see the machine anyway.
Craig,
Oops.......I didn't renew my Pinside machine for sale ad after it expired. There you go - it's up on the "Market" now.
Dave
Quoted from boilerman:I had them send me a few good pictures, it doesn't look to bad. only a few miles from me. I like looking at woodies but they are not a ton for fun. just picked up a kings and queens today
I sold 4 and now time to buy 4
3 more to go
Did you sell your C-37? Kings & Queens ranks right up there in the top 5 of my favorite em's
Quoted from boilerman:dave still looking for a slick chick? if let me know I know someone selling one
and I sold one c37 and the 2nd is still listed.
K&Q has been on my wish list for a while
Because of money right now I'll have to get both as projects and local - may be awhile............
Quoted from Pafasa:Very cool, Congrats!
Hoping to get this game and restore it, but the owner seems pretty firm on her too-high pricetag. It does not work (motorized reset bank runs constantly), Playfield is pretty badly worn, glass is broken but nicely duct taped! Owner bought it years ago as an "investment" spent $200 then and wants a return on her investment now. I live 75 miles away from it and can't be sure if I could even repair the reset bank. There are obsolete/unavailable parts on that unit that could be broken. I will stay in touch with them and hopefully make a deal at a fair price for each of us someday. My fair price would be no more than $100 given its condition and distance and the unknown of the reset bank problem. What do you guys think?
Look up Brian Saunders over on rgp. He is the Bally guru. I know on Gottliebs you can always part a game out for at least a couple hundred if your game is unrestorable. Someone over on rgp recently said they parted a Gottlieb em and kept something they needed and still made over $400. Not sure about parting out Bally's though. I'd think $200 would be fair for that title but not much more unless this is a game you really like and are going to keep and not sell.
Quoted from Pafasa:I'm not necessarily looking to flip the game. I like to buy and fix and play and see......
If I like it, Great! If I don't, then I dont want to be too upside down on it. I think to resell this game would take quite a bit. Doubt I'd be able to even move it with the playfield as is. If I could buy it cheap enough, it would be great as my first playfield restore project. Otherwise I am not interested.
Looks like a really fun game though. AAARRRGGGhhhhhhhh!!!
Yeah, that playfield is toast isn't it? I didn't even click on the pic. Would be a players game at best. Now were down to $100 and she probably wouldn't go for that.
Quoted from Sandals:Here are mine, not the best pics.
Wizard, Capt Fantastic and Williams Big Daddy.
Grew up with the Big daddy in the basement, and I still keep playing that one the most.
Can the boys beat "big Daddy" on Big Daddy yet? Nice games.......
Quoted from lb45:I love this post.
My contribution, with old pictures taken some years ago (early posted on Pinside)
Added a picture off the cabinet , because beautiful part of the machine too.
There's a title we don't don't see much (I have the El Dorado). Thanks for sharing.....
Quoted from jasonsmith:With lights...
Ya can't beat a bunch of Gottlieb em's in all different shapes and sizes - nice. Makes me want that Abra back I sold........
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Quoted from boilerman:moved a few thing around today so I took a few pictures
the garage
Nice wedgehead collection boilerman.....
You have a few titles I would like to have but don't have the space. I could put some in the barn but the mice would want to play them )
1 week later
Quoted from manitouguy:hoov, welcome aboard ... really nice c37!!
and I've always liked the glass and plastics art on the snow derby (would be a nice partner with funland I've always thought)
Thanks. There was a Funland at EXPO over the weekend. 1st time I played it.
Quoted from Pafasa:Welcome to the club!
Safest way to hit that lower bullseye target is backhand. Don't let the Open Elbow get you when trying to cradle on the right flipper though.
Thanks for the tip on the lower bullseye. Jacks Open took me to school on the open elbow several years ago.
Hey Pafasa, I met ovdfireman at EXPO and John Fetters sold me the game. You know these guys?
Quoted from Pafasa:The fireman is my best friend. Close to 20 years. Wish I could have gone to Expo this year. He and I made the previous two years together but I screwed up this year and used up too much of my vacation time from work. Next year will be different. I'll be there.
Don't think I know John Fetters unless I know him through pinside under a different name.
Greg picked up a couple backglasses for me from Steve Azzam of BGRESTO.COM.
One C37 and one ACD. I'll see them tonight and get pics. The cool thing is the fact that the glass is perfect on the ACD i just picked up yesterday. Some side by side pics of those two glasses will be pretty neat. I'll post them here.
Cool. I get my Abra back I sold to a guy eight years ago this winter sometime when I can get a game shopped to trade him.
Quoted from Pafasa:I may have an extra glass if you end up needing it.
I shouldn't because the glass in the game I sold to him was very nice but thanks for the offer.
Quoted from Drano:I posted my C37 playfield resto way back in this thread.
Over the last week, I spent some time freshening up the cabinet. I had some badly faded pinks.
Here are some shots of my progress.
Hopefully this will all be buttoned up within the next week. Playfield re-assembly starts today.Wow, really makes a difference doesn't it? Thanks for sharing........
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Thanks for sharing pics of your collection Nick - very nice
Another nice collection - ahhhhh Atlantis & 4 Square - a couple of my favorites - Gottlieb of course......... Also like your other em games. I'm getting real close to getting my '66 Williams Pitch and Bat working.
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Quoted from o-din:I picked up Big Daddy this morning, and not only is it a beautiful machine, it is also a great player. Don't these two look like they belong next to each other? Thanks again Robert, for providing me with two of the nicest machines in my collection.
BrianLooka nice side by side. So, yes, I noticed all the cards are dropped down on KOD - hmmmmnnnn, 792 points and 14 credits up.
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Quoted from o-din:Yes, when I went to take the picture, I looked at KoD and was not happy with what was left from the last game, so I played a quick one, and completed the mission for the first time. Not sure how many I one though. But it has been a great day. Once I get the right size Buckaroo legs, I will have a Big Daddy sandwich.
My KOD is set for 1200, 1400, 1600, 1800.
Yes, you will have a Williams sandwiched by 2 Gottlieb wedgeheads. Should stick a Williams reverse wedgehead in the sandwich.
Quoted from o-din:I picked up Big Daddy this morning, and not only is it a beautiful machine, it is also a great player. Don't these two look like they belong next to each other? Thanks again Robert, for providing me with two of the nicest machines in my collection.
BrianThe Big daddy does look very nice - I got ta see the complete sandwich when you get it assembled.
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Quoted from Rat_Tomago:As I write this the pin that Boilerman sold me is 8 hours away on the truck in Memphis, TN. That means my new pin will be in the Dallas area at 8:30am CST. Man I hope they actually deliver the machine today instead of dropping it off at a warehouse and then delivering it the next day.
Do you have your binoculars on you? Good luck with your game Rat. The waiting is the hardest part.
Quoted from boilerman:nice grab dave. how is the playfields around the pops? that is the most worn spots on these.
The playfields look pretty good to me between the pops. The playfield with the best parts on the back with no rust or whitish residue/corrosion has contact paper under all but the outer 4 pops. It also has a small hole drilled between the flippers like someone had a post there at one time. The other playfield is actually better all around with neither of those two problems (no contact paper - no hole drilled in pf) but the parts on the back are pretty bad coated with a whitish residue and rust present pretty bad - I wouldn't attempt to use the parts - electrically speaking. So, 2 choices here: a - plug the hole at the bottom of the playfield and match the best I can - remove the contact paper under the pops and repair the best I can, or plan b - swap playfield parts from one playfield to another (which sounds like a big undertaking to me but may be the better choice).
Quoted from AlexF:Awesome to finally find that Slick Chick Dave. And having an extra playfield is extra nice. Congrats!
Thanks to DirtFlipper and LeckMeck. They were on a 3 state tour yesterday. I now have a Drop-A-Card and Royal Guard projects to play around with. Dirt helped coordinate the sale and delivery from Mn.
Thanks Alex. And, congrats too on the Drop a Card and Royal Guard - very good games too. With the cold weather coming up this winter, you're set!
Quoted from Pafasa:Pretty cool! Nice collection hiding behind the Slick Chick too!
Thanks pafasa
In order clockwise against the wall and then turning to the right:
'66 Williams Pitch and Bat
The rest all Gottliebs
Bank a Ball
Buckaroo
Kings and Queens
King of Diamonds
Drop a Card
Atlantis
El Dorado #1 sample
Jacks Open
Centigrade 37
Abra Ca Dabra (coming this winter)
Slick Chick
In storage needs repair with no place to put them without taking one of the above games out:
Fast Draw
2001
Dimension
Snow Derby
Flying Carpet
I need a new building!
I just updated the thread I started last month titled "emwishlist........". I took two games off and added North Star last night - haha
All you need is a Flying Carpet! I'm looking into my crystal ball and I see three of them coming up for sale within three hours of you in 2014
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:Hoov swap the parts on the bottom of the playfield. Don't deal witht he drilled hold and contact paper. It will be more difficult but more rewarding in the end. Oh and congratulations on the score.
Thanks Rat - I'm leaning in that direction. Won't get to it for some time though. My turn-around on games isn't all that great.........
Quoted from SPeD66:The girlfriend gets all of the credit for cleanup once I got the pin home. Although it wasn't especially dirty to begin with, she really put a shine on it. If the play counter is to be trusted, it shows a little over 25,300 plays.
But yeah, this is one of the nicest condition EM games I've ever seen... so I had to have it! Plays great too. Just need to learn how to make some adjustments. The player two score reel sometimes turns along with player one. But when player two is up, everything works as it should & the player one reel doesn't turn. But I suppose I should start a tech thread for that.
Anyhoo, thanks for the nice comments & thumbs up! I'm loving this Jungle Princess.
Now, that's my kind of girlfriend! Congrats on the girlfriend! Oh, and the Jungle Princess too )
Quoted from AlexF:I just put one of my "vinyl players" up for sale if anyone is interested?
janesville.craigslist.org link
Did you rebuild the amp yourself Alex?
I just sold a Rockola 1448 and I have a '50 Seeburg 100B. I like any of these older jukes where you can see the vinyl play in front of you. I was looking at a Paradise at an estate sale last summer and they had a Seeburg R - beautiful - wish I would have bought it but I didn't have the money.
Quoted from Vic_Camp:I have an Atlantis....no desire for Slick Chick and haven't played Abra Ca Dabra yet. Like i said.... been out of room for 10 years and have been really haven't been buying anything,actually Sing a Along,North Star,Silver Sails and Top Card bought in the last 5 years or so. I never store any games and always have all my games playing like factory new.
Very nice collection Vic. You have enough machines to qualify for "small museum status" in my book. Give Abra Ca Dabra a chance. Find a nice one - the artwork on the playfield and the rule set are what makes it special.
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:I think a Kings and Queens or El Dorado are next on my list followed closely by a 2001.
I have them all Rat and they're all great games.
Quoted from o-din:Sing Along sure is a very pretty machine. It is next on my list.
Isn't that artwork great? I've always wanted to snag one too......... I do have a Kings and Queens though so I'm happy.
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:Gaaaaaaar. But they weren't for sale.
Just means you have exquisite tastes.......
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:Well look what the cat drug in today!
My Gottlieb Sure Shot and Sonic Prospector, fresh off the NAVL truck.
I was too busy wrenching on Sure Shot so that is why I'm posting late.
They both need my usual work before I can play them but they will look and play great when I'm done.
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Quoted from DirtFlipper:Double vision...
(One to keep, and one to toss back into the pond.)Just more projects though.
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Very nice..........
Quoted from Pafasa:You know Dirt, we don't really live that far apart. What happens to the unwanted Atlantis?
Grab it if you can Pafasa! Dirt has a knack for procuring good titles.........
Quoted from hoov:Grab it if you can Pafasa! Dirt has a knack for procuring good titles.........
He's a great guy to deal with too!
Quoted from boilerman:vic the one thing you have I wish I had is......Room
I have 19 wedgeheads and would have more if I had more room
thinking of building a 30'x40' out building with an upper level
I am a vinyl guy but no jukebox at the moment
What? no juke? - to go along with all those nice pins. Can't squeeze one in anywhere? I like my 1950 Seeburg B.
Quoted from boilerman:had a few but sold them
last few years it has become hard as hell to get a visible mech machine at a fair price
I hear ya
Quoted from RyanClaytor:Just picked up my first EM TODAY and I'm here to join the club!!!
I'm well aware that this is not the highest regarded EM, but my wife and I really enjoyed playing this title when we visited Klassic Arcade in Gobles, MI (http://www.klassicarcade.com/) a few months back.
If you're not familiar with it, the main feature on this machine is a newton’s cradle captive ball unit.
When you hit the ball on the bottom, the top one pops over to the other side. Move all 5 balls to the designated side and you are rewarded with an extra ball. We felt like the real fun was playing with two players, because the side you’re shifting the balls toward for your extra ball changes for each player, so you can HINDER the other person’s game! Ha-ha!
To add to the challenge, there are no in-lanes, but kick-out saucers at the base of your flippers (SO NO CRADLING!), which keeps the pace of the game pretty active!Anyhow, just wanted to share my excitement. I've been pouring over this thread for the past couple weeks and proud to finally join it!
Sincerely,
Ryan Claytor
Elephant Eater Comics
http://www.ElephantEater.comI was near Klassic Arcades a few years back for a convention and stopped in to play their games. Nice to have a local place to play em's on location.
Welcome to our group! Just remember, one becomes two, two becomes three, etc.. Amazingly, they reproduce!
Quoted from RyanClaytor:Quick question: Does anyone have advice on the best way to go about clearing a backglass? I started a topic over here:
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-to-clear-a-backglass#post-1288530
...but thought I might find some knowledgeable folks in this thread. I recently purchased my first EM, and the BG is pretty immaculate.I'd like to preserve it, but I'd also like to do it right the first time.
Thanks, guys!
Ryan Claytor
Elephant Eater Comics
http://www.ElephantEater.com
Sealing with Kylon Triple Thick is only necessary if you have any lifting of the paint due to moisture, bulb heat, etc.. If you have scratches or other defects where the paint is not lifting or if your backglass just doesn't have any problems, don't seal it. You may cause more harm than good.
If you do seal it, Wal Mart and other stores carry Triple Thick. Since Krylon makes so many different products you have to make sure you get the right one. Ask for Triple-Thick 0500.
Do not clean your backglass. Lay your glass on the floor. Cut up card stock, playing cards etc., to the shape of the score reel windows and credit window. I cut mine slightly smaller than the painted area. Place weights such as quarters, etc., to hold the cut-outs in place. Apply a uniformally heavy 1st coat of triple-thick starting at the top with your can about 6 inches away from the glass. Use left to right sweeping motions and work towards the bottom. This 1st heavy coat "sets" the paint chips that have lifted and bonds them to the product which stops the flaking process. Apply 2 more lighter coats reversing direction each time you spray your glass. Let dry at least 24 hours before you touch-up with paint. Seal your touch-ups with triple-thick when you're done. I spray some in the cap and use a q-tip for small touch-ups.
This is just how I do it. Everyone has their own way.........
Quoted from Shapeshifter:I also like doing this. I also like taking all the metal bits under the apron and the metal piece that holds the glass, and having them re-chromed. Just like the way the light hits and reflects. Not really bling just makes them pop. Only worth doing if keeping for a while, as most people wouldn't notice really.
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Very nice........
Quoted from stashyboy:Yea, I don't really want to part with it, but have other projects that are waiting and need the room. (game is already spoken for
) Considering *all* the original paperwork was with the game in pristine condition as well....
Here's a few more to enjoy!That is one sweet PIN-UP!
Quoted from boilerman:If anyone is interested I am picking up a gtb top score 2 player. it is from a family friend
from what i have seen it looks pretty nice. I can work out a good deal for anyone here.
I think top score / 300 is a pretty good multi player game
anyone in the SE Pa area interested let me know I will get some pictures this weekend.
300 was the 1st game I bought when I entered this crazy hobby called pinball......... Like the backglass animation on this one. Had to sell to make room for wedgies 
Quoted from DirtFlipper:Fresh off a rebuild before sliding into the lineup. This is a production version; I have a sample game to do later.
Very nice work Dirt. Lot's of shiny metal and bright paint! Anyone would be happy to have that game in their collection. Low plays too - common for the end of the em era............
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Quoted from EM-PINMAN:OK.
Time to post here with my new 1976 Gottlieb Sure Shot I just finished working on for the most part. More details/pictures of this machine here:
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/1976-gottlieb-sure-shot-rehabilitation#post-1303582
KenNice Ken!
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Quoted from popeboy:Thanks guys... I'm checking all my CL and Ebay feeds daily, so you know it's all downhill from here
Welcome to the craziness pope! One becomes two. Two becomes three. You get it..........they reproduce all on their own ) Make plenty of room now!
Quoted from hoov:I-80 would have carried a lot of games out east from Chicago during the em heyday. When was I-80 completed though? Here locally our interstate wasn't done until the 60's.
Our interstate was started in 1958, finished locally in 1965, and finally finished as a whole in late 1971 - so probably pretty close to the norm for the entire interstate system.
Quoted from Vic_Camp:I always inquire and ask questions about the machine when i purchase them from their owner,especially a low played beauty like your DC. The story and history behind the machine is interesting to know and for future reference. I document as much information about my machines as possible and store it inside the coin box compartment of each game.
I do the same thing. The history of the game is the coolest part.
Quoted from Arcade:Got home from work to find a Pinball Resource box at my door.
Got a couple of pop bumper rings, springs, and light sockets.
New coil for my Hot Tip pop bumper.
Shiny new red start buttons for my Gottlieb 2001 and Flip a Card.
Some new coin stickers and plastics for my Gottliebs as well as a new ball in play card.
And of course some shiny new caster feet.Ahhhhh, your Christmas present just arrived........
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Quoted from Phatchit:My 1960 Willams Jungle . It's picked this up and plan on doing a full tear down and restore . Right now there isn't to much available for this beauty .
Cool game I've never seen. Backglass animation with 8 animals popping up - going through any of the 6 rollovers or 2 gobble holes will knock down an animal in the backglass. Getting all down will light special.
Here's the IPDB link: http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?name=jungle&mfgid=413&yr=1960&searchtype=advanced
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Nice looking low production/wedgeheads Adam........ That looks to be a Blue Note with the playfield out of it. There's a rare game you don't see much.
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Quoted from DirtFlipper:One Atlantis down, one more to go. Last rebuild of the year.
(Gotta find my extra instruction card still.)The inside:
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Nice restore Dirt. Someone is going to get a nice Atlantis for their game room. You said you're keeping one and selling one right? Is this the one you're going to put up for sale?
Quoted from Caucasian2Step:Finally getting around to posting my Analog kids pics. Enjoy!
Try manually select file(s) to unload and then after they're all uploaded send your post.........
Quoted from cantbfrank:My newest addition:
Very very nice Pin Up. I miss my King Pin. I'll just have to get another.........
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Quoted from kovalski3:Not Shopped out yet, but here is my blue note.
Very nice - very hard to find title. I know someone in Illinois that's been looking for that game for a long time.
Perfect placement.........
Atlantis and Abra just seem like they should be next to each other.
'75 was a good year for GTB.....
1975-08 "300" Gottlieb EM ~7,925 Mechanical Back... 4p 388 21 7.5
1975-11 Abra Ca Dabra Gottlieb EM 2,825 1p 383 35 7.9
1975-01 Atlantis Gottlieb EM 2,225 1p 369 34 7.9
1975-03 El Dorado Gottlieb EM 2,875 1p 370 35 7.8
1975-03 Fast Draw Gottlieb EM 8,045 4p 379 10 7.8
1975-11 Gold Strike Gottlieb EM 675 Add-A-Ball 1p 372 22 8.0
1975-11 Lucky Strike Gottlieb EM 1,013 Add-A-Ball 1p 371 25 7.9
1975-04 Pin-Up Gottlieb EM 715 Add-A-Ball 1p 353 21 7.7
1975-06 Quick Draw Gottlieb EM 2,660 2p 380 18 7.8
1975-03 Soccer Gottlieb EM 2,900 2p 368 17 7.9
1975-07 Spin Out Gottlieb EM 2,850 1p 375 23 7.2
1975-12 Spirit of 76 Gottlieb EM 10,300 4p 381 26 7.8
1975-01 Super Soccer Gottlieb EM 7,130 Mechanical Back... 4p 367 27 7.7
1975-08 Tiger Gottlieb EM 1,100 Add-A-Ball 1p 378 6 8.2
1975-10 Top Score Gottlieb EM 3,200 2p 389 20 7.8
Sold an Abra Ca Dabra eight years ago to a guy up in Minneapolis. He wanted a different game so I traded him a nice Royal Flush so I could get my Abra back. It has one slight flaw above the left flipper, slight insert wear, and slight flaking in the backglass but not bad - I will touch-up. Ordering the lower plastics from Pinball Rescue.
While up there why not visit DirtFlipper since I was close? He even threw a pinball get-together . I can tell you his games and the rest of his game room look even better in person. Thanks Dirt! Now I want a Hit the Deck.
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Quoted from jrpinball:Nice lineup hoov! Nice condition on all those games! That "Abra Ca Dabra" is cherry!
Thanks. I just missed the challenge of getting that special lit. Great rule set. And, it was one of the nicest games I've gotten through the doors too - not going to let it go this time.
Quoted from Pin-it:Great looking selection of games hoov.
Thanks Pin-it
Quoted from boilerman:I don't see that new sing along
Didn't like the game play (cross between my Kings and Queens and Crosstown which I sold) on Sing Along as much as Kings and Queens. Although I'm kind of biased on Kings and Queens since it was one of the first games I scored a replay on as a kid.
Sold it to Dirt!
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:Anytime you want to get rid of it again Dave just let me know and I will gladly take it off your hands.
Beautiful game you have by the way.
Ken
Thanks Ken
Quoted from jrpinball:Yup, you nailed it. "Sing Along" is basically a cross between "Kings & Queens" and "Cross Town". It's a very pretty game though and would go great between the other two!
I've got a Slick Chick and when I get that restored some day I don't know where it's gonna go.........
velcroman
According to an old archived rgp post from Herb Silvers those old Rockola baseball games can be worth some real money since they are so rare.
Here's a quote:
Want to talk expensive how about a Rockola All Star Baseball $125,000 Or Rockola 27 World Series Baseball 65,000 They went for about 600 back in the day new. That my friends is expensive. Lets see a new house or a Rockola Baseball huh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Herb
Quoted from popeboy:I just saw this pop up on the Columbus Oh Craigslist this morning. I know there is a lot of love for Slick Chick in the EM world and this guy is restoring one that will be up for sale shortly. Don't know this guy, so no recommendation from me, but I thought some of you might be interested if you are in or around Ohio.
" target="_blank">columbus.craigslist.org link
Carry on...
Looks like he's getting the word out early huh?
Quoted from velcroman:The Diamond Jack has found it's new home. Great addition.
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It's in good company. Cool rare bowling games too.
You say you've been collecting a long time. Is this just part of what you have? Would like to see more pics )
Quoted from stashyboy:A lazy saturday afternoon with light snow falling gives me time to upload a few pics of my latest project. Quick Draw I picked up in Maryland (yes, that's 6 hours from me! ) Price was right and aside from the usual flaking in the BG, and a full restoration on the playfield.......standard 100+ hours on the whole thing. Enjoy!
Worth every gallon of gas it took Stashyboy. Very nice Quick Draw. I'm with you. If you want the nice games sometimes you have to drive for them.
Quoted from wayner:Does anyone know of this machine/this seller pls?http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271384380686?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Is this the auction you were following and the seller you're asking about?
Quoted from jrpinball:From page 38 of this thread;
Just went back and saw this. Wow; a "KOD" sample game! You say the inserts have black numbers on them instead of red. I wonder if the roto target was redone with stickers. I would think those numbers would also be black because Gottlieb already had made black targets with the same card designs for their 1960 "Spot A Card" woodrail.
The score reels number font also looks different on your game than those of the production game.
I just went and looked at heatwave's KOD. Cool sample game.
Hey heatwave - send some pics of your sample King of Diamonds to The Internet Pinball Database so everyone can enjoy.........
Quoted from dmesserly:I guess I'll jump on board the thread. I've been collecting (really buying and selling) since 2003 and bought my first EM about 2 years ago. I got a Surf Champ and Jet Spin from Don Owen in MD, near DC. Great guy and does a fantastic job on his pins. Don't hesitate to buy from him if he puts anything up for sale.
Anyway, I ended up getting a Quick Draw at the Texas show in 2012 and sold the other two in one of my bouts of inventory management. I regret selling the Surf Champ the most as it was a lot of fun.
I haven't thought much about EMs as I spent time with the SS and DMDs but I've decided I need a wedgehead...or two. So I'm looking at the classics from the 60s with the short flippers and I really like the animated backglasses.
Here's a few pics of current and former inventory.
Dave
Quick Draw is in the collection.Surf Champ left and is missed.
Jet Spin is gone. OK game but not as fun as the others.
Thanks for sharing Dave - I've heard Don does nice work.
I'm a little biased but for 2" Gottlieb wedgeheads with animation, try King of Diamonds, Bank a Ball, Skyline, Crosstown, and Central Park to name a few. For non-animated wedgeheads I like Kings and Queens and I hear Slick Chick is a favorite (I haven't restored mine).
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:Please at least bring 2001 to the Texas Pinball Festival. I have not played a 2001 and would like to.
Combination of nudging and good shooting along with a little luck. Good game - one of the few 2" games with drops.
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:I have emailed Shay 3 different times, all with different questions and all with no response. I'm done asking him for anything.
Ken
Shay is a very busy person and I just keep e-mailing him - he'll eventually get back to you. I understand your position though Ken.
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Quoted from kovalski3:I had the Williams 10 pins fully restored. It took 2 years. When I finally got It back, inset it up in my living room. Another collector came to look at a pinball machine and "had to have it" . Lets just say he made me an offer that was too good to pass up. I Love that machine though.
I bet you wouldn't turn down another truckload like that one. Thanks for sharing.
This one is done and sold to a fellow Pinsider.
In the middle of Flying Carpet now - should be done in a few more days. Nice playfield, decent cabinet, and backglass has been taped w/packing tape and touched up (hard to find a nice backglass on this era of game).
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Quoted from EM-PINMAN:Great job with the El Dorado hoov!
Ken
Thanks. Can't think of a better way to spend these cold winter months than fixing up these old beauties.
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:Hoov that is crazy nice! Congrats whoever bought it!
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:I tried to buy an El Dorado off Ebay that was listed for $2000.00 during Christmas and made an offer but I guess it was not good enough for them. The offer was substantial too. As far as I know he never sold it.
ebay.com link
Ken
Quoted from HELLODEADCITY:Very nice
New drop targets courtesy of Steve Young & associates. This playfield looks better than mine.
Quoted from MikeO:Nice work on the El Dorado. I would be proud to own that game.
Mike O.
Team-EM
Thanks Mike
Your collection is impressive. Looks like you've had a lot of games go through your doors over the years.
Quoted from Shapeshifter:You beat me by an hour I think. .........
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Message received from replay on 01/28/2014 at 12:20 CET (Shapeshifter)
It turns out to be only 25 minutes.......
If I find another nice El Dorado I'll let you know. The good news is most of these El Dorado's I've come across in the Midwest that were on location tend to be in pretty nice shape considering.
Quoted from Gerry:Here we go. Just a taste
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Congrats!
That Hurdy Gurdy looks to be a real nice original - everything looks good on it - most of these are pretty beat up. Your World Series head also looks good too.
Way to go - I would go get those two games anyday.
Quoted from boilerman:ship ahoy looks great
one of the few AAB games I really liked.
red dot flipper coils really make this game even better
orange dot?
Yes, the game looks nice. Played a Buccaneer years ago.
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:These are the new ones Steve at PBR made that are so powerful the ball will go through the back of the Cabinet and through your house wall. Impress your friends!
Ken
Good one Ken.....
I usually find if I clean (or replace if necessary) all the flipper parts and adjust both cabinet and EOS switches (or replace) and check the ohms of the 5194 coil I don't need orange or yellow dot coils. You can also high-tap the game if needed.
I tried an orange-dot once on a Drop a Card and it played abnormally fast for me - not the same as on location.
Of course this is just my opinion - if it works for you and you like it fast and furious that's great.
Picked up 4 GTB projects today from a guy so packed with games he could hardly work. Had them across the street in his Mom's garage too . Sometimes ya just gotta sell............
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4 em pick-up StL 007.JPGQuoted from Rat_Tomago:Hoov I see Sky Jump, Big Brave and Surf Champ. What is the 4th one? Jacks Open?
That 4th one be High Hand. You know, the one WITHOUT the resetting drop targets )
Quoted from boilerman:took a team one in a trade today. it looks like it was not on route very long if ever. there is no ball arch wear and it is super clean.
It also had the ball lane metal guidesRemarkable game..........
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Quoted from Rat_Tomago:Ugg! You were thinking..."Oh man why can't this be a Captain Card?"
I would have been drooling all over the Kings and Queens I see in the picture.
The Kings and Queens you see is his personal one in his collection not for sale. If you look at the Kings and Queens head in the rack, the head next to it to the left is the 2nd Kings and Queens he has up for sale. It is the ugly repaint that is light blue with 2 red diamonds. The base is not pictured. The kick-out holes had a lot of wear and the backglass was decent. I didn't buy it.
Quoted from ahanson:Nice grab hoov. I love my Surfer.
What's the one in the one of the pictures where you see a car on the side of the cabinet (next to the K's&Q's)?
Good question - anyone?
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Your Jumping Jack looks nice from what I can see. One of the better multi-players because of the resetting drop targets. And you can't beat the well-endowed girls on the backglass. Your backglass looks pretty good from what I can see. The playfields all seem to have that wear by the upper kick-out holes. A new set of drop targets from PBR would make it look real nice.
If anyone wants to buy a super nice Quick Draw in the New York area I just ran across stashyboy's Pinball Owners ad:
http://www.pinballowners.com/stashyboy
Click on the Quick Draw pics to see
Quoted from stashyboy:May already be spoken for.........
(thanks for the props Hoov!)
No problem - just stating the obvious )
Quoted from JayCee:Hi Folks, here's my Bally Expressway and Gottlieb Solar City. The Expressway has been super reliable, I've only had to replace the flippers. The Solar City's recently been given a shop, with play field clean up and 2K clear coat, new rubbers and about 50 hour debugging dirty relays and motors. It still has a little freak out every now and then, but mostly plays well. I'll post some better photos once I've got 'em into the house.
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Here's a link to a guy's Expressway playfield restoration over on rgp:
https://picasaweb.google.com/109179689265802035749/ExpresswayClearCoatPolycrylic#
Quoted from boilerman:got some time to work on the next project buckaroo
stripped and cleaned the pf, came out supper nice(glossy shine w/ no wax yet) much better than i thought. it was pretty dirty.
not much paint loss at all. one small spot at red PB, only a tiny bit of flipper drag, this was one of the machines that almost always has flipper drag not many without it , K&Q is another that is know for flipper drag.
That playfield is real nice - it's hard to find a nice one in that title as you say.
For anyone else looking for bingo's Lloyd at Coin Op Warehouse out in Pennsylvania had a special running on his facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/coinopwarehouse. He just got a shipment in and if you say you saw his facebook ad he would charge $125 - $250 per bingo.
Quoted from Polonius:Just picked up this Baseball. Will take some work to get working properly, but nothing Steve Young and I can't fix.
A couple odd hacks, but it's mostly working. Backglass is great, and cabinet looks ok - for a basic repaint
Just in time for the baseball season! Really like that 2001 next to it.
I wouldn't have known what it was without the "clue" - I'm guessing we're all talking about this one from our Craigslist thread:
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I went to look at a blue note that was on DE CL after work today it was 2 blocks away, it was sold when I got there.
I asked if I could take a look since I was there
it was totally mint. even had the purchase papers when it was bought new by the owner. I know it is a crappy player but the guys that collect the rare ones don't care. the seller told me he got much more than what he was asking.
I just hope it was not a flipper that got it. we'll see in a week or two
Quoted from DirtFlipper:Just a few more days to go I think...
Lookin' good. If you're showing your shiny parts again I better get my sunglasses ready ) Does that mean HTD S is next?
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Quoted from heatwave:Just picked up a Sing Along! I'm really out of room, but I have always liked how this game plays and its back glass is among my all-time favorites.
Pretty darn dirty but it worked and as soon as I add 20+ new coil sleeves, new rubbers and a good ME + Novus2 + Wax it should turn out very nice. The game is missing a credit wheel so I am in the market for one from a similar era Gottlieb single player. Willing to buy the whole unit if the price is right (haven't gone through it enough to see if other parts of the unit are missing).
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Another nice Sing Along. Great playfield. Nice grab.....
Quoted from frg:And a nice Abra Ca Dabra...
The plastics got some protectors, seemed to be a good idea to use colored plastics. But it is too much - I have to redo this.
By the way... does anayone have the small plastics at the bottom?
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Very nice!
Congrats on your Pro Football. I played that game in a tournament put on by Bally back in 1972 in my hometown bowling alley so it has fond memories.
Tell your girls to bring as many friends over as possible so we can show this generation how great em's are!
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:North Star arrived today.
Looks nice Rat. I'll take one please.
Quoted from dphelps:So I got my first EM a couple of weeks ago at the Texas Pinball Festival. (Thanks Bob!)
A Gottlieb Gypsy Queen. Decided my collection needed an EM, and I couldn't be happier with it. What a classic machine. I'm afraid I may be hooked on EMs now
Congrats on your 1st em - and a very nice Gypsy Queen too. You don't see that game too often for sale. Can't beat the artwork on those 50's games.
Quoted from hawkeye11:I have been enjoying this thread and thought I should add some pics. Here is my Gottlieb row.
Nice collection of Gottliebs h11
Quoted from stashyboy:Picking it up at Pinfest!
Congrats stashyboy on getting the Big Hit!
Quoted from Retropin:Ive had some recent additions to my EM line up. The BANK A BALL ive had for a while and is fully restored..
Those three games look very nice.......
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I read a thread somewhere and ordered some of these 3/16 stiff steel mini-brushes for a dremel and they work good too. The brush is just slightly bigger than the socket but it forms to the socket size on the 1st time used with a few extra bristles protruding out.
I ordered part no. 26098M
Quoted from beadwindow:Here's my setup after my several years of collecting. I'm an AAB fan but have owned and enjoyed replays as well. After owning about 20 or so machines here are my favorites.
I also have some Ballys-an Expressway with repro glass that I in the process of a swapping playfields on and 2 Capersvilles. Both of them are complete minus 1 backglass but aren't set up.
Lucky Hand-restored machine
Capt Card-repro backglass
Dimension-repro backglass, extremely well done repaint on the cab but the webbing is too thick. Have a NOS playfield to install at some point.
Diamond Jack-NOS playfield, new playfield parts, restored cab, metal playfield posts
Flipper Pool- great shape overall
Super collection of games you have acquired. From your pic your Dimension playfield looks to be better than mine. I can't see the kick-out hole wear and the lower playfield though. I'm looking for a decent one to touch-up. If you ever sell it let me know.
Quoted from beadwindow:Thanks for the compliment. There's no wear at the bottom of the Dimension playfield but there is above the pop bumpers. I am interested in selling this playfield but I have one other person interested. They may go another route however for their Dimension and if so, I'll let you know
Thanks!
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Quoted from ChadNC:Flipper Clown
Very nice Flipper Clown. Like the led's too........
Quoted from o-din:I was lucky enough to be able to attend the Pinball Forever auction last weekend. I was able to play a variety of vintage machines from all different manufactures from the 50's all the way thru recent years.
But of all the machines there, three really caught my eye. And in the end I won two that I had bid on. They are both in really nice condition, and I was very happy to end up with this Pit Stop, as that was the show stopper for me. This Blue Chip is in such nice shape, that I couldn't resist that one either. I love EM spinners.
Looks like a couple nice games you won there.......enjoy.
Quoted from ccotenj:it's in the crib... it really only required a few hours of work to get it playing like a champ... rebuilt the slings (which fixed the one that was locking on), adjusted the flipper return springs properly (they were way overwound, one because 2 of the screw holes were stripped and the other because the stop appeared to be magnetized), slapped on some new rubbers, fixed the knocker that was locking on, and we were good to go...
still need to r&r the score reels, and fix the replay unit (a VERY interesting free play hack was done there), but other than that, it's mechanically done... it is very clean inside the cabinet, so that should not take long either...
edit: forgot... the 0-9 as stepper for the match is completely hosed... i'm really not looking forward to rebuilding that little sob....
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Great game Chris.
I miss mine and someday will get another.
Quoted from Retropin:Here are some pics of my GTB BANK A BALL .. whole game was a complete mess when I got her and I took 2 years on and off to completely repaint the playfield... its still an ongoing project as im now making new balls for the backglass animation.. anyway, some before and after shots
Wow,
Super nice restoration job there. I can see lots of hours went into you BaB but it will be well worth it! The touch-up and clear looks great. The cabinet turned out super nice too. If I were you I'd be anxious to play it if it's been a few years now........
Are you going to apply any webbing on the cabinet?
Quoted from Retropin:Webbing is there and the game has been up and running for quite a while now, its in a part of the house where my wife allows very tidy machine to reside and is in a line up with World Champ and WMS Rocket.. theres been a lot of fine tuning along the way and it plays great and fast. Once the drop down balls are done, the restoration is complete. The PF is not a touch up.. I literally repainted everything using my airbrush and freehand work.. not one piece of original paint is left, its all been covered up. The plastics are all mine too.. remade with 3mm acrylic
Fantastic - thanks for the info.
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Quoted from GizzArd:Just got this 4square on a trade and I'm so happy I did. What a great game! It's a very plain playfield but it gets addicting. Love I art. I wonder why the playfield art is so blank? It has some mechanical issues but I fixed quite a few. The one last issue is whatever number I hit. The number two also goes off. It makes the game easier but why?
In the end I'm very happy
Congrats on the 4 Square - great game!
You might try posting your problem in the EM Tech sub-forum but I'll take a stab at it.
This sounds as if any vibration in the sequence reset bank is causing this. Take the ball out of the game and prop-up the playfield. You have a sequence bank with trip relays for no. 1, 2, 3, 4, and sequence complete (forget what it's called). Start a game and close the outhole switch and the tunnel switch to advance to ball 1. Manually complete all the targets for no. 2 and you should hear it complete the sequence. Back off the wing nuts on the 1-4 sequence reset bank and unscrew that whole assembly from the bottom board and flip it upright to manually operate your switches. I've found this way is a little more work but a lot easier to get to your problem switch/contacts. Gently move the different switches around on the no. 2 relay and watch the lights on the playfield to see if they go out. If I remember right it's one of the middle switches on the trip relay. It sounds as if you have a closed set of contacts that are dirty or out of adjustment and any vibration in this bank is causing your problem. Once you find your culprit switch clean and adjust your contacts so no. 2 stays on when you hit other targets.
Quoted from stashyboy:My Big Hit restore is done. Pretty happy with it.
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Great artwork from that era..........
Quoted from ccotenj:we need to build a spur off that railroad and connect it to southern new jersey...
The Minnesota to Illinois leg is already in the engineering stage 
Quoted from btw75:If you look closely you'll see my mini-split AC - its completely insulated. I keep the temp from 64 to 84 degrees depending on the season. Currently, since I'm in the shop, its at 76. Tough life, I know.
Which 2 would you get rid of? I'm trying to sell El D, Pro-Football, and have 2001 spoken for already. Those just didn't speak to me and I'm trying to not just collect to collect - asd tough as that is.
I'm curious as to why no one has bought the El Dorado yet........
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Quoted from boilerman:here is a great hard to find game
This game has moved near the top of my current want list. I like the same games that you do.....
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Quoted from boilerman:dave
I keep my real want list on the down low
it never fails when I post I want something, everyone and their brother is now looking for it.
so I have a want list and then I have a want want list
astro play as well as 4 square but so much more pleasing to look at!
I've been looking for one for the last year but like a lot of others would not buy it unless it were local and the price was right
Quoted from AlexF:There was a nice looking Astro forever on Milwaukee Craigslist at $600. It must have been listed for 6 months or more. It would get reposted over and over.
That's because no-one on Pinside was talking about it
Quoted from ccotenj:it really is too bad they didn't come up with a "different" cabinet paint scheme though, because it does not go at all with the artwork... that's one way that 4 square is a bit better "cosmetics wise", the cabinet art goes with everything else...
I agree Chris and I vote we put manitouguy (Ron) on the job!
Quoted from RobT:I've finally joined the EM club, and was able to get a Wedgehead.
Love the art on these babies. This backglass is in superb condition and looks great in person. Thanks to Pinsider Mikeincali for the nice transaction!
Welcome to the club! Congrats on the Sure Shot - looks nice.
Quoted from Darcy:I looked closer at the photos. The backglass art work is lifting, there is playfield wear. The cabinet has wear as well. So I offered $450. Lets see if I get a reply, hopefully the reply does not have any F words in it.
Seller's probably been checking out Pin Rescue prices..........
Quoted from GizzArd:Picked up a gottlieb sheriff for 250 yesterday. Man this thing had some mechanical issues but now he runs great. I've been wanting to play this playfield for awhile and it's pretty darn fan. Gotta lotta tweakin to do
Great find and great price too!
I've never played one but a lot of folks here like that game that have it along with the 2-player Lawman.
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Buy a Palnut Removal Tool from PBR and hold the hex top of the post screw with the tool and then tighten the acorn nut with a 5/16" nut driver. Never had any problem installing new acorn nuts since I got the tool. It's also just as good for removing old acorn nuts when shopping a game.
http://www.pbresource.com/tools.html
Below quoted from PBR's site:
Palnut Removal Tool
Do you have a Gottlieb® pinball game with the Acorn Speed Nuts? Have you ever taken one off without the post getting unscrewed from the playfield? This tool is Gottlieb®'s answer , the right tool for the job! We have sold out of the original Gottlieb® Tool! It's been so popular, we have remade this tool!
Click on the thumbnail for the original Gottlieb® instructions!
This tool also works Great on those Nylon Posts Caps
(BLY-POSTCAP)
used on Williams and Bally games!
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$4.00ea
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Great looking Pop a Card stashyboy.
I'm curious too on whether the paint is original - sure looks nice!
My Drop a Card is brutal too. Not an easy game to beat. Even after rebuilding my flippers and my pops were already good. The outlanes gobble up your ball likes there's no tomorrow. Talk about making me come back for 'just one more".
I was fortunate to be invited to visit Dirtflipper's Hangout - AKA Gottlieb Central - last year. His games shine - inside and out, they play like new, and they look even better than the pictures. What else can a Gottlieb fanboy ask for?
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Quoted from PhilC:Just finishing this one up, having some drop target reset issues, but I think I isolated the problem. Such a great game!
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Your Dimension looks great. Is that Ron's repro bg and is your pf a repro also or original? I wish my playfield was as nice as yours..........
Quoted from PhilC:The playfield is original, i touched it up, but it really wasn't that bad to begin with. Just the normal kick out hole wear. I did not clear coat it, wanted to keep it as original as possible. When its just small areas i tend to wax over the paint and keep it clean/waxed and it holds up well
That's exactly how I touch-up my playfields. Just haven't got to my Dimension yet. If I were you and I had a game that nice I would spring for the plastics from Pinball Rescue. You even get a cool key chain plastic......
That's nice!
I haven't found a Volley local to me yet but I'm hoping too someday. Does your Australian Terrier guard your Volley for you?
Quoted from Frax:So this was a FREEBIE Hang Glider. My wife found it through our kid's allergist. Apparently they were talking about pinball one day and he was like "I've got this thing in my garage, I need to get rid of it." and without even asking me, she said "Okay, we'll take it."
There is a reason I marred her. :p
So, about three months later, we tried to pick it up from him (he's busy, very popular allergy practice), and come to find out, they didn't have the key for the head. We explained we'd have to find a drill and bit and have to come back another time. We went on vacation, our annual overtime bonanza started up, and we couldn't ever find the time to borrow a drill and be there at the same time as was convenient for everyone. So last sunday, she gets a call. He drilled the lock, said to come get it. So we did.
As you can see, rubber bands everywhere, hard and brittle, the rubber rings that are left were turning to dust, lol. Backglass was "cleaned" by someone who seems to have dissolved a bunch of the white window paint and then smeared it everywhere, and also caused many of the light-transparent sections to start flaking. BUMMER. Playfield is full of ball swirls. Dirty as crap and...
It plays pretty good, actually. The flippers are nice and strong, you can really rip the spinner, gets a ton of spins, sounds fantastic when the reels are just cranking those 100p spins. Chimes sound pretty good, knocker is scary loud. I was able to get the player unit working and the ball count unit was working after that, the more I fiddle with it the more stuff magically starts working. All the "features" work, but the drop targets are a bit mushy and don't reset very well.. I'm suspecting spring replacements are in order, I'll have to look at it. Lots of burned out bulbs.
Congrats Frax on the freebie! You are going to have to explain how you marred your wife though 
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Quoted from GizzArd:Picked up a Central Park over the weekend. It gets mixed reviews but it's a real blast to play once you get used to the machine. Even though it's hard as nails to get the specials it makes you want to play it that much more.
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Central Park is a fun game to play with the rule set it has. The only issue I have with 60's games is the lower rollover lanes slows the flow of game play down - but hey, that was what was the designers were going with at the time - they figured it out in the 70's.
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Quoted from BCpinhead:This is our new to us Atlantis.
Basically as we got it, it is complete I think. Not 100% functional yet but working on it.
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A cabinet re-paint and that will look fine.....
Quoted from BCpinhead:Agreed!! I will post an after pic but I have already ordered the stencils and now tracking down the orig paint colours. How would one do the speckles? I never have seen an original Atlantis close up. Focus right now is to get it 100% mechanically sorted, then work on the cabinet. Confident it will look and run as new when I 'm finished. Already a line up to play it though lol!
Cheers!
Here's a thread about the Atlantis boilerman re-painted: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/2nd-fire-victim-complete You might want to send a pm to him. He may be able to help you with the colors/procedure. I've used a toothbrush (paintbrush) to do some speckles once on a spot repair (slowly flick the brush - practice on cardboard 1st!) but see what boilerman suggests.
Here's an old thread where gearheaddropping did an Atlantis re-paint: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/gottlieb-atlantis-restore - you may have to pm him as the pics are not up anymore in his link.
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Quoted from Aurich:Yup! Probably going to stay with two. If I find one of my more desirable wedgeheads I'll swap it in for Sky Jump. These are in my office next to my desk, solid states are in the garage, and it will probably stay solid state.
Congrats!
Couldn't agree more^^^^ . Make Sky Jump what I call the "6 months game". Play it for 6 months and rotate in a fresh wedgehead - just like when they were on route.
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Quoted from Rat_Tomago:Well I did it! I bought my 4th machine today! I bought a Central Park. I get to pick it up Tuesday evening. Playfield is a solid 9. Backglass is a 8.5 with some pin size spots missing (very easy touch ups) Cabinet is a 6. This thing needs a total repaint which will be done in January locally. Time for a 300 dollar order to PBR for a new coin door, chute, legs, etc...etc..
Congrats! I've had two of them and it is a fun game. If I had more room I would still have it.
Always remember my trip to Donal Murphy's farm near me when he invited me to see his collection (about 109 50's, 60's, 70's GTB's mostly including a Challenger) - RIP Don. He sold me a new monkey while I was there. Didn't even have to pay shipping from PBR.
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Quoted from Vic_Camp:Here's a game i looked at sometime ago.The game played through without any problems and needed 50 +hours of work.I passed on it and regret not grabbing it at the time.Priced on the low end too.What was i thinking that day.
Love the artwork on Flipper Fair........
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I recently picked up a working GTB Universe from a local that was moving. The Universe is mostly original (including bg) with the exception of a couple of bells that were missing, and a GTB 70's style on/off switch with new power cord. Someone painted the legs too. Fun to play.
Also, I included a pic of my Pop-a-Card which is next to my Dimension. I picked up the Pop-a-Card along with a Captain Card (in storage) awhile back from deep in the woods of northern Wisconsin (cheese head territory). Those 2 have been getting a lot of play as of late. Around the corner from these is Abra, El Dorado, and Jacks Open.
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Quoted from dtown:Very nice! I want a Gottlieb Universe. Love the layout and the retro "space race/sci-fi" theme.
I've been playing the heck out of it since I fixed the minor issues with the game. Landing in the gobble hole awards either 100, 200, or 300 points and for every 100 points or completed trip the knocker goes off. So, if you land in the the gobble hole and it's lit for 300 points it's knock-knock-knock - sounds like a machine gun. It sounds as if someone is winning a ton of games when you play it I'm going to work on the left flippers tonight.
Quoted from jrpinball:You scored, dude!
Yes I did. We snarf up a woodrail here in Illinois every now and then. Nothing like you guys out east that have a chance to buy trailer loads at an auction 
Quoted from o-din:Nice Universe Hoov. One similar may be coming my way soon...
Hope you get it!
My paint under the legs is not faded at all so the paint held up well on this game beings it's 55 years old. Probably housed in a dark basement for most of it's adult life. The front of the cabinet/coin door area is the worst part of the cabinet. Normal wear around the ball lift and shooter and there were holes drilled in two places for a security bar. Coin door is mangled a bit in the top right corner. Legs are painted - no biggie.
Both the playfield and backglass are good for their age - won't need a repro bg (if it's even available - didn't look).
Awesome Lucky Hand. It didn't take you long to get 24 games! You Minnesota guys sure have nice game rooms.
Question - do you have your 2001 in your collection playing or is it in storage right now? Just curious as to how game play compares to the Dimension.
I also see you have a Close Encounters em - sweet.
And, it varies by manufacturer too. I know someone who looked at Bally em's closely that were shipped overseas. He spoke to overseas owners to get an idea of serial number ranges, etc.. You can spend a lot of time researching this topic! If you look at serial number ranges of a title and go the the IPSND you can get clues as to where some games went. Unfortunately, not enough data has been submitted on some games.
And you also have an idea of how many games are available for sale here in the US. Certain titles are spotted more in certain parts of the US too. Atlantis is one example. Hard to find in the NE right now but more prevalent in the Midwest.
Quoted from wayner:Abra Ca Dabra is another machine I purchased from hoov some months ago and completed a restoration a little while back. I really enjoy playing this machine-a great player, good ruleset and it looks terrific. Those blinking eyes of the wiz... at games end are captivating.
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Another great looking game now that you're done with it wayner. I can't believe how that parts order from Pinball Resource, Pinball Rescue, etc., made such a difference in your restoration. It looks super!
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Quoted from boilerman:added another one to the already over crowded garage
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Nice looking game boilerman! I want that title myself.
Universe comes out and North Star goes in! Thanks to dirtflipper ("The Broker") for the lead on this one. The cabinet needed touched up or re-painted so I went the touch-up route for now and it looks ok. I only did the front - may go back and do the sides and back later when I have more time. The playfield has your normal 60's flipper drag which is common but I can live with it.
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Now, if you want an honest evaluation, contact odin in a few months after he get's his set up.
Quoted from dtown:Though these aren't games, I did get a couple EM related novelties from arcadenovelties.com over the holidays. They have the rights to reproduce Gottlieb logos and backglass images on shirts, mugs, keychains, etc.
They were offering free shipping over $65, IIRC. I had been looking at getting a custom t-shirt with the D. Gottlieb banner logo on the top left front and the Flipper Skill Games image on the back. Since this didn't reach the amount for the free shipping I picked a couple other things and thought I'd comment on their quality if anyone here had been thinking about ordering from them.
First, the shirt is really nice. As you can tell the ink seems like its part of the shirt and not some shiny decal that will crack after a couple washes. Size was accurate as well.
The clock was, well, $15. It's plastic with basically a cardboard insert with the image on it. Runs on a single AA which is included. I hung it above the doorway in my home theater/family room. Looks good. Those pop bumper style clocks are probably a lot nicer but, they're more than fifteen bucks too.
I bought two keychains. I think they'd look pretty cool on a pin's key ring. One for my Top Card and a Flipper Skill Game one for my Sunshine since they didn't have one specifically for that game. They're metal and have printing on both sides. The Flipper Skill Game one is nice but the print on the Top Card is a little soft. Price? Ten bucks a piece. A little expensive.
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Over the last 5 years, I've bought from Arcade Novelties 6 large coffee mugs and 3 ball caps - all with Gottlieb em branding - either game specific or logo related stuff. I would recommend them all.
Support businesses that carry Gottlieb liscensed products!
Quoted from dtown:If you do, it's an Ash Gray color. I really don't like white shirts as I hate doing my wash separately. Yes. Even though I'm married, I do my clothes and my wife does hers. That's what 10+ years of living alone does to a guy. They get...independent.
Anyway, the guy at arcade novelties seemed to forget that he offered that color with that print. Just point him this way if he does.
Thanks for that.
You need to take the D. Gottlieb & Co. logo that you have on the front of your shirt and have it put on a tan colored ball cap - good combination and it looks good.
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Quoted from Collin:Second game on the list is an EM El Dorado for $1400. Not very much flexibility on price, and it's a 7 hour round trip.
I am mulling it over, though. Would appreciate any input.
Not a bad deal. Not a great deal but not a bad deal either. I go on 7 hr. round trips all the time for pins and now gas prices are down which means you may save another $50+ there. Anytime you don't have to ship a pin you're ahead of the game.
Of the three titles you mentioned Abra Ca Dabra seems to be the best buy and not in quite as much demand as the others..... They're all tough pins to find.
Quoted from rebel1963:That's alot of awsome machines guys.
I'm on a quest to get my first EM but i can already see that its going to be
a hard quest to complete. Every time i find what i'm looking for its to far to
drive or some one beats me to it.
You might contact local folks who can help you find a game and go to shows local to you. And, watch Craigslist, Mr. Pinball Classifieds, ebay, etc. closely, so you get a chance to get one of those em's. I think a 1 - 4 hour one-way trip to get a game is worth it for the right title - and in very good condition.
Quoted from Collin:Thanks! I think I just needed someone to sell me on the idea of driving 8 hours total and spending over a grand for an EM.
I've got a deal worked out for El Dorado, and should be picking it up later this week.
You won't regret it!
Now, find room for the other three!
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Quoted from boilerman:finished my egg head, boy what a hard game
Looks great Dave!
Hard game to beat?
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That Hit the Deck looks great! Another great restoration.
I played one of dirt's (he had two at the time) and was surprised how fast and how fun that title was. Some of these low production games made at the end of the em era are snooze fests but not this one.
Quoted from greenechidna:G'day from Australia. Just discovered Pinside and this amazing thread.
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wayner is another pinsider (very talented guy and nice to boot) in AU who was selling his Pro Football. He's north of Sydney.
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