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#3457 9 years ago

My new baby. Backglass preservation / repair is kind of growing on me (I think it's kind of neat), playfield is near perfect. Paid $300. Cabinet art is pretty good as well, 7/10 or 8/10 on that I'd say.

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#5615 8 years ago

My pride and joy, Gottlieb's Domino from 1968. I popped the two LEDs in the bottom just to see how it blended in with the blue on the slingshots and was out to do something weird and custom at the show I bought it at since I was still taking in that it was mine! Trust me, not an LED guy at all and certainly not in EMs and it will of course be going back to normal incandescent bulbs, save the talk of it looking silly, I'm aware! Does give it a cool effect in the dark though, different from the cool warm effect of the normal bulbs. Fell in love with this title, gameplay and art, after visiting Vic's and didn't bother seeking it out anywhere as I knew it was way above my 17-year-old budget and hard to find and then one ended up falling in my lap for a more than good price funnily enough.

Original everything besides the obvious things like lamps and rubbers. I don't mind the slightly worn body, on these EMs I find even if they're worn they sure have earned it and it looks fine.

Put good slow-flashing bulbs behind the Domino text, didn't even wait to get it home from the show I bought it at to do that, lol. Happily resides in New Jersey with my other machines now. Beautiful original playfield too. Not a scratch or a ding anywhere as far as I can tell, just a little planked if anything I think.

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#5616 8 years ago

My home-use-only 1974 Williams Stratoflite. Friend I bought it from (not an EM guy) bought it from the original owner and owned it for like a month, then passed it onto me for $100 when I threw him that offer since he was open to anything. Great guy to work with always. Came with brand new rubbers, extra rubbers, and a brand new uninstalled power cord.

Had major scoring issues and was a complete mess in terms of functionality (but complete and beautiful inside), sorted that all out myself in addition to what he did (it wouldn't start when he got it and he got that far, and when I bought it it was a MESS, all digits stuck on for various individual reasons and other issues) and onto the final issue now. Glad I could save it.

Game has all original beautiful coils and relays besides the match unit coil which burnt up when he owned it due to the issues. Brand new coil in there now, works great, and disconnected until I sort out the final issue which is locking up the unit still. Flipper coils are original and wow are they powerful, I had to check if the game was set to low-tap and it is. Unbelievable.

I missed the shot but here is a video of the original flippers, no rebuilds, original coils, being strong as ever. What you see is what you get, even though I couldn't show it, when hitting the ball the velocity stays the same as when it isn't. Very very quick game:

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#5792 8 years ago

This game probably hadn't run in years upon years (it was so locked up), bought it as the "ugly duckling" in a lot from pinsider ibuypinballs here (great great guy to deal with) mainly so I could grab the other two games (knowing I would keep this though, I'm a keeper not a seller), I was expecting much worse and really only wanted games in nice condition and figured this thing was destroyed but once I got it home I saw it was actually in really nice player cosmetic condition besides being painted and the glass being flaked/painted in areas.

Well, after a fair amount of work, sweat, maybe a little blood (as usual), and luckily no tears, it lives once again to be enjoyed by not only me but also anybody who stops by and plays it. I get that these things are inanimate objects, but it sure is a very peculiar "life saving" feeling I get from looking at the picture of it now. This slow music in the background probably doesn't help, LOL. Watch that all come back to life was really a beautiful thing, something it hasn't done in years or maybe even decades.

Ball count unit, 0-9 unit, and vari-targets have all been taken apart and "rebuilt" (cleaned, sanded all contacts, springs adjusted where needed) and something weird with the start button started happening so I just wired it right up to the start relay and it does just fine. Must be a solder or harness issue, somebody got a little crafty with the wire cutters, and having it wired directly to the relay skips a few steps (saved me the whole free play adjustment thing though) but it does what it needs to do in my environment. I still need to go through the reels to make them 100%, replace a coil (only needed for player 2, unnecessary for 1-player play besides player 2's score reel lights staying lit too, so whenever I get to it is fine), and rebuild the flippers as they're a little weak but I'm bored and figured I would post this now as it's officially "back to life" after being very very dead and dormant.

Welcome back, Airport (Comet is alive too, just dead displays and caught the attract mode weird in the picture):

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#5841 8 years ago

My Mayfair (as mentioned above)

Yes, unfortunately painted white and needs a new glass, but this is one of the nicest playfields I have ever seen. All original with no touch-ups or reproduction. Absolutely stunning. Not a restorer but given the quality of the playfield it's definitely tempting. Going to at least try stripping the white paint off to see what's underneath. Pictures do NOT do it justice, aside from a bit of dirt it looks like it just came out of the factory playfield-wise. Not a knick or a scratch or a mark anywhere on the playfield besides those dirt trails to the outhole. Proud to own this game in it's condition, and very proud to own it at a price of only $200. Very grateful for all of the deals I manage to pull off. Did you use/make stencils for the cabinet?

EDIT: Looked at it a bit closer, maybe not as perfect as to call it "factory" to be fair but it's pretty close! You have to look very close to notice any tiny amount of wear, the biggest thing is only little divets in the lanes at the top and that's just in the wood itself, no art there. Great example of the machine and FAST! Still has factory clear mylar(?) around the pop bumpers.

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#5856 8 years ago

Featuring an SS, of course

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#5871 8 years ago
Quoted from Vic_Camp:

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Have you ever played Wild Life/Jungle/Jungle King, Vic? I own a beautiful Wild Life (2 player, Jungle is 4 respectively) and it was cool to read elsewhere that it was a wedgehead made for overseas, which it looks like he owns. Great game (with great art), you have to get the bonus all the way up (by hitting the rollovers, not always easy to hit!) to light the specials and it's difficult! Myself and others have yet to do it, but it's still fairly new in my collection. One of my favorites.

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#5907 8 years ago

Wow, that's a stunningly beautiful Nip-It. Now I kinda want one. I don't own any Bally EMs.

That light colored playfield theme almost makes it look newer than it is, or maybe this example is just that nice.

#5936 8 years ago

- Fixed Strato-Flite 100%
- Fixed Magnotron 100%
- Strato-Flite took a ride (well, a push) to the other side of the room as I begin to pull the final machines out of my garage and bring them down into the new pinball game room. Devil's Dare is taking it's spot. Doing so much work to these games it's crazy but right now everything in the basement is operation and 90% or more working (most 100%, minus 1 or 2 out of 6) and that's quite a lot to say when most of these games were purchased as mechanically rough projects that hadn't been maintained in years!

Played in the pitch dark last night, did it before but yesterday everything was all the way lit up and there was no gap left between the EMs anymore, unreal sight! Pictures don't do it justice unfortunately. Strato-Flite's stars were twinkling (quick incandescent flashers installed by somebody else, they work so well on this game), Magnotron's eyes were blinking, Wild Life's lion was blinking, and Comet's... everything was blinking. Backed with some Bryan Adams on the radio it was a great moment.

Short video for animation's sake:

Feeling very proud of myself and my collection, I know they're not the prettiest or the most A-level desirable games ever to others but it took a lot of work to get them running and I love them and their flaws. Still got another EM to bring down and 3 more SS. Feeling very grateful for everything, including this great community which is always there to help if needed.

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#5960 8 years ago

**NOT MINE**, but I fully repaired this 1974 Bally Amigo for a local business run by a good friend of mine. Had a TON of issues and happy I worked them all out. Wired for free play, stress tested, and ready to go into the lineup after he waxes it. Had a major ground issue and also had to go through most of the reels as the 9-position switches were adjusted closed on many of the reels, on the 4th player set if you scored 10 points you got 111, etc., lol.

Previous owner let their own cat sleep/live inside of it, no waste though, just a LOT of hair and cat dust. Luckily he vacuumed it before I got there but had to again in the middle of it, bleh. Made my throat all weird (not fully allergic, just sensitive), I don't really like cats and my body doesn't either.

Disgusting, and no, I wouldn't buy this thing for cheap, even though it's pretty cleaned up now. But luckily from the outside (unaffected) it should be a great player and it's the first EM at the location (with at least 35+ other pinball machines), so that's nice. Had a ton of fun doing it though and love helping out my friends. Will be interesting to see how it does, tweaked it so there's not much to fail. We think a lot of people will appreciate it. http://www.morristowngamevault.com/

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#5985 8 years ago
Quoted from pinwiztom:

From the photo of Tim with machine in the article,
it does show the games as Triple X, must be one of his mods.

Must be his own 2 player conversion? Keep in mind OXO is 4 player and that one is 2 player. Nothing comes up on Google for it, and there is no factory 2-player variant to OXO.

#5994 8 years ago

I use Naphtha for cleaning (first, of course) and Johnson's paste wax for waxing, and you can buy both locally at Home Depot. Works like an absolute charm and you can't mess anything up like using too much from what I've found. Napatha goes onto microfiber rags I use (make sure it's a clean nice rag, I bought brand new ones for the purpose and then wash them after) and not the playfield, and I spread the wax around on the playfield with my fingers.

#6002 8 years ago
Quoted from Diamondbed96:

Im buying a Jungle this Saturday. The guy says it works and in great shape. I'll post the pics when I get it home. He wascasking $700 for it but will take $550 for it. Im hoping its a fair price lol.

FWIW I paid $230~ (bought in a 3-game lot, did the math) for my fully working nice condition Gottlieb Wild Life, which is the 2 player version of Gottlieb's Jungle and arguably the two player games are more desirable than the 4-player games. I'd say mine was definitely a "deal" price for what I got and I did quite good on it but nothing overly spectacular for title. I think it was fair, wouldn't want to underpay to a Pinsider either, he was a great seller who I will likely buy games from in the future. $550 seems high but I guess that's retail. $700 is 110% ridiculous unless that thing is absolutely mint with like 100 plays on it.

I think you might have overpaid but I think it's a really fun game so hopefully you love it too. Even if you have to sell it at a loss at least you got a fun game and you just paid for that fun, and you'll get like a little more than half back if you ever want to sell it.

#6012 8 years ago

Owning the 2-player version, it really weirds me out seeing the big 4 player head on that title. I only realized that they did that recently (different head sizes, 4-player is significantly taller) and before thought it was just the slight age difference between my 4-player Magnotron and my 2-player Wild Life. Kind of wish they all had the same head sizes, I wonder why they had to make it bigger. The back of the 2-player game seems so empty, surprised they couldn't fit all of that in there.

Yet another reason 2-player games should be more collectible, I suppose. I wish the heads all lined nicely!

#6061 8 years ago

Prepping my pride and joy for Pinfest, day 1. Got the glass back in (garage games get their backglasses taken out for the winter months, although this is basically the last one in there since I've dedicated this room to arcade machines and downstairs to pinball but this is my "show" game and it's easier to move in there and also fits really well up there, if I'm having an arcade kind of day I still want to be able to pop onto Domino), also fixed an issue with the 10 point bell. Never knew the match unit on these ran off of 10 points. My 10 points hits the 0-9 unit bell while my 1 point hits the regular bell. Looks factory too, I guess that's how it is on this game. It's so much more common to get 10 points than 1, so I guess it makes sense of why they did this, so operators wouldn't rip both out right away...

Had the garage door wide open too. Beautiful beautiful day outside, best all year so far I think.

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#6095 8 years ago

Clown thread?

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Just kidding.

I Googled "pinball clowns" and found this.

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Dear god, it's like "IT" with red eyes. That is terrifying. "Happy Clown" seems a bit cheery.

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#6099 7 years ago

Enough clowning around.

Today (it's 4 AM for a reason...) after I got home I finished up my Domino for Allentown by cleaning and waxing the playfield, cleaned all of the plastics (the original lane plastics came all the way off and got a thorough cleaning, they look brand new and you can see the bulb filament through them they're so clean), brand new rubbers, and started replacing burned out bulbs and ended up replacing 90% of the bulbs instead with brand new nice shiny #47 bulbs since there was an odd mix in there (bunch of different numbers, not original) and since I was in some tight places that needed partial disassembly changing some bulbs, I figured I might as well change the rest in those areas too while I'm there especially since they're going to be on for hours on end for 2 or 3 days. Every single bulb behind the backglass (controlled lights included) was pulled and replaced with brand new #47 bulbs to keep heat down, besides my flashers I installed prior of course. Also fixed an issue with the bonus unit. Did leave the whatever was there under the domino advance line (besides one burned out bulb), looked nice, along with several inserts that simply didn't need it and did want to keep some original bulbs in there for old times' sake but definitely wanted 47's under all of the playfield plastics and even if I didn't, the brand new 47 bulbs were too bright compared to the older bulbs (which were dimming from age at varied levels, but not sockets, some burnt their glass which made it even more dull looking) and the old bulbs didn't show off the art as much. Went through and tested every single bulb and socket in the machine manually with a jumper wire. Looks great, this thing is evolving from being a nice player to a thing of beauty! Didn't think it could get much better but wow the little things make a huge difference! Wanted to make sure everything was completely dried up before playing and it was also too late to play a game tonight so I hope to get some good game time in myself tomorrow, should play like an absolute dream! Then tomorrow night it is getting disassembled and brought back home with me to PA (my games stay in New Jersey) and then off to Allentown in less than two weeks now! Oh, and also replaced LED lights (they were that cold blueish color, must be older LEDs) somebody put in the ball-in-play lights with brand new incandescent bulbs. I'd understand a bit more if they were hard to reach, but they're not... Hmm. Being very particular on this tune-up. Got a bit of wax on my brand new bulbs under these same plastics and pulled each one (again) and water-then-Windex'd (water to get surface junk off, also I didn't pull them right away so I used a damp corner of a rag on them then just decided to pull them when that wasn't cutting it) the hell out of the glass parts. Turned out more beautiful than before.

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#6118 7 years ago
Quoted from ZNET:

While dedicating only marginal attention to gameplay this evening, I flipped the ball, with the left flipper. The ball disappeared. It's not in the kick-out hole. It's not in the drain. Where the hell did it go? Well. . .there it is. Go figure?

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I wouldn't mind getting a ball stuck every game if I could own one of those! Love the gameplay on this title.

#6122 7 years ago
Quoted from poppapin:

Nice game!! I loved playing the AAB Rock Star at Silverball museum.

They sold the replay version to that "play pinball on a train ride" place in PA It's the most ridiculous thing ever

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#6169 7 years ago
Quoted from Toyguy:

New one just picked up at Allentown. Needs some work, but that's the fun part, right?

Step 1: Take out those colored LEDs they put beneath the score card numbers!

#6183 7 years ago

Edited this together in Photoshop from a photo I took at Pinfest. Unfortunately it had to be a bit compressed down so I could upload it here, but meant to represent the time shift between the olden times and today. Think it turned out pretty nice (and not just a simple filter)! Definitely helped the age effect that I had a nearly immaculate North Star next to my not-so-nearly-immaculate Domino!

A.K.A., I was bored and this was a really nice photo to do something with.

Less-compressed looks much nicer: http://i.imgur.com/ux2Olve.jpg

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#6192 7 years ago
Quoted from amkoepfer:

Picked up 3 in two days!

Get those 31" legs for Aquarius! I showed up at Pinfest for Wedgehead row and my game was one of the only ones with legs too short and it certainly showed. Luckily I found a pair before it officially started, but they were too rusty to level it out so I ended up using the old back legs on the front of the machine with new 3" levelers jacked up as the new back legs didn't need to be adjusted anyways. Worked great. Looking forward to getting the correct legs just to make things right. Looked so much better raised up. It's weird though, kind of gives them an entirely different feeling after raising them up after having the wrong legs on it for so long. I almost kind of like them lower from a playing perspective but I'll get used to it. Cosmetically, they do look more proper from afar with the correct legs, though.

#6203 7 years ago
Quoted from pinwiztom:

Finally got off my ass and lugged this one out of storage and upstairs and set it up.
Not playing 100% yet, as the 5000pts and 500pts are not registering,
probably some open switch on the score motor
will have to get a schematic to trace it back.
Got this Jacks Open along with some 9 other wedgeheads in a batch deal
one Super Bowl Sunday about 10 yrs ago.

I've had a few machines sit packed up for a few months but I couldn't imagine 10 years!

I would imagine most of your games are in storage or do you have one kickass building? Longest machine in storage you've got?

#6215 7 years ago
Quoted from Robo1:

Here is a freshly shopped 1956 Gottlieb 'Harbor Lites'. Simple game but great looking!

WOW, I love that theme, mainly the backglass.

Nice machine!

#6223 7 years ago
Quoted from Darcy:

Where is it going to be shipped to?

My house?

#6234 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

I took a pass on the Eager Beaver although it was offered to me. Overall it was in decent shape but I'm looking for one with a near perfect backglass which this one was not. So it's still available if somebody else wants one. But thanks for all the heads up!
Doesn't mean something else won't be coming soon though....

Could always get it in the meantime and wait for a rough one with a nice backglass, swap and sell, or just wait for a nice one overall.

It's somewhere in PA but $750 is a bit rich for my tastes. I stumbled upon this machine myself by browsing IPDB and loved it before it became the "Odin thing". Cool looking machine, wish there was more around.

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Anywho, I just got back from picking up a 1962 Williams Vagabond reverse wedgehead. Somebody sanded down the whole machine, painted it black, then glued this weird colorful paneling (like wood paneling, but a different pattern) stuff over it that will peel/snap right off.

Backglass was a lot rougher than I thought from the picture but Ron Webb did make a reproduction a while back, might be a little annoying to find one so maybe I'll just let it "come to me". Going to make this shine with ease (and do a light refresh), playfield is beautiful with minimal touchups and glass is rough but touched up pretty decently so it'll do until I can get a nicer one. Not going to put a ton of work into it but going to do a "close enough" restore. Going to repaint it white tomorrow or so before I even bother setting it up again. Leaving the sides blank for now (even though the sideart wouldn't be hard to recreate) since in my setup you can't see the sides much anyways and going to redo the classic pattern on the front of the head with some very particular painters tape and some spray paint. Sounds kinda rushed and cheap but I'm not even sure how it could get much better than that, all the rest is already pretty nice including the irreplaceable playfield. Need a few tweaks under the hood but other than that it's fully working, too.

Felt pretty unsure about this one especially after sleeping on it (after making an offer) as I'm really just trying to stick to Gottlieb Wedgeheads nowadays as I quickly run out of room, but I have an extra "slot" nothing sits in on the other side of the room for this and I'm feeling better about it now. Of course not putting it with the wedgeheads, that'd be wrong. Playfield was way too nice to pass up for a very reasonable price even if it wasn't what I was looking for.

I'll post pictures in a bit. First AAB as this game I own as this didn't have a replay version. This game was the first game to use a traditional drop target, also looks like they put the drop target face big on the flyer conveniently if it needs to redone, didn't peek at it yet, it was pretty dark in the room it was in.

#6237 7 years ago

Here's some photos of the my 1962 Williams Vagabond pickup. Unfortunately I noticed the awful touchup job as I was taking the pictures and I'll have to try my best to fix that eventually somehow. Weird, because the rest of the playfield is pretty mint besides a few spots here and there so whatever they covered up probably didn't look too bad at all.

Regardless, it should clean up overall VERY nice. Going to sand the bare cabinet down and throw that new paint on there after ripping off those awful panels somebody glued on and it'll already look 1,000x better. Excited to get that nice purple design back on there. This is such a weird feeling sudden spur of the moment project I wasn't expecting at all but I just had to grab it because the playfield was pretty nice and also because of how easy it seemed to get to back to looking original. Almost too easy!

Saw this on the way, unfortunately didn't take a turn and stop and wait for the green.

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Apparently this game was just traded in only 2 or 3 days ago towards a Gottlieb Egg Head. Glad it finally gets to stop all of this traveling soon once I get it to NJ (in PA right now) for it's new home, sure lives up to it's name!

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Continuing... (Oh, and the plastics aren't faded if it appears that way, had some weird lighting cast on them due to it still being in the car that the camera seemed to pick up)

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#6242 7 years ago
Quoted from boilerman:

be careful when you try to remove that Formica... if they used contact cement you will pull wood up with it.

Good tip, thanks. Waiting to get some time to do it. Was a beautiful day today but unfortunately was pretty busy all day, heard it's gonna rain tomorrow. Might just put it off until I get back to NJ and just do it in the basement.

I've been looking at palm sanders and had a strong flashback of shop class in middle school I totally forgot about, those things are really great handy little tools, the ones with the bags attached on the back. I remember making a project with one. They're $30 at Harbor Freight, there's like 5 different ones on the site all by the same manufacturer, all with the same price and color, same specs, with minor body shape changes, but the one I clicked on seemed to have some good reviews with it.

Is there any reasonable way to get the awful playfield touchup off without damaging the paint on the playfield, including what may be underneath? Careful alcohol or something? I was thinking maybe like using Magic Eraser and alcohol (I worry normal, but this time we're TRYING to get the paint off) and just being really careful with it once I start getting through most of the touchup. I wonder if alcohol alone would do it, paint doesn't look like it's that high quality.

#6243 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

You don't really notice the clown after a while. And drop targets every where.

Did you repaint that head or did you buy it that way?

#6261 7 years ago

Couldn't help but notice what's off to the right, too So jealous of your stored away (and not stored away) collection!

#6262 7 years ago

Not what I was expecting...

The art is in really nice original shape. At least I don't have to worry about that sander...

What's next, Goo Gone?

For the actual painted parts (front of head, top of head) might just try plain alcohol to start.

Sheesh, some people. At least it offered a nice layer of protection, it had definitely been there for quite a while.

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#6279 7 years ago

Enjoying the week alone here in NJ, getting a lot done.

Printed out my own instruction cards for the machines that were missing them (and used the exact ones I wanted), and did some rooting around in the back of my Spin-A-Card to adjust the old 3-ball scores to match. I don't know if I'm just really good at this game or if it just generally brings higher scores but I used the second-highest replay score card and definitely feel comfortable with that.

Also, here's some progress on the Vagabond. Ended up having to use plastic-bottle Goof Off (metal bottle would probably be too strong; I let it sit) and a lot of elbow grease and scraping. Used Magic Eraser and alcohol to make the whites a little less yellow from the glue. The black paint on the head started easily coming off with magic eraser and alcohol however just alcohol would probably do too.

Purple must have been the weakest color as the combination first made it start to un-fade as (I suppose) the top coats started coming off which was nice, then it started getting some white coming through. I'll probably tape off the colors and go over them with new paint, at least the white will be original and nice. I haven't gotten the coin door off yet so haven't peeled off the front yet.

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#6281 7 years ago

Gotta love needing to do a tweak and going into a schematics folder I've never opened for this thing that came with the machine and finding all of the original paperwork and even bookkeeping totals over the years. Also have the bookkeeping note for my Wild Life after ibuypinballs found it quite a while after the sale in his files and brought it to Pinfest for me. Great guy. Both machines came from him, cool to see this one has the little pamphlet of dates and play count too.

Also has a mint original copy of the coin circuitry schmatics, they came seperate apparently.

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#6319 7 years ago

Bought a palm sander to sand down the front and top of the head on Vagabond as that was actually pretty awful for some reason, but yet the art on the sides of the cabinet (and head) was not. Weird. Anyways, it should clean up nice. Found some paint that matched decently to the original paint and I'm not being too picky on this restore so it'll do even though I don't think it's a perfect match. Can't wait to finally have it downstairs. I learned that setting stuff up when the cabinet isn't done/touched and "taking it down later to do it" ends up never ever happening so I'm nailing this one out before I even set it up in my ownership for the first time.

Anyways, I also got my (goofy) picture taken. "Paint me like one of your French girls"...

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#6437 7 years ago

Things are chugging along... (Found the paint on the top and front where it was just painted black and not covered with Formica was way too bad under the paint to even bother saving by stripping the top coat off, the sides are still a WIP and were masked off though)

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#6463 7 years ago
Quoted from Drano:

Dang!
I think I see a little wear though... I'd send it back

No that's okay... I'll take it instead

#6464 7 years ago

Tape & knife later, looking good. Did it strictly by eye but I don't think it's too far off. Unfortunately I got the color on there and it was a little darker than I wanted but I think I'm going to roll with it even though I'll probably never get my taping this perfect again. I could always change it before I pull the stickers off but I have very important company coming to stay for a while tomorrow and I want this thing back in the lineup so I think it's coming off. Too dark out now for paint pictures unfortunately. It's like a grape purple, and the original is more violet although I think this color would do better things for the backglass color scheme anyways.

(Sorry for not putting this in it's own thread, just don't think it really deserved one and it'll be done tomorrow so my project spam will be gone, I promise! )

Edit: Oops, noticed the arrows are a little too high anyways.

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#6561 7 years ago

Girlfriend came to visit last week and it was great - and she loved pinball, hooray! Long story serious long distance dealio and she lives far away and finally got to stop in for a nice long visit to me here for the first time in New Jersey and we got lots of pinball in, including stopping by not 1 but 3 pinball establishments (one by accident) including the Silverball Museum in Asbury Park, NJ, and also of course my pinball room here at home.

Was feeling really down after she had to go back home after lots of airport goodbye hugs and emotions and whatnot so did some rearranging (not final) to cheer me up. Also got Vagabond finished in the nick of time before she came. Not perfect and has some pretty big imperfections but it's so much better than it was - no more flat black. Still not bad for spray paint, tape, and an x-acto knife. Yay!

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#6564 7 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

You're a trip, man! Coming to Pintastic?

Wasn't planning on it but now looking at it again, the drive is only 3 hours, I thought it was more around 5 or so. Not too bad. Might go!

Bringing anything this time around?

#6571 7 years ago
Quoted from presqueisle:

Dude if you put her through all that and she calls you back...that is a keeper.

Most of the stops were planned out in advance and she's well aware of my pinball addiction and going into an arcade we found on the street was her idea. Flew halfway across the country for me and played a ton of EM (and SS) pinball with me! Definitely a keeper!

#6578 7 years ago

Looks cooler with the lights off, as usual In the process of finally fixing up the pinball basement, excuse the slight mess.

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#6580 7 years ago
Quoted from Vic_Camp:

What kind of construction are you doing in the basement? I like the way you have your pins packed so closely together. Looks nice!

Thanks Vic! Still waiting to finish up the basement and once that's ready the whole NJ crew is invited over for sure.

Sorry for the long post but the construction has an interesting history:

My late grandfather raised canary birds in the basement so that's a lot of his old construction (he was a wonderful skilled builder, precise too), a lot of the drywall came down a few years ago because it was over 35 years old and moldy. New drywall is going to go up but I'm thinking of cutting the divider wall he put up half down vertically before I do that to keep a divider there while still keeping the room open to view and will probably make air flow nicer so it doesn't get too hot down there during parties and whatnot.

He also built two giant bird cages called "flights" (you can walk in them, it was cool as a young kid to be surrounded by many birds) on the bird side of the room (divider wall he put up at the same time in 1977 along with the flights, to separate the birds from the normal basement storage side, smart idea, the side with the most machines right now was the storage side) that I'm still in the process of taking down too. Sad to see it all go and taking apart such great craftsmanship feels like a bummer but after being there for so many years and sitting unused for the last 5 or so after my grandfather passed away and slowly being taken apart by not only myself but other family members that want it out too, it was time, and luckily makes room for my last row of machines.

He also built a ceiling-high shelf structure to serve as more bird habitats for when they nest which probably had 25 or so individual rectangle boxes in it for each bird each with a professional wire formed front which held the food and the water and the access door. Reached the ceiling down to probably knee-height, but that was taken down and out a few years ago as well. Professionally wired up all new electrical himself going across the beams to power two plug-in automatic timers that controlled both normal lights (3 fluorescent light fixtures) and night time lights (2 of those old incandescent miniature light bulbs that fit in normal light fixtures which he also mounted and wired) inside that room and the flights. Still use that work today to plug in my machines, interesting how that worked out. This basement sure has a busy hobby history.

#6581 7 years ago

Here are some photos of the above (This drywall portion I didn't take down yet, there was a walkway and then the rest of the wall would have extended where those beams can be seen in the other photo where the drywall was already knocked down)

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#6585 7 years ago
Quoted from Vic_Camp:

Thanks for the info.
What are the measurements of the basement? I see some metal ductwork, is there central air in the house or just a forced warm air heating system. Looks like your running out of space? Keep up the good work!

Didn't measure yet actually, I really should. Just heating, we still use window A/C and the main one is built into the wall upstairs. Good enough for me. Basement stays a steady temperature year round so luckily I don't need any air conditioning in the basement (very comfortable) and it stays pretty warm in the winter because of the heater and the warm house above it, maybe a light jacket if anything during the winter, also good for the machines without any harsh temperature shifts so I am thankful for that down there.

Definitely running out of space. Trying hard to save the last of my space for nice wedgeheads and trying to limit myself to those since they're what I really want, as I'm not one to sell (I usually end up missing them too much) but I have so many different ideas so we'll see what happens.

Hopefully starting a good job after the summer to hopefully fund those over time. Being pretty low budget for the rest of the machines has allowed me to lower my standards a little and find some good diamonds in the rough that not many other people have and I'm thankful for that but definitely looking forward to scooping up some more well-known titles in the future.

#6603 7 years ago

[NOT MINE]

Stopped by my friend Joe's house, he is not a Pinsider. He has some of the nicest original machines I have EVER seen, a lot of them look like they just came off of the line even though he's not as a serious collector as many here, his lineup stays the same and I don't blame him. Every time I go over there I am more astonished every time even though the games don't change.

All playfields are factory original and I think all glasses except 1 or 2 are fully original as well. All cabinet paint is original.

Funny story, he is [my mom's best friend from the 80's who I've known since I was a little kid]'s husband and that is how I found these machines by visiting them after I was already in the hobby, and it turns out he is very good friends with Vic and other NJ collectors. Very small world. He talked for a few months about stopping by a friends' house who owns machines and then months later finally said his first name (Vic), and I'm like "Oh, Vic Camp?" since I knew from Pinside and YouTube and he gave me a funny look and we laughed about it.

Beautiful machines and very fun to play. Uses quarters, nickels, and dimes in a sorted container instead of free play too and it adds a great touch to playing the machines although I personally wouldn't do it.

These machines are pristine. Sky-Line is a prototype (1 of 15) and has green doors instead of blue, a hand above the elevator on the glass, and a blue colored middle pop bumper cap, production games had a black colored one. High Hand is supposedly also a sample game but nobody is sure yet.

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#6609 7 years ago
Quoted from boilerman:

sky line, K&Q and beat the clock are repainted cabinets. i would bet a dollar to a donut

I'll have to ask. K&Q was torn apart for some restoration on the rails, etc., he told me about I'm unsure if he had it painted or not.

#6611 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

I rearranged the furniture a bit yesterday. I kind of like the way this wall turned out. We'll be lighting them up soon.

Looks really great. So you have a garage full in addition to this too? I lost track of where all of your machines are.

#6618 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

And they wouldn't be so close together if I had a basement.

That's BS, you'd just take the opportunity have 20 more games

#6622 7 years ago

Enjoying this tonight especially among the other games. Went a little too far with the Magic Eraser + Alcohol a while back which kept me from wanting to even look at it but now I'm just embracing it. It also did manage to take off some touch-up put on by somebody else that looked like it had a lot of effort put in but not exactly on color choices on the heavy wear area in the center (my mistake is off to the right of that big spot, smaller thankfully) so I'm glad that's gone.

One of these days it'll get the restoration it deserves and I'll fix the playfield mistake. This is a fun game that progresses as you drain balls, I've never seen another one than mine in person though. Brought this one back from the grave (it was very dead) a few months ago, still have a little work to do but it's still chugging along like a champ. First machine with vari-target(s).

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#6653 7 years ago
Quoted from pinwiztom:

wishing I had my skyrocket out of storage last night.

That's a pretty one!

#6657 7 years ago

Picked this up tonight at a shop I and a few other guys share for arcade and pinball repair, from an arcade friend that passes any EMs he comes across to me since he can't fix them. Gave him $100 (our usual price) and I know that was quite a bit more than he paid.

Space Mission/Space Odyssey absolutely takes the cake for the pinball machine I see the most on Craigslist and eBay times 10 around here, like if there was a top 10 Space Mission/Space Odyssey would take the top 5 spots here on the East coast. I see at least 1-3 a month, it's weird.

Anyways, needs some simple rewiring and love (it's definitely a project) but I think it will turn out pretty nice. They made thousands upon thousands of both variants (11,652 Mission, 4,300 Odyssey), I guess that's why you see them so much. Kinda bummed it's something everybody has (hah) but I'll still fix it up and get it going and hope it's a keeper. Since they were so incredibly common and usually pretty cheap I kind of strayed away from ever wanting one and it kind of turned me off from owning one but this one found me so I'll just have to grow to love it. At least I like the art, and I love the moving target idea that is always looping back and forth and not triggered one direction by a hit like on my Mayfair which uses a cool moving target that travels from side to side based on being hit. Should be a fun player.

Came with original manual and other goodies too I think, I didn't check inside the magic envelope yet.

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#6663 7 years ago
Quoted from Vic_Camp:

I had three Space Missions pass through my hands and kept the really nice one out of the bunch in my collection for a while. It's a real good player with great artwork. I think you are going to enjoy having this one in your line up. Your playfield looks real good in the pictures. How's the cabinet condition and how many plays on the game meter? The top arch doesn't look too have to much wear.

Thanks, Vic! Cabinet looks really good (just dirty), but I haven't given it too close of an inspection yet. The "border" boards on the head starting falling off, so I had to take the glass in separate and store it somewhere safe for now. They were just stapled in, should be an easy fix with tiny nails or something for the sort and won't be seen easily. Could also probably use wood glue as they fit together like puzzle pieces and will probably do that instead unless anybody has a better idea. Less invasive and if I do it right it should be unable to be seen from any angle. Looks like they used a mix of wood glue and staples at the factory for those boards.

I'll check the game meter when I can. Has some major issues in the backbox with stuff missing / broken, but luckily there were so many made so finding parts should not be a problem even if they're not universal with other titles. Only like two relays (one missing, one cracked to shreds), and I think the tiny match unit they used is broken in half if I'm not mistaken. Took a look inside of the body before I bought it and there's a hack for the start button that I'll have to fix but other than that it looks complete and not too dirty thankfully. Coin door wiring is all cut up but luckily I won't need any of that (free play) and I can fix that after it is working just to make it right and complete.

Quoted from jrpinball:

Even has the cool blue bumper caps. I've seen red ones as well.

Yep! Space Mission used blue and Space Odyssey (two-player variant) used yellow, I found that to be interesting.

#6670 7 years ago
Quoted from Hougie:

The cab paint is some "custom" deal. I have seen this posted before but what have you guys used to strip the repaint jobs?

If it's a certain kind of paint, Goof Off will do the job. I find it abrasive enough to take off the top coat of paint but (usually) leave the undercoat. Don't get the metal bottle variant though, it's in a metal bottle for a reason...

Some have found success with just alcohol and a rag if it's the right kind of paint, I think I used magic eraser once but then it gets all over your hands and dries again. PITA.

#6690 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

The eagle has landed.

More wood than 7 in the morning in a town filled with men.

Nice selection! So it wasn't only a parts game?

#6711 7 years ago

Glad somebody around here embraces the multiplayer games even though they're less detailed in terms of play than the single player machines due to the limitations. Still great fun alone or with a friend.

Quoted from o-din:

It's more fun to compete.

Totally never heard that one before

#6719 7 years ago

I always thought Gottlieb's Roller Coaster would be a fun multiplayer to own, not only because the cool ramp (which still applies in single player, of course) but also because the middle "spinning target" can be manipulated to make or break your opponent's score. I always thought that was interesting. I know they made a single player game with the same unit and it was kind of bland (probably for good reason) but it seems like it would be so much more exciting for multiplayer play.

Gottlieb's Wild Wild West also does similar things, you hit vari-targets to score points but they don't release and score points until you get them in the kickout hole connected to that particular vari-target unit, and this is also preserved between players so one player can steal your score if they get it in the kickout hole after you hit the vari-target but failed to grab your points from that same kick-out hole on your turn. This game has been on my list for quite a while now. They also made a very rare add-a-ball game called "Lariat" of this, but in my opinion it looks kind of goofy because they had to edit the art to accommodate the extra reels they added. Well done, just looks nicer on Wild Wild West in my opinion.

Pictures credit to IPDB.

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#6742 7 years ago

Not too shabby of a game on this guy yesterday.

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#6747 7 years ago

My new-to-me Williams Super Star. Spent its entire coin-operated life in Denmark/Sweden. To there and back in beautiful condition. Glad I wasn't the one who had to re-import it, this machine took quite a trek in its lifetime to get here.

Keeping Sky Jump's spot warm until I get enough money to pay the PBR bill it needs to be finished with its restoration, only $95 but definitely not instant pocket change. It will definitely be one of the nicest fully original Sky Jumps when it is finished. Cranked out all the hard work on it within the first days of ownership all in a row but now taking a break as I wait for the money to come in.

I originally wrote a very long post about what I want to do after I'm done with Sky Jump to make a row of these big-digit late 60's early 70's Williams games but decided to edit it out since it was so long and make a link to it instead, so here's that text if anybody is interested: http://pastebin.com/raw/MM2yNyaW

Here's Super Star keeping Sky Jump's spot warm as stated.

(A lot of the marks are on the glass not the playfield, just a few marks on the lower playfield and a very small portion of flaking in one spot at the bottom right of the glass but other than that it's nearly perfect)

Thanks Rando! Can't believe this sat so long for sale.

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#6750 7 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

A decent playing game but crappy artwork, especially the backglass. A beater would be an excellent candidate for a retheme.

I'm probably in the rare majority but I think I like the artwork - black was a risky color to use on the plastics and whatnot but I think it turned out a lot better than it could have.

I like the sides and would even consider putting it on the end of a row, the body stencils are a little questionable but I think the head stencil turned out really well.

Hey... if there were no ugly machines, there'd be no pretty machines!

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#6776 7 years ago
Quoted from hoov:

I'm in the same boat. I have a pristine Bank a Ball and Pop a Card I'm thinking about selling but will probably regret it. I won't find another as nice as either of these.

With the rising price of pinball, I'd say just keep them. That's what I'm doing, I'm not selling anything especially now. This pinflation is getting crazy. If I want another machine I save up for it and make some room.

Of course, my pipe dream one day is to open a museum, which warrants the hoard, but at the same time the value is getting too ridiculous to get them back for what I could sell them for as well.

#6788 7 years ago
Quoted from PhilGreg:

Also,
there's a bridge rectifier in there and the flippers (and pop bumpers too, maybe?) are DC powered. Is that a mod or did they come like that?

Williams pop-bumpers of that era are DC (and very fast, it's great), flippers should be AC IIRC but wouldn't be surprised if they were from the factory too

#6799 7 years ago

Fun game (Wild Life/Jungle/Jungle King/Jungle Life) though, I definitely think it stands up as a good one and that it is not in the "not so great" at all. I know there's the whole "multiplayers are no fun!" club but they even made 2 wedgeheads out of this one it did so well.

Racking up the bonus all the way lights SPECIAL. Finally pulled it off on my Wild Life recently for the first time after owning for 7 months. That center pop bumper is just cool, too. Never seen something quite like it. It's like the ball is in the jungle. [QUICK EDIT: Obligatory "Do you know where you are?" ]

#6801 7 years ago
Quoted from boilerman:

(Wild Life/Jungle/Jungle King/Jungle Life) are far from great.

To you. Pretty contradictory post, but to each their own.

Quoted from boilerman:

because you own one and like it doesn't make it great.

And just because you don't and don't like it doesn't make it not great, either.

Truly in the eye of the beholder! One man's Bally El Toro is another man's Gottlieb Atlantis... Sure there's a general consensus on some games where it's more common for people to like than not like (yet some still dislike them with a passion), and more often than not it's the other way around (there can only be so many "greats") but there still truly are some hidden gems out there. Of course a person won't enjoy them if they don't keep an open mind. I always keep an open mind when trying out a new game, my ratings are entirely based on my recent experiences as I wasn't around to play these when they were new or even remotely close to it. Keeping an open mind is what even brought me to EMs in the first place in a day where my peers aren't even playing pinball let alone any era of it, they're playing with their smartphones.

Comparatively, there are many people here on Pinside that will say what you are saying about this machine towards the best EM single player machine you/we as a community think exists because it's "slow, worthless, and old", without a doubt. Again, all (close-minded) opinion. Or maybe just even taste. That's totally fine too, but at least don't dictate it as fact.

Quoted from boilerman:

- what wedgeheads did they make out of these???? ("they even made 2 wedgeheads out of this one it did so well.")

Jungle King (US)/Jungle Life (Italy)

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#6806 7 years ago
Quoted from boilerman:

what was contradictory about what i said? i never said it was a bad game i said it just wasn't great. there were very few games that are truly bad. most are good to fair and yet some are great.

how do you know i have never owed it? and again! i never said i did not like it.

quite a few of my favorites are not great games but to me there are just something that grabs me. they are considered average games. i never knock someone for the games they like. there's many reasons to like a game, game play is just one factor.
i have never gotten upset because someone said xxxx game is crap.

that is your problem! you worry about what other say or think. do i care that the DMD/ss guys hate em's NO..
i do it because i like it. and you calling me " closed minded" because i don't agree with you is pretty f"= up. you don't me. you don't know what like or don't like and why.
normally i don't respond to these threads. i dislike the flame wars BUT i keep a low profile and help other when i can.
i had to respond because i am far from close minded. you need to lighten up and don't take everything so personal. it's just pinball
remember just because someone doesn't agree with you they are not close minded

Whoa, you took a lot of the things I said personally. (especially the close-minded thing) Wait a second - I was saying over a mass of people, all of that was in response to you of course but 90% of it was referencing others or any person rather than specifically yourself in the content itself. You can like what you like, and I like what I like, and I don't get offended if somebody doesn't like what I like and I'm glad you don't either. Especially if it's a certain kind of machine... saves more for me.

No hard feelings at all dude, hope you feel the same. Didn't mean for it to come off that way at all. Let's keep the peace in the EM lounge.

Back to the machines...

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#6807 7 years ago

I think I might have posted these two already but finally uploading in beautiful high resolution. (Well, until Pinside resizes it)

Was previously uploading another way and it killed the quality to the extreme. Oooh, ahhhh...

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#6820 7 years ago
Quoted from Leakyfaucet:

It's a little rough around the edges but it's my first machine. I've posted a pic in a few other areas on pinside but I lurk this thread everyday so I figure I should post here. I'll be starting a restoration documentation thread after I get back from a trip next week!

Doesn't look too rough at all to me, looks like a great example of it! Enjoy it!

Keep in mind with something that nice (unless pictures are lying) that sometimes no restoration is better than an attempted one.

#6824 7 years ago
Quoted from Leakyfaucet:

Well I'm going to completely clean everything more than thorough and sand and repaint the cabinet.... depending on how clean the PF comes and looks I might leave it alone. The BG already had a well meaning attempt at "restoration" so not sure there...

How bad is the cabinet? Looks pretty nice to me. Of course your call. But an 8/10 original is always better than a 10/10 restoration as well.

#6842 7 years ago

I've been thinking strongly about popping some red LEDs under the 7 inserts during/in my Sky Jump restoration so the inserts are more of a red than a lighter red. I saw some evidence at Pinfest that it worked well on a different title of machine. Not sure what I want to do yet.

Of course, they would be alongside of every other bulb being incandescent.

#6864 7 years ago

I all #47 everything. Obviously it's fact they're less bright than #44's but I never noticed an issue. Very close in my opinion and more protective, especially since I have all of my games on at the same time sometimes for a long time. To each their own!

Edit: Also, the difference is amazing. I can tell when I go to remove a bulb with the game on after it's been on for a little if it's a #44 or a #47. #44s are OUCH.

#6867 7 years ago
Quoted from presqueisle:

This is my favorite pinball art I think. Two guys getting together, from different backgrounds, sharing some peace.

Ahh yes, just like above.

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Blue post spotted! *eye twitch*

That has some really great art.

#6888 7 years ago

Last night I was just thinking over my machines and just really thought about how nice my Spin-A-Card is. It needs a light cleaning and new pop bumpers and I need to strip the paint off of the coin door bar, but other that it is a museum quality machine all around with no doubt in my mind. So that night (pretty late) I went down and just looked it over and admired it. Sometimes it is nice to take a step back from thinking of what is next and admiring what you already have.

The next morning I grabbed these pictures and just today I saw the score motor was missing a spacer just like I went through on my Domino (twice), so I fixed that up and it got the spinner working for the first time in my ownership. It was too late to play it though at that point, but very exciting! Definitely tomorrow...

I almost forgot how nice this thing was, it doesn't get much better than this. Even the cabinet paint is great all around. I definitely have a newfound proud feeling in owning this machine, more than before.

Pictures don't do it justice, especially before cleaning. Such a great looking machine.

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#6904 7 years ago

That See Saw art is awesome! Never knew it was bumper car themed.

#6919 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

I finally got my Eager Beaver up and running and now it is in good company. I've had a few Stenholms, but he went all out on this one.

Way to sneak in the "classiness".

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Very nice machine.

Very close to sending you sandpaper and some white paint for that San Francisco.

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#7051 7 years ago
Quoted from Lermods:

I picked up an Atlantis tonight and am really happy to have it. Its fully working, but The topside is apart and i need to put it back together and clean it up. It is a sample game. This is my first EM game and really looking forward to get to work on it. My dad had this game when I was growing up, along with volley and grand prix, and wanted to get one of my own. Love the game. Think I'm happier to now have this than any other game I've bought before...very satisfying!
Used to 90s era games so this is a huge change of pace. Just taking the head off with three connectors was pretty cool and its light! I'm sure i am going to have a lot of questions so good to have pinside as a resource.

Awesome, and welcome to the club! Did it come with posts and plastics?

#7090 7 years ago

Finally getting to go back to NJ to my games after 3+ weeks.

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Not driving alone, this one flew under everybody's radar a while back at a great deal price and it's finally making the trip (seller photos, hasn't been set up yet in my possession), it's a beauty:

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And soon enough I will have enough money to ship out my Jive Time from California (Inland Empire Craigslist) that is currently making a "hotel stop" at mikeincali's place while I save up. (Thanks again Mike) Life is good!

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#7121 7 years ago

All set up on setup day at a new local video game convention here in New Jersey (Parsippany) with a big room for arcade and pinball, representing the EM crowd. There are two or three (three is the maximum, I walked around) more here scattered inside of the room but that is it, majority is Ivan trying to sell. My Magnotron is all shined up and gone through for its first ever show and I have no doubts that it will survive the rush. My parts for my wedgeheads (the usual show lineup) didn't come yet so I decided that the robot theme was more fitting for the occasion than anything else (and was anyways, even with the show games) and went with something outside of the usual show games, that normally never leave my house.

It got cleaned, waxed, a new ball, and even a new power switch (old one was broken off but my machines are on power strips/light switches so it didn't matter) all today. Then heaved it out of the basement and got on the road! Feels refreshing to give an "old friend" its first show experience. It will be very busy here and get more play than it has probably seen in a very very long time. A beautiful thing in my opinion. Worth the terribly hard work. I do this with every show and none of them are ever up for sale, I do it out of love and enjoyment!

This, then Jersey Jack and York later this month with some other machines...

Will be doing a small "look inside" demonstration on both days of the event for about a half an hour to spread the love.

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#7125 7 years ago
Quoted from Lermods:

Atlantis all finished...leds a little cooler than i wanted, but very happy with the results overall. Couldnt figure out why a bunch of lights wouldnt work in the back box, turns they are the match lights...duh! Only took me an hour to figure that one out. My first EM!

Good job. Although, I'm sure you'll find this end of the community is much harsher and more adamant on LED use than the other ends of pinball.

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#7158 7 years ago
Quoted from Darcy:

I would give it a solid 6.0 out of 10.
Now, hopefully when the roto-target is fully functioning, I would score it slightly higher.
The game has an Extra Ball feature, which is awarded by hitting the lit Star on the roto target. The ABCD has 3 ways to earn the 10 times multiplier on the Roto-Target or 3 stand up targets, one shot re-sets the 10X, so 1 x 10 x 10 = 100 points minimum. There is one 100 point roll over, which is in the middle of the upper roll overs. With a good shot from a flipper, off of a side rubber into the top pop bumper, the pop bumper can get the ball to roll through the 100 point switch, done that a few times.
Fresh wax, new rubber rings, and some point filing, helps this game a lot.

The counter is stuck, it tries to click. Been around at least once.

If anybody wants the credit counter paper like I do, here's the scan of it (4th down):

http://www.pinballrebel.com/pinball/cards/Gottlieb.htm

I have never seen one of those before. I'm guessing they stopped putting them in at a certain year? Most of my games are after the major Gottlieb shift in design in the mid-60's, so that would explain it. My only rat-trap-reel game is my Mayfair, and with only 1 chance of having it in a machine, of course it's unlikely that I own a machine with it still intact. Will be cool to put that back in.

#7167 7 years ago

Always good fun with Todd Tuckey and his jokes.

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#7190 7 years ago

To be continued...

Preservation > Part-out

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#7194 7 years ago
Quoted from dasvis:

Bah, I have fixed worse. How is the playfield?
Evaporust is your friend.

Playfield is actually really nice, just very very dirty. The problem is, is that every coil plunger and unit and moving part is rusted stuck. But in time I know it can be fixed. It had been in a flood and the sea air for 20+ years but most of the contacts look/act fine so far, that would be the game-breaking thing for me.

Kind of daunting when you go to touch any of the drop targets and they don't budge because the whole assembly is covered in rust. (both) Will just be a process though, and a great learning experience! Ken (pinhead52) already sold me a new (old) score motor with cams and I can't wait to drop that in and switch the switch stacks over! Exciting! I can probably de-rust the old stuck one if the motor even still spins freely (it doesn't with the cams on it) but I wanted to get one foot in the door and just deal with that one later as a spare, if even possible. Since I wasn't sure, I will be much more excited to put that nice new rust-free part in as the new "heart" of the machine anyways. Like a clean slate with none of the hassle of the old one that may still end up as not working or unreliable. I love it. I am going to utilize a lot of the other parts though and de-rust them. That just seemed like the best candidate to be replaced especially as a part that otherwise usually never needs replaced under normal circumstances, so there were a lot of spares out there just sitting around waiting to be sold at a great price.

Pretty symbolic, it's like a heart transplant. A fine working part as the main thing will be pretty nice to have during the rest of troubleshooting too.

#7200 7 years ago

Speaking of the right kind of character, I hate the wrong kind of character. Today I scratched the side of my Sky Jump (small, but still) with a very nice cabinet when moving it and it's the game on the end of the row, with the scratch facing out-side.

Thankfully it was on white and you can't see it too well if you don't know what you're looking for, but I sure hate those little mishaps that can make you cringe whenever you think about it. I've seen other collectors come across little flaws they caused for the first time and I'm glad I'm not the only one who reacts the way I do. (Looks at it, looks away, looks at it again "It's not so bad, if you look at it like this", looks at it again "oh god it's awful")

Every time.

Some poor guy I know did the same exact thing (I dub it "the collector shuffle"), had the brackets of the score reels wear those classic little marks on his brand new Gottlieb Kings & Queens NOS backglass. He noticed while I was there and acted calm about it but wasn't the same for the rest of the night and kept peering over at the game. I don't blame him.

#7209 7 years ago
Quoted from MasterBroshi:

I had it working flawlessly but am running into issues now

Welcome to the EM world! Thankfully it's all really usually just adjustments and cleaning if it "worked before" unless something awful happened. I love them because of that, you can get a project game and fix it that night if you're dedicated - usually you don't need to order parts to get a game going most of the time. (Then need to order rubbers and cosmetics, but that's different as they aren't required for the game to "work")

#7226 7 years ago

Getting paid big tomorrow after a very long-term repair for a guy and doing some more pinball jobs next week, enough to first and foremost finish off my important shipping bill tomorrow on my Jive Time and also grab another game. Going outside of my hobby money but will have it all straightened out again by next week. I love that I can do what I love (repairing arcade and pinball machines) to afford buying my own. This time I finally bought a real pretty machine that doesn't need a single thing because of this little boost in pay, usually I can only afford rough projects. It feels really good. This thing has an IMMACULATE (and clean!) playfield, and a backglass and cabinet to match in great condition. On top of that, I have been wanting this game for a very very long time. I knew I had to jump on it. Last show of the year around here, after all! Looks like it has all new posts and rubbers too unless the original posts are in as great of shape as the rest of the playfield.

After playing really really nice truly collector-quality games at the Silverball Museum I have been really searching for a game with a similar "perfect" feel to it and I finally found it, and can't wait to make the rest of my games the same way. I think the polished metal (especially the coin door) and the new posts make all of the difference. I have been searching for having a game with that vibe for so long, and I finally found it! Feels brand new! And I'm so glad this is the title I got to have that on!

1968 Gottlieb "Fun Park", 580 produced, add-a-ball version of Gottlieb "Fun Land". Usually try to go for replay games but I heard that the add-a-ball version is the better version of the two and I absolutely must agree after finally playing it! I wish I took a picture of the instruction card, very inventive objective and a lot of things to change around (like what bonus/special/WOW you get: 500 points, 1 ball added, or 2 balls added, and you change this by hitting the yellow pop bumper) and genuinely a lot of fun. I think the basis of this game is my favorite so far, with a theme I really really love too!

Couldn't be happier! I think this is my nicest game yet, with my Gottlieb Spin-A-Card coming in second! What a great buy! Can't wait to put it in my lineup. (and set the rest of it back up too, considering I brought 3 others to the show...!)

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#7235 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Wonder where you heard that.

Was talking to some of my friends at the show (like Vic Camp, and others) about it and it came up a few times.

Love the alternating "special" that the replay version appears to not have. I'm really glad I ended up with this version.

#7237 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Congrats. You will probably want to keep it too.
I'm not the biggest AAB fan, but between that one and Flipper, I think I've got two of the better ones.

Thanks o-din! Yep, this is one of those "you'll have to pry from my cold dead-but-still-flipping" hands games for me.

I remember that as a new collector after my first wedgehead I saw Fun Land on IPDB and knew it was one of the games I wanted most just based off of the art alone, and I'm glad even aside from the art being one of my favorites that it (Fun Park) ended up being one of my personal favorite playing games right away. So those two great things put together, with me being able to pick it up in purely pristine condition and not needing any tweaks/service needed, needless to say I'm incredibly incredibly satisfied. Of course all of that is up to opinion on how somebody feels about the game and those are mine, and that's the point. *I* love it! And can't beat what I paid for it.

Here are the Fun Land and Fun Park playfields for comparison, quite different after all. Almost all of the playfield artwork is different (sans spinners and plastics, of course), even down to the top of the playfield in the art around the lanes. Even the center ducks appear to be redone and placed differently (with inserts laid out differently and colored differently), although I know you own one yourself o-din, now I'm just speaking to the general public: note the pop bumpers and the extra "indicated value" feature Fun Park has (pictures from IPDB, somebody mixed up the Fun Park pop bumper colors somehow by swapping yellow and red and adding an extra yellow on that machine Not my machine)

I've seen these machines for sale side by side before in somebody's collection and now I see that it would probably be totally reasonable to own both if you had the extra room and interest. I am definitely very content with what version I have though, that's for sure! If it happened the other way around maybe I would be more interested in seeking out the other, but I'm already as happy as I can be with getting the one I feel is better to start. Nobody really "needs" both as they're great different standalone games as they were originally meant to be... especially me, for my well being!

Can't wait to finish up my gameroom so I can set it up again.

Photos courtesy of IPDB (Russ Jensen & Vic Camp):

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#7240 7 years ago

Sorry for my long post again. I get a little enthusiastic and then away she goes.

Here's some more pictures from the York Show to compensate. Pictures by me. That Gottlieb Bristol Hills(!) was one of my favorite machines from the show. Truly an immaculate restoration all around. I drooled over this the whole time. If I had $1500 I would have blown it right away.

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#7241 7 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

Your original duck spinners are really nice too!

Thanks! I love the design of them as well, I really like the whole duck thing. The carnival theme is really timeless.

Quack quack!

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#7244 7 years ago
Quoted from illawarra92:

has anybdoy got repro labels for this title they could please supply? restoring a gottlieb fun park (the italian aab).

Tivoli or Fun Fair? They made those two for Italy. Fun Park is the American AAB.

Tivoli looks like a cool alternate version too, that one is quite different. Funny how they made four versions of this game!

#7248 7 years ago

Fun fact, this game was made by Chicago Coin right before Stern bought them out (halfway through), so half have the Chicago Coin markings, and half have the Stern markings.

Same with the four player version. The four player version has alternate backglass art.

Once you get it set up, let us know how it plays, I've never played one. The 60's Chicago Coin games seem nice but the early 70's ones are horrid. And I mean horrid. Playfield design was awful and I'm not a fan of their reliability either. I'm wondering if they regained it later on, the playfield layout on this one actually looks pretty nice.

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#7267 7 years ago
Quoted from Otaku:

And soon enough I will have enough money to ship out my Jive Time from California (Inland Empire Craigslist) that is currently making a "hotel stop" at mikeincali's place while I save up. (Thanks again Mike) Life is good!

A few months later from initial purchase, it's finally in the truck somewhere along its way! WOO! She's got a long journey ahead!

Will post pictures of it being unloaded and set up eventually once it gets here. ETA is October 20th, just in time for my pinball party 9 days later!

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What an exciting experience!

Here's the same overused picture of it out in California a few months ago up in the mountains:

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#7270 7 years ago
Quoted from Matesamo:

She is certainly a beauty with era specific theme and artwork. I just looked at your collection and it is great, should be a heck of a pinball party!

Thanks a lot!

#7274 7 years ago
Quoted from kermit24:

Got my first EM a few days ago. 1977 Big Hit. Love it. The playfield is sweet!

Welcome to the addiction! Just a few more months until you sell those two on the left and fill up the entire room with 'em. Enjoy the spacing while it lasts!

I call it, the "o-din".

No, but really, cool games man!

#7276 7 years ago
Quoted from boilerman:

never played odds and evens much, but that really looks clean. i always liked games with a lot of wood grain on the pf. most are all screened over. one of my favorites is "just 21" a lot of wood on that one

big hit looks really nice. one of the few wedgeheads that i haven't had the privilege of owning. i have play it a lot and really in joy it.
IMO gottliebs best em sports theme, the others are just so/so
moved a few thing around and made room for 3 more in the dungeon. move one down and now have to decide what 0ther 2 will go?

T.K.O. can certainly spend time at my house any day, y'know, if you need the room

#7278 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Around here, this is what we call an "o-din". Would you like me to mix you one?

Shh, you're supposed to ask in private! Cops are going to be bursting in your door like a high school football party, and worst of all, taking the evidence...

#7287 7 years ago
Quoted from pinwiztom:

Majorettes is kinda a half step cousin to the pop bumper between the flippers pin club
with the KickOut Hole between/below the flippers.

Then there's Mayfair. Twin auto-shooters. Cool stuff.

That Majorettes is very nice.

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#7298 7 years ago
Quoted from Fred736:

Update on the See Saw mentionned a few weeks ago.
The cabinet repaint is completed.

Playfield almost done.

Some keylining, text and final coats of clear.
Wont even dare mention the amount of hours Ive spent on this

Love it!

#7304 7 years ago
Quoted from smohr:

Got my first pin a Williams Swinger about 10 yrs ago. I picked up my first project pin in July 2016 a Williams Fun-Fest.

Note the transistion to the new-style smaller reels from 1972 Swinger to 1973 Fun Fest, even though they're the same game. Cool.

#7310 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Once warmed up I'll play this one. A little less speed, a little more strategy. Similar geometry. Many replays to be had.

In this picture we see an example of why Wedgeheads were invented... how do you even fit your hand in to use the right flipper? Tight squeeze. Maybe it's the photo angle.

#7320 7 years ago
#7325 7 years ago
Quoted from poppapin:

Been playing this one a bit recently. Love firing the ball up the spinner!!

That game looks really cool, I have never played one, and I am not a Bally guy but I think by that art and that cool playfield design I'd consider getting a project of one, one day. You definitely have a really nice example of it!

#7344 7 years ago
Quoted from hoov:

He said in the GRM article that Sweet Hearts is the most nostalgic game he owns - his Dad gave it to him in 1969

A great video by Vic (and JR) with more of this information:

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#7397 7 years ago

Since I didn't post these yet: I just got back from a 2 week vacation down in Texas with my girlfriend (who lives down there) hence the near-total inactivity, but the break was very nice and relieving especially after a year filled with lots of shows (moving games) and pinball party planning right before and hosting that just days before I left. We happily played some DMD games in a movie theater ("they found us") but aside from that I took a total break from pinball and Pinside without any struggle (didn't even try to take a break!), being that far from home was like a brand new reality. No thoughts of pinball, felt freeing. Sometimes it is really nice to take a step back, go back to the roots of who I am, and remember that this hobby is a part of my life and not my life, hah. As much as I love these machines I must say that is the way to spend such a great vacation! And of course it is all still happily here waiting for me when I get back. Oh, and I bought/scored an Airport backglass the night before going to the airport. Of course it too was put aside instantly and had to wait for my return & when I'm ready. I found the whole order thing kind of cool.

Anyways, prior to leaving for my vacation, I painted half of my gameroom (and even removed the old junky plastic basement sink for more pinball room, looks great) and then the next day Vic Camp and David (songofsixpence) stopped over for my little gameroom party. Nobody else showed up because other Halloween parties & weekend obligations had their effect, but still a great time had by all. This was the first time I had all of my wedgeheads in a row in my gameroom and it was a really stunning moment. They both got there pretty early on and helped me finish setting up the final machines. What an absolutely beautiful final result. It made me just stand back and take a nice hard look and smile.

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#7409 7 years ago
Quoted from Elvisinmypants:

This is a FUN game!

Great restoration! Looks like a great original (meaning you did a great job), or did you just strip the paint off or something? Either way, great work.

Also, I apologize for the keen eye but it appears somebody put a 60's Gottlieb score reel in the 10 point position.

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#7446 7 years ago
Quoted from bek1966:

Thanks hoov and Good catch! I forgot that the previous owner mentioned that the backglass was a repro. It's a super clean otherwise. Here are more pictures.

Wow, that is INSANELY clean! Must have been restored previously, or just a really great original? Did they shine like that from the factory?

#7457 7 years ago

One day I will get my hands on a 2001. Although I did have a lot of fun on Dimension... hmm... (You know, I was going to be a replay-only guy but when you find a gem that's an add-a-ball you just have to take it home, so now that that cherry is popped, anything goes! Kind of like how EMs in general invaded my plans of being an SS collector originally... I've got yet another add-a-ball game or two heading into my collection soon. I'm going to have one diverse collection, that's for sure! I guess when you let games find you rather than seeking them out that is how it goes and the only way it goes, but I don't mind! I don't prefer one over the other, but I've found that some games like Fun Land (since owning it) are actually much more preferable to me over the replay version.)

#7463 7 years ago
Quoted from Vic_Camp:

I remember back in 1971(I was 15 yrs old)our local vendor(Vito) un-boxing this game on the back of his old Chevy pickup truck and hauling it into the candy store for all us foaming at the mouth pinball junkies to give it a try. For sure this wedge head was an instant success. Us players had never seen a pin so spectacular with 20 colorful drop targets that seemed to disappear after being knocked down into the play field. It was a truly magical treat for us addicted players to have at our fingertips such a dynamic, fun, player friendly pinball to play for a dime or 3 plays for a quarter.

With how many games have past through your hands I wonder how many of those exact machines secretly ended up being the ones you played back in the day.

#7472 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Many years ago? You look like you a little kid in that picture. lol

'Twas a joke

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#7506 7 years ago

Love me some Majorettes. Nice work.

#7507 7 years ago

Had a string of great games on this one yesterday. Realized my double bonus was never working so I had to re-calculate my high score (second and third picture) due to lighting a huge double bonus on the last ball - then opened it up and fixed it!

This game is a ton of fun and those DC pop bumpers and kickers (and the flippers seem to be modded with DC) really make this a fast game. Can't believe this game takes flak sometimes. What a player. Can't go wrong with 4 drop targets spaced out from each other, you have to drop all of them to climb up the ladder, 4 times to light the special and each time increases the score of the top kickout hole - what a fun objective.

Multiplayers are underrated. I played this one for 2 hours or so yesterday while the wedgeheads sat untouched for a little. (I love them a lot too, but come on people) At the same time, I'm really thankful for this as I always get these for <$200 or <$100 but still provides hours of really solid genuine entertainment, man this game is fun. Crazy.

1977 Williams Liberty Bell, really nice shape:

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#7508 7 years ago

This week I've been spending a lot of my mornings on my 1955 Gottlieb Southern Belle, sometimes just going down and playing it for an hour and coming up without playing anything else. It sure has been getting a workout. Lots of repeated plays, and I mean like instant. Addictive! Man this game is FUN. I love a good challenge, and this is a real "nudger". I love it. I wasn't going to bring it down to my basement gameroom and was going to try and find another spot for it because I thought it would look way too out of place but I found an amazing spot for it and it fits right in and looks perfect to the right of my 1962 Williams Vagabond. Definitely glad I brought it down.

(Forgot the key for Vagabond at my house in PA, hence the darkness)
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#7509 7 years ago

Double trouble, these are my pride and joy (among others, lol):

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A great bunch:
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Let's not forget the wedgeheads:
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No 5?
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Deciding to do a restoration on a very worthy and little seen title after finally finding a better backglass on Craigslist of all places:
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A messy row, to be adjusted (Gottlieb Out Of Sight needed a spot):
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#7517 7 years ago
Quoted from presqueisle:

<looks for heart pills>

Shit, wrong ones!

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#7532 7 years ago
Quoted from wayner:

Completed a full resto on a GTB World Fair. On this occasion even touchup of bg went pretty well. Overall machine came up quite nice & plays beautifully. My thks to Dirt Flipper for assistance in resolving an issue with score motor not completing revolution to enable operation of replay button-turned out to be a mal adjusted 1C score motor run out switch.

Looks absolutely fantastic Wayne. What a great title, too. I've always wanted one. One day I'll splurge, but until then I'm content with just seeing pictures.

#7536 7 years ago
Quoted from heatwave:

Here is second pinball painting that my wife just finished. Close-up of my 1964 Heat Wave. I think it turned out nice, particularly the reflection on the ball:

WOW, fantastic! She's very talented. I like that she even put in the effort to include the wear on the drop target - perfect representation of most 'real' Heat Wave machines.

#7541 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

The latest addition to my collection is this 1962 two player Coquette. Not a very common machine and is unique as it is the last of the 50 volt Williams EMs and came in a cabinet style with that tall backbox that was only used for a short time. A variety of features like a swinging target, standup targets, kickout holes, rollover buttons and lanes, make it an interesting and fun game to play.
The backglass has some paint loss but is in mostly solid color areas so it should be easy to touch up. The original Plasti-Koted playfield is still in excellent shape. That extra touch of quality Williams used at the time to ensure long playboard life. And it does!
There is also what resembles a local landmark around here as part of the playfield art. Can anybody see what it is?

Played a semi-rough one of these at a show and enjoyed it for the most part. Never was a fan of the backbox style, though, or at least I'm not sure of how I feel about it.

Looks like you grabbed a particularly nice one of these! Playfield condition looks stellar.

#7561 7 years ago
Quoted from Mopar:

Thanks aahgo. Yeah, S.J.'s cabinet is just alright, but the rest of the machine is nice.
I actually have a 2nd S.J. with a poor playfield and think has a nice appron, but I'm
hoping another playfield pops up..
I once had an extra Neptune lower cabinet and just 16 miles away unexpectedly stumbled upon
a head (non-matching numbers), so I know another S.J. playfield could be out there.. (T)

Considering the rarity and high desirability of this title, I created a list of owners a few months a back, funnily enough it looks as if I had already located yours before you even joined here, I did indeed do really deep searching: http://wedgehead.net/pages/starjet.html

Not sure if you're familiar with how desirable this machine really is. Unfortunately it seems there are only few examples left of ANY of these early 60's Bally games - they are incredibly scarce, which is why finding a donor that I didn't have to modify was virtually impossible. It was really actually kind of sad looking through the list of games that shared this cabinet style then looking on Pinside and seeing so little owners or information about them - they are all almost lost in time. So that same rarity + the desirability of the art package and multiball on Star-Jet is what really makes it a gem and "holy grail" for some. They are very hard to find, some have been searching for years upon years I've heard/read. The only reason I was able to even come close to affording mine was because it had the cabinet destroyed, so it's a blessing and a curse. Welcome to the club!

#7563 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Why would Star Jet be on a website called wedghead.net. Just curious...

It's just my homepage/website, so naturally it's on there. I'm not shelling out the money to buy ballymultiplayer.com for one page, sorry!

#7566 7 years ago
Quoted from Mopar:

Otaku, you had to of dug deep. Not many knew I had a S.J. before here,
and maybe a couple knew I had two.. If I knew about your project months
ago, before you were so deep into it, I would have pushed for you to get
my 2nd just for you to have a tamplet alone, then in time you could have
search to complete the second one..
My glass I guess was okay when I got in the first S.J., but thumps up for
Shay reproducing that one.. (T)

Found the informations on your games on the Google forums (or whatever they're called) somewhere, I think a friend of yours some guy who bought something from you noted it on there or something. The link is on the page if you click the blue text by your entries.

Hey, like I said I'd always LOVE finishing a second and would drive up in a heartbeat! Not much of a seller so I'd probably just keep both and haul them around to shows.

I'm planning on bringing this one to all of the shows just to spread the love as is. Can't wait. Sharing with others is my favorite part of the hobby especially games that are harder for people to find and enjoy. To me that makes it all more than worth it!

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#7617 7 years ago

I find he tends to take breaks like this every so often, definitely not the first time he "disappeared". I hope he's doing well!

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#7633 7 years ago

Snapped some pics a few days ago - a bit messy, with the holidays hustle and bustle and all!

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#7651 7 years ago
Quoted from presqueisle:

Are those some rope light leds about to get set up?

They're on hold for Christmas (we were at home, not here at my "second home", my grandma's house, so they never got set up in the windows or outside or anything like that) and we'll probably do something with them for the new year/holidays, but after that I'm thinking the red will likely go good with my newly painted red wall.

Quoted from stashyboy:

I might have already asked you...how you like Vagabond? Game play? Great line up!

It's pretty fun! My only issue with it is the GI is pretty bad. The entire middle of the playfield is dark because they failed to add bulbs under the middle plastics at all and the things above those are metal - with no lights under them either. There are only bulbs under the plastics by the flippers and the plastics all the way at the top of the playfield. Dark or dim may be an understatement. Having this in the darker part of my gameroom has been an issue. Might buy a little light to put above it or something or try something unconventional like EL wire or LED light strips, although I shudder at the thought. Even the lights under the other plastics do not reach the actual playing field much either as the plastics are rather large, so not much light "overflows" onto the playing field itself.

Quoted from Vic_Camp:

I see you've been clearing out some furniture that was in the way of setting up more games in your basement collection? The new additions looks great!

Thanks! Yes. I moved a lot of it (the furniture) and still have to heave most of it up the stairs but definitely made more room and turned that row of games around to create more of an open feel, although I liked the row facing the other way with the back of the heads creating a wall between the two sections, each way has a different feel to the basement and it is nice to "open things up" a little.

Quoted from hoov:

You don't see Skipper come up for sale very often. Like the backglass.

I figure most people would gripe about the playfield - it really doesn't have a lot going on (no specials beside score unfortunately) but it has some fun features and a GREAT art package. I am not one of those picky Pinsiders who trash anything besides an El Dorado - I have a very very open mind and enjoy the game. Once I have it running smoothly (almost there, need to do some rebuilds to make it smooth, works though) it will be fun to compete on it and steal those vari-targets scores - you have to land in the kickout hole to obtain your vari-target hit score and reset the unit, and they do not reset between players.

Quoted from Vic_Camp:

My neighbor who I only met once that lives almost directly behind my house has a Skipper. In the 25 years I been living here, I never seen a glimpse of it. I wonder where Steve who lives close by me here in NJ got his Skipper from.

I picked this up very recently during a "pinball adventure" through Virginia, this machine came from Leesburg, Virginia. Fun time, sometimes it's nice to go a little out of the way once in a while.

#7686 7 years ago

A bit sad I couldn't pick up two purchases before the year ended due to my girlfriend visiting for the holidays (and that time is more important to me than pinball pickup time) - but as she said I need to not be so impulsive! So today I am relaxing and looking forward to celebrating. If I can schedule one of the pickups/road trips before she goes back home to Texas I am going to bring her along, she loves pinball too!

So, to ease my excitement and also have some fun:

I NEVER EVER EVER post about a machine before something is in my vehicle as that is like the golden rule of collecting any coin-op machine (and lost a $300 Gottlieb Spring Break due to posting about my purchase on here as a newbie, I had already bought the machine via buy-it-now and even paid the full amount immediately but then somebody contacted the seller through eBay private messaging and offered them more money on they took it), but the sellers of these two machines are good people and friends of mine that I have already struck a final price with and these machines are not going anywhere except when I go to pick them up.

I am looking forward to picking them up this coming January in the NEW YEAR of 2017! Hopefully will be a great year for my pinball obsession and collection!

Let's see who has eagle eyes and can spot what wedgeheads these are by using the clue(s). The black and white pictures has 2 to help narrow it down while the other one only has one. (Not including the obvious things such as what manufacturer (I also gave it away above lol) and time period they are from, I think we all know that! ) Sellers need not participate, hehe.

Happy new year! Here are the edited pictures, enjoy guessing them! Excited to go and pick them both up from different states!

Steven

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#7693 7 years ago
Quoted from Darcy:

Have to venture a guess, Road Race and Mibs.

Close! The second "clue" was that it was an add-a-ball single coin slot coin door, which means it is a Stock Car, as opposed to Road Race. I don't believe they ever sold replay games with a single coin slot at Gottlieb (the only ones being the other two styles with the other holes covered up by empty spacers or something of the sort), but even if they did, the dead giveaway is that it is lacking a start button like every other Gottlieb AAB (of the time period, at least, but probably all of them). You pretty much got it though, thanks for guessing!

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#7723 7 years ago
Quoted from Amesra:

I have one of those hallways that lead to nowhere when you go upstairs. But I think I have it figured out...

Seems like a much higher "heavy tilt" penalty That wall/railing sure is awful tiny! Be careful, even if you don't get a little too excited while playing...

#7736 7 years ago

I remember when I learned that 2-player were only made for operators with less money it took me a while to look at my 2-player variants the same way next to my 4-player machines. It's funny though, because the 2-player machines ended up being more collectible because like people said, you can see more of the artwork. (I'm not sure that's 100% true though, I noticed since the heads are shorter some of the artwork is actually CUT OFF, compare nearly any of them, but noticed it on Out Of Sight/Far Out, Wild Life/Jungle and Duotron/Magnotron personally, most pre-dominantly on Out Of Sight/Far Out where they did some major changes to the artwork, but yes you do end of seeing more of the central parts of the artwork - I'm glad I have Magnotron though, it looks much more robotic and cool with the extra reels and the art is very accommodating )

So, they level themselves out:

4-player: meant for operators with more money to spend "the better model" | 4 players can play | see less of the artwork | harder to maintain
2-player: meant for operators with less money to spend | only 2 players can play at a time | see more of the central points of the artwork | easier to maintain

Voila! Congrats on the pickup!

#7737 7 years ago

Oh, and although it seems you were more focused on the cosmetic part/size of the "bigger" game (which IMO got a lot less pretty in that era like many say), I find it fairly rare that I ever have players 3 or 4, especially in a larger collection where there is so much else to play - nobody wants to wait around. It would probably differ in a smaller collection or one with only one game. Of course your mileage may vary but that is my take on it.

By the way, Super Spin is VERY pretty. I think I might almost like that one more as well! Who knows. No reason to not feel confident in your purchase.

#7745 7 years ago

I am excited that through a deal with a local business I do arcade machine repair for, that I am beginning my foray into public operation of pinball in the town of Ephrata, PA. (For those who do not know, my collection is in Union at my grandmother's house where I often stay for weeks at a time, but my "actual" home is out in PA. So no, I am not operating 3 hours away all the time!)

I am going through two machines to start and one is an EM. I think this will be a good experience for me and I am certainly keeping the very nice games in the basement, no worries. Here is the first contender. It got pulled out of storage last night and got plugged in for the first time in my ownership - I previously did not persue this rough project Space Mission because I found there is cat hair/dander inside, I am slightly allergic, and don't want that in my collection basement because I find it impossible to ever fully get rid of in between all of the switches, wiring bundles, and mechanisms. Just feels too dirty for my home collection, but will clean up great for this. Got it running (it's a bit rough mechanically, still working through it, but is in really really beautiful cosmetic shape but not perfect enough for me to worry about) the same night at our arcade collector "shop" (shared between a few guys) in Rockaway, NJ and cleaned up the playfield. It turned out BEAUTIFUL.

Next I am going to rewire the coin door, not only because the coin door wiring was all cut up, but also because I am wiring my own already-planned circuitry for supporting a wider array of today's standards of payment. Stay tuned for that!

This will accept quarters as originally designed.

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#7748 7 years ago
Quoted from Matesamo:

Damn, the blues on the playfield are beautiful! What will you be charging per game?

Thanks! Although I can always try other settings, I am going with 50 cents per game on any older pins and 75 cents on anything a bit newer. The 1980 value of 25 cents is 73 cents today.

Although all of my personal EM games strictly always use 5 ball settings because that's the "proper" way for EM games to be played (meanwhile SS is more proper on 3), I think I am going to offer 3 balls as those 4-player games can really take forever on 5 ball. I'm not sure how I feel about that as it seems to be secretly hiding more of the game from players, but I mean that's how they were built - but also everybody seems more familiar with the 3 ball standard of later pinball and I would hate to see somebody accidentally walking away from a game after ball 3 if the game were on 5 ball settings.

My game lacks a 5c relay (it was a factory option for the very few operators still taking nickels for 10 cents a game in 1976, it steps up for 1 coin then steps up again for the second and triggers the credit unit/game start when the second coin is inserted as stated) which is the only way to accept 2 coins for 1 play, so I have designed my own circuit for accepting multiple coins in return for 1 play. I will freely demonstrate it once it is assembled.

#7754 7 years ago

#26 has been picked up! I picked this game up (certainly a collector "favorite") from my friend David who owns the Morristown Game Vault (a spectacular giant retro arcade with 90+ arcade machines and 15~ pinball machines), which is inside of an old bank, hence the curtains! He is a good friend of mine and I spend many long nights there helping out and fixing machines so we worked out a great deal. This was waiting for me upstairs away from the action, planned to go on the floor as EM #2, but a few weeks ago we both agreed it would be better off in my private collection where it can be properly cared for and tuned up amongst its own kind. (But: hopefully one day it will join me in my pipe dream of a pinball museum while still receiving that proper care... just saying: public games are great for sure don't get me wrong and I'm not saying it wouldn't survive as they are built for that, he's just not an EM guy and that mix is not the best for it, so it will be better off with me! He had just got it in from sitting unloved in a basement somewhere and covered in stuff so this is certainly still a spike in this machine's future and its revival! Perhaps even much better... it will sure get the tuning, attention (both play, cosmetically, and mechanically) and love it deserves here!)

Welcome home, Mibs! I need to rearrange before I can bring it in and set it up, so I'll post more pictures later. So happy to add yet another pinball machine to the wedgehead "family" - and another already coming soon!

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#7761 7 years ago

Welcome home Mibs! Sky Jump is still here, just took a ride to the other side of the room with the multiplayer Gottlieb games to start wedgehead row #2. Took a multiplayer down for restoration to make room for it, will likely do that again for the next wedgehead planned that will go next to Sky Jump (5-digit games together, Mibs fit better with the same-era games) and then hopefully I can enjoy that lineup for a few months! There are some multiplayer games I will absolutely never take down. I love 'em.

Enough of that talk, welcome home Mibs! Already went in and replaced the bad bulbs. I have to find my stash of GE 455's, misplaced them somewhere - but did find one and threw it in there! Love the backbox animation.

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#7768 7 years ago
Quoted from embryonjohn:

Soccer themed pinball machines are undervalued and overlooked but this one's a champ

Yours looks very nice. There were two at the York Show in bad condition (Super Soccer & Soccer) and that purple fades/gets dirty to a weird color that makes the game feel "dark" and dingy - never played another machine like that before! Maybe it's just the color scheme in general, you don't see that one too much. All shined up it looks great though.

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#7966 7 years ago

Great looking through this thread again. Hello everybody! Just got back from a 2 and a half week solo vacation abroad traveling all through the UK. Since there was no urge to check Pinside and I didn't have to force myself off like some others (or like me at home! hah!) if they even wanted to, I decided to embrace that and stay off of it more than the entire time. That was very nice, some time fully-away is always quite good on occasion! But also very glad to be back.

I am excited to be back because I can finish shopping out my "new-to-me" Gottlieb Mibs and playing pinball again in general. With all that traveling by plane, walking, trains, cabs, and busses among other things, it feels much longer as opposed to 2 and a half weeks! I guess it makes you notice the big difference of that time spent completely elsewhere vs. easily passed by at home.

I did not see (or seek hard) any pinball out but they did have these (solid-state with bulbs and numeric displays & some used LCD TV screens although those seemed to be down a lot more) legal gambling machines we can't have in literally all of the arcades (and some hotels), even the ones catered towards younger people/kids, that all looked the same and seemed to use the same bulbs as pinball machines, no LEDs though! I guess those people haven't caught on to the usability of them in the operating area... Cool though! Didn't play any - not my thing.

Anyways, just wanted to let you all know I'm not dead because I had a whopping 7 PMs!

Will be great to look through all of the pictures posted since I've been gone, nice to have such a huge stockpile to look through for once as opposed to refreshing and waiting for some haha!

Will post pictures as I get to work on the Mibs later on. Have yet to be in the basement again actually, but soon!

#7967 7 years ago
Quoted from stashyboy:

Probably about a '5'. I kept it along with the front of the head. Now nailed up in my garage. Appropriately?

That is mint compared to most Stock Car backglasses! Might be worth uploading to IPDB. For some reason backglasses for this title aged HORRIBLY.

#7991 7 years ago

Good luck with it wayner!

To me personally there is not something more simple, special, and fun (combined) than a Gottlieb King Pin. It was one of the first wedgeheads I had ever played and learned (in MINT condition at my friend Joe Riccio's house) and those although my heart learned to lay with the late 60's wedgeheads primarily, I still find something very special about those wonderful drop target rulesets from the 70's, that one especially. King Pin and Jacks Open are on the top of my list as the most inventive and fun drop target rulesets, and thankfully my friend has both in beautiful condition.

(I've told this story here before) Ironically enough he is the husband of my mom's best friend from her youth, I went over to visit them with her AFTER I had already started in the pinball hobby and his wife made note of the pinball machines in the basement and I got very excited. At that point I had owned a $300 Chicago Coin Showtime (probably the worst game, haha) and I was still only mostly seeking solid-state games and was convinced all EM games were not worth much, when he told me how he paid four figures for some of his game I remember thinking "wow, this poor guy overpaid, aren't they all $300 when they're this old even though they're fun?" - and by the end of the night I was hooked. I remember even that night King Pin was my favorite out of 8 or so mint wedgeheads, some of the nicest I have ever seen.

Going off point further, funnily enough turns out although he is not a Pinsider he had been good friends with Vic & others for years and he had talked about us visiting his friend who had machines for weeks, and finally the week before we were set to go he finally said "my friend Vic" and surprised I said "Vic Camp?" and we both had a very funny mutual confused/shocked moment of "Oh, you know him?" - I had already seen Vic's YouTube video of his wonderful collection and seen him around on Pinside and once I heard it was him we are going to see I was very very excited. We both had a great time - that was well over a year or two ago now. One of these days I will have to make it back again.

Since then I am grateful to have found friendship with Vic and people like JR as well as welcoming them to my own collection. Thankfully I have been back to my friend Joe's collection many times (only 5-10 minutes away or so, very local in our lovely little town) and take great joy in a good game of King Pin and earning those specials. Earning those little knocks is what the EM hobby is all about and what made me hooked. One day I hope to own a nice one as one of my "holy grails". I absolutely love the artwork as well.

I also found that the add-a-ball version, Gottlieb's "Pin-Up", also is definitely a lot of fun - I have played it at the Silverball Museum. The same ruleset for earning balls translates across very well.

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#7992 7 years ago

Finally hung up this piece of art in my gameroom yesterday, it's wooden/canvas about an inch thick so it's not just a poster. I love it. The art style and the slight weathered look they applied really makes it look like playfield art, I've found. It goes really well with my wall color of choice from a while back.

Not centered as I plan to hang up more cool things soon.

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#8024 7 years ago
Quoted from PoBoyPinball:

A few I picked up this weekend these took over 5 years to close the deal. My wife found these and tried to get them for me as a birthday years ago that didn't work out but the family remembered us when it was time to sell.

Worth the wait!

#8026 7 years ago
Quoted from illawarra92:

good to know, have one arriving this coming saturday

You're gonna need to build a new building

#8030 7 years ago
Quoted from TopMoose:

Didn't keep track, but I must have earned about 10 specials.

Don't forget that it keeps track for you!

#8049 7 years ago
Quoted from RWH:

Speaking of EM collections, has anyone seen or heard from the young man on here who goes by Otaku on pinside? Sent him a couple pm's with no response and when I looked him up he's not been on the site since the end of January. Thought it was funny cause he was on here a lot.
Russ

Quoted from boilerman:

he was flamed over a post he made about bgresto
i think he took everyone's advice and took a break

Quoted from dasvis:

Maybe he is still butt hurt over the Steve at PBR thing. Kids.

Quoted from electricsquirrel:

Yea.....he took that kind of hard.

I was just on vacation, no need for conspiracy theories! (And no urge to look at Pinside so I didn't)

I sent you a PM as soon as I got back Russ - hope you got it.

#8050 7 years ago
Quoted from illawarra92:

newest in the lineup..great playing game..really love the multi players from the 1960's

Mayfair is one of my favorite games in my collection. It will kick your ass over and over and scoring over 1,000 is definitely possible but not easy and not something that happens every game.

Mine was painted over white - yours looks really nice with the proper paint on the head. It looks so simple, I wonder how much of a waste of time it would be just to paint the front of the head since it's sandwiched between other games anyways.

Somebody here sent me drawn out stencils on like a clear plastic film but they're not cut so I guess you're suppose to trace them on paper and THEN cut them out to "use" them, but that's a loooot of circles to transfer over!

#8058 7 years ago
Quoted from Arcade:

Awesome. Thanks.
Makes you wonder why the caps say "When lit" on them though. lol

So if you (under decently rare circumstances) trigger them while the motor is running you don't complain that you were "cheated" out of points, hence why they shut off while the motor is running, it's pretty standard on all Gottlieb games that have always-lit pop bumpers. Many games do actually do as assumed though and only activate the lit point score sometimes through various methods/challenges.

It's funny though because if it's a single (10, 100, 1000, etc.) point score it usually doesn't run through the motor anyways, but like if you strike it while you're being awarded several points of the same denomination you may not correctly get your point score meant to be given from hitting it. Insanely rare but still. Matters more on multi-point scores (50, 500, 5000, etc.) because the motor needs to run for that - and if you need that while the motor is already running, it obviously creates an issue. So while it didn't matter much for the single-point scores, it probably became standard and also convieniently covered the extreme rarity of the single-point issues as well.

#8070 7 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

Picked this up today. Seller told me he had a lot of calls today, but I was fortunate to have seen the ad shortly after it was posted yesterday afternoon (CL). He was very honorable letting me have first shot at it since I was the first caller. No brainer!

Awesome pickup! Williams King Pin & Gottlieb King Pin are both really really great games, I hear. (I have a lot of experience with Gottlieb King Pin but not so much the Williams one)

#8093 7 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

There was one briefly at the Silverball Museum. That's the first place I ever played one. There used to be a lot more EMs there, and ones you don't see very often, but the newer stuff is starting to crowd out the vintage classics. Boo hiss!

Quoted from Vic_Camp:

All the EM's from Asbury went to the Del Ray Florida beach Silverball Museum location.

Quoted from jrpinball:

All of them? Nah, I don't think so. Where's my "Flip-a-Card"?

I went the other day and there is a healthy EM population there - still definitely not what it was before the second location opened, but doing quite alright. I think there was a bigger dip right when the other location first opened that they have since seem to have recovered from. No Flip-A-Card there.

#8094 7 years ago

Oh, and I'm still sad they sold their Blue Note to that silly(?) "pinball on a train" venture. They have a Rock Star but it's not in as nice of condition.

(I was trying to find the picture of the Blue Note on the train complete with the old Silverball Museum "topper" with the info about it and only ended up finding a comment by JR! D'oh! - http://www.pinballnews.com/news/pinballpendolino.html

Perhaps not so silly after all.)

#8098 7 years ago
Quoted from Mopar:

I really should start selling.. (T)

The moment you drop the hammer on that decision is the moment I'm driving up there. Or perhaps I will fly...

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Gigi sure is an interesting looking machine, that's a whole lot of pop bumpers on that playfield. I wonder what the record is. (and if it holds it) Definitely surpasses Slick Chick and Majorettes, just checked.

#8099 7 years ago

Speaking of which, test fit complete... not a 100% perfect fit yet (more like 98%), but with some mounting changes/additions it'll do just fine and will look great. Still have to shorten the cabinet height-wise for cosmetic purposes and have a master plan ready for that of course before it is sanded, bondo'd, and painted.

Still have to rewire the head from scratch, coming soon. Also still have yet to locate a head cabinet, might just have one built soon.

Fresh update that I haven't posted elsewhere yet: Just installed much-needed brand new fuse holders the other day, after I took this picture and posted a different update on my restoration thread. (https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/saving-1963-star-jet-saving-working-very-rare-part-out-destroyed-em)

(Yes the pop bumper bodies/caps are incorrect, came that way, will be "fixed")

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#8117 7 years ago
Quoted from Chum43:

I was feeling a teeeeeeeny bit offended by comments on my prized possession Aquarius lately. I know its not a great player but it holds huge sentimental value to me. Ive lived with it being thought of as bottom of the barrel...... until now!
Vindication????
Post from PAPA 2017 game announcement thread
Just revealed - Classics II - Gottlieb Aquarius

Aquarius is fun, from looking at the pictures again it looks like TONS of fun. Not sure on the recent hate about it, weird. I'd love to own one and it is definitely on my wedgehead 'want' list, on the top-end, actually.

My friend and fellow pinsider Vic Camp has a really nice one in his fantastic wedgehead collection and considering it made it down there out of all the wedgeheads that didn't, don't feel too bad about it!

(I've set it to play from the Aquarius part but the whole video is really good and one of my favorites, I would recommend watching the whole thing sometime if you find the time)

Sounds like he not only had it shipped to him but also shipped a crate out to get it, and he always puts many many hours in on his games so it must be a keeper for him.

I love the art on it. The late 60's (1970 & 1971 goes for that too for me*) wedgeheads take up the majority of my own wedgehead collection, unlike a lot of others. To me the 2" flippers mixed with the Art Stenholm artwork really makes for a lot of beautiful games. Some of the rulesets are some of the most diverse too.

*(1971 Playball was the first with 3" flippers but considering they still released many 2" flipper games after that, 1972 Flying Carpet looks to be the first game with 3" flippers that ended the 2" flipper era for Gottlieb, 1972 Grand Slam was the first replay wedgehead with 10,000+ scoring)

#8121 7 years ago

I remember my very first time playing wedgeheads in a collection (and 1 Williams single-player title, Beat The Clock) my friend Joe who owned them, who I've posted about a few times, asked me which my favorites were and I said something along the lines of "The ones without the small flippers!", hah.

Definitely came to love them and prefer them.

#8123 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

As much as I like a lot of Art Stenholm's work I am not crazy about that one. Same with MIBS. I went to look at one for sale and walked...
Now Surf Side, Heat Wave, and Eager Beaver are another story.

While he did a good share of wedgeheads, a lot of his great works for Gottlieb are on multiplayer titles of the time too. I love them, the little flippers especially add more "flavor" in that department and I would assume that era of multiplayers would appeal more to the picky collector than the early 70's (pre-drop-target) ones, although I very much love both. Obviously & unfortunately multiplayer titles don't hold up to the hype that the wedgeheads do (well, unless it's a copy of a 70's wedgehead playfield which adds like $600 to the cost...), but they're really great in my opinion and I have another one I actually had been seeking out a few months back (I usually let the games come to me) coming into my collection tomorrow!

I know you love Surf Side o-din, (and also love your multiplayers, which is nice to see) but it is not that one - but I get to enjoy that at the Silverball Museum and definitely would love to own one one day however.

#8126 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

It's probably pretty obvious by now most of my multiplayer games are Williams from the 60s.

Yes. Although I am a big fan and collector myself, sometimes you deserve the Williams icon more than I do!

#8133 7 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

Wow, ok. Seven is the most then. Never saw that game before.

Does it count if there's only 70 pop bumpers in the world in total for that game?

#8140 7 years ago

I usually don't seek out games and I let them find me (including the ones I actively want), but I picked up this hard-to-find beauty tonight after I was contacted from a 10-month-old expired wanted ad I made back in April of 2016, one of my only! Glad I did! It is in pretty great condition (cabinet has some wear, but if any title can do "patina" it must be this one!), exactly what I was looking for actually, matches my posted description very well and even more/beyond as it is 100% working even though I would have accepted a mechanical-project, what a plus! Looks like it was 'destined to be'. Got it before it was listed anywhere. Not many of these left at all, and a fantastic game. One day I hope to own a nice example of the extremely rare add-a-ball version, Lariat, as well. I love playing that game at the Silverball Museum. Cosmetically though I think this title is the winner perhaps! The glass is much nicer of a design in my opinion... even down to the credit counter, which is now one of my favorite designs on any game! Great way to incorporate it into the art package/theme!

I was waiting on some fund transfers in my bank so I took a look at it last Monday and finally took it home tonight in my second mini-trip (I live in PA half the time, which is where I grabbed it, pretty local town) as planned. It will be making the trek with me to my New Jersey gameroom tomorrow after spending the night in the car. Looks like it's heading back into the state it originally was shipped to according to the operator sticker, the lovely state of NJ! Looks like the company was run out of a house right off the beach of Sea Isle City, NJ. (That being said - I guess we'll see if it was on the boardwalk once I get it set up - inside-cabinet-sniff test lets you know wherever it was, especially beachfront boardwalks! Considering my location, I have a lot of boardwalk machines, definitely not a bad smell - this doesn't seem like a beachy game though, but I suppose anything goes! Realistically, I would picture it more in the suburbs (and also could have likely been, NJ has lots of small towns close together all over) - non-realistically, how about a saloon out West! Much much better and important yet, I'm picturing it in my basement gameroom already!)

Yee-haw!

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#8141 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

I finally got this Darts near where I want it to be. Tore it all apart and gave it a good tune-up. Re-glued all the inserts and touched up the playfield in several spots to the best of my ability. And a new backglass tops it all off. I'd say it's a keeper. It plays snappy and is a whole lot of fun.

And has a shelf!

#8158 7 years ago
Quoted from Mopar:

Back when, I remember picking up a Lariat for $75.00 from a Pennysaver Wanted ad.
Not in bad shape either. Wish I had more room. Sounds like another one I'd like to have
set up.. (T)

You're killin' me! That game is another grail of mine.

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#8178 7 years ago

What a beauty. Fitting in VERY nicely and still has that "new pin addition" feel!

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#8181 7 years ago
Quoted from Electrocute:

Finally got Ding Dong shopped out. This one took awhile. Lots of contact cleaning, adjustments and a shorted coil. Would never of considered this game but it was a package deal that was in my Volley purchase. After getting it running, it's a very fun game. Might Bgresto the backglass and make it a keeper. Score reels are still dirty, haven't gotten to that part.

Nice job. Took interest in the one in the market but I guess I didn't make my words serious enough because now it's pending to another No big deal, I'll find one one day, not really "on my list" per se but I wouldn't mind owning one. Gotta start thinking about space anyways.

#8183 7 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

Glad to hear that your "Ding Dong" is functioning properly!

Never forget! Thankfully even though the title was edited the link always remains

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#8185 7 years ago
Quoted from Electrocute:

That was funny. Who would ever consider a Ding Dong in their collection?

There's a truly awful Jenner joke there but I won't make it.

#8186 7 years ago

Finally got around to shopping (cleaning and waxing pretty much) my Gottlieb Mibs. Turned out beautiful. Awaiting new rubbers. This game plays really great.

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#8202 7 years ago
Quoted from illawarra92:

Gottlieb Fun Fair, the Italian AAB of Fun Park 1968..have almost finished this game after working on and off for the last 4 years. Still need to make a pedestal for the head and find some metal locking channels for the top of the backglass.
When this game arrived into Australia it was hammered and missing many parts.. the playfield was missing so much paint, especially around the lower third around the ducks.
Some of the differences for this game are the very cool AAB feature, which actually fires the ball back up the playfield to the right through the spinner..there were only a handful of Gottlieb games made with this feature..have shown photos of above and below the playfield.
When the game arrived here it was missing all of these parts, so it was a challenge to find the parts/fabricate the parts/get it working as it should.
Note on the lower apron there is no use of the word 'flipper' on the apron and also on the actual flippers.
Have kept the original coin entrance plates and the playfield glass had the awesome original Italian operators sticker, which I have on the top of the playfield so it doesn't interfere with the instruction card.
Note there was an extra dummy reel added to the right of the score.

Nice. My best condition game is my Gottlieb Fun Park (and is about as nice and minty fresh as they get, all original too), and I love the really awesome rules on this title. Often time the different versions of a game are similar but the add-a-ball versions of this game are the major winners to me certainly to where the replay version (Fun Land) can't keep up to - they hadn't create the whole "indicated value" system of Fun Park on Fun Land which is one of the best parts and one of the most important parts of Fun Park & Fun Fair and having it controlled by a pop bumper of all things is really great.

They actually made two version of this games for Italy, the other one is titled "Tivoli", and features different playfield artwork with a similar theme. Thankfully also includes the wonderful indicated value system.

To those who don't own the game and are curious of what I am talking about, on Fun Park/Fun Fair/Tivoli, winning special follows the path of what "indicated value" you have lit which changes (without cycling in a row - it follows a pretty diverse path) when the center yellow pop bumper is hit each time:

Green light: 500 points (doesn't reset targets)
Yellow light: 1 extra ball (resets targets)
Red light: 2 extra balls (resets targets) (double knocker!)

I am grateful I found this truly mint game in this condition above any other - I think it is my favorite title from Gottlieb, and it being Fun Park above Fun Land truly makes a huge difference. I could probably even own both one day as they must play quite different. Having found a game in this condition and it ending up being my favorite game is sure a really rare lucky situation. Enjoy yours!

#8210 7 years ago
Quoted from Electrocute:

Nice and clean. I like the your idea. Great way to display the brochures.
Sorry about the pics, didn't mean to post those.

You can click the X's on the pictures in the edit section and they go away

#8211 7 years ago
Quoted from pinwiztom:

Drinking so early in the morning?!?!?
or is it the hangover from the night before.

Legend has it he was committing a local robbery and saw a Gottlieb Sing Along and a cat laying on it in the guy's house and couldn't help himself to not take a picture as usual of this pinball find like the rest of us would, while running from the police

(Incase it's removed, to document my lousy joke...):

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#8224 7 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

"Golden Bells" is supposed to be in a woodrail cabinet. Yours looks to be transplanted into a later cabinet.

You forgot to add that a clown vomited all over it, I thought that was the most obvious part At least they put some bells on it too as hard as they are to see

#8235 7 years ago
Quoted from ArgosySK:

Look like just wood.

The first picture really looks like a reflection, is it just the paint having some scuffs along with the lighting that makes it look like reflection?

#8246 7 years ago

Don't own an El Dorado but always enjoy playing one at the Silverball Museum and at Vic Camp's house as well.

Infact, just stopped over there for a great party the other night, haven't been over in a while but hopefully I will be much more in the future. Great memories made along with photos and videos. I'm not sure if I even played El Dorado that night (I have before in there though) - so many other games to enjoy too and I tend to have a different taste than most. Luckily that gameroom (let alone his other two) caters to all eras of Gottlieb games.

I'll have to post/share some pictures once I unload my phone sometime. Always a great time with great friends.

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#8247 7 years ago

JR, in the beginning of this video we took you can hear your brother sounding very similar to you, representing the add-a-balls and trashing the replay machines...

#8249 7 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

I don't think he was trashing replay games, but he was saying a lot of the drop target games are better in the add-a-ball version because the targets reset. "Drop A Card", "High Hand" and "2001" are three examples of games where the add-a-ball version is a much better game. I love add-a-balls, but also like the replay games as well. I prefer "King of Diamonds" to "Diamond Jack", but only because I like the red lights on the playfield for special.

Yes, it was just a joke. We agreed on Pop-A-Card being great earlier and as you can hear in the background, I certainly prefer Fun Park to Fun Land and the whole "adjustable reward" feature that was very unique. If the case isn't that they just didn't think of it until after Fun Land was released, it was probably because winning two replays at once (instead of balls) would have made a lot of operators angry and a little poorer, hence the lack of it being in that game... Makes sense.

Love the system for extra balls though, works REALLY well. My favorite!

I agree with some replay games and some add-a-ball games sharing the spotlight though - it really varies from game to game and then onto personal opinion. Some are pretty straight across the board but then you find people picking their personal favorites even more specifically.

#8272 7 years ago
Quoted from pinwiztom:

Guesses for Rat Tomago new pin
BLY BullsEye (a true unicorn)
WMS Black Gold
GTB Gemini

Or Star-Jet I have #2 in the works myself to help finish up mine or whatever...

#8275 7 years ago
Quoted from presqueisle:

Balls-a-Poppin
Star Jet (dang, Otaku beat me too it)

Could be yet another very rare Skyrocket for the month of March (maybe March)

#8277 7 years ago
Quoted from aahgo:

Big Ben (shhh, don't jinx it!)

A mint Bally El Toro

#8310 7 years ago
Quoted from Mopar:

Last night I first thought if a woodrail - "Balls-a-Poppin"
If metal rail - "Flying Turns", but later thought different.
Not sure if I should say, but I truly have a strong feeling
that the machine ends with L, and ends with L. If so, it's
a "Wow"! I have one of these that needs much work, but it's
all there and one of these days will get to it. The end of
the week we'll find out.. (T)

Bank-A-Ball? Rack-A-Ball? Because "it's a "WOW""... Hmmm...

Damn it, now we're guessing on your guess. How does that happen?

#8312 7 years ago

This thread needs more pictures between the guessing game.

Here's my old-timer (1955 Gottlieb Southern Belle):

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Just got around to fixing a tiny issue on the second oldest that I had been meaning to do (1962 Williams Vagabond - you can also see more of the 1955 Gottlieb Southern Belle next to it to the right):

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#8313 7 years ago

Only complaint about Vagabond is the subpar GI lighting - the playfield is very dark especially since it's in like the darkest spot in the basement, literally. Seems like the other games do much better, I mean my Super Star and Jive Time get some window light (non-hazardous, it's behind a bush outside) and better "ambient" lighting from the lights above, and the Southern Belle is closer to a light (and they all just seem to get more light regardless), so I'm thinking it really is the darkest slot in the basement. When my Skyrocket restoration (only what needs done, no cabinet repaint required here) is finished it will be going where Vagabond is and I'll find a better, lighter spot for my Vagabond. The games that are a little taller seem to capture the light better and Skyrocket shines like a firework now that I have all new lighting installed. Those pictures will be posted when I have completed the restoration of it.

#8315 7 years ago
Quoted from Mopar:

My guess has been guessed.
Needs quite a bit of work, but I will be getting to
it some day..

You truly have a treasure trove of a collection - I'm always not sure what project you're gonna talk about next.

Whenever I manage to get up there I can't wait to see it all. Might have to get you an Evel backbox built beforehand.

#8327 7 years ago
Quoted from dasvis:

.... or maybe I can bring the '57 Bally Showtime bingo home that I bought last year...

Those things are huge, be careful of the "I wanted one of the small ones... not this big this in our house!"

#8333 7 years ago
Quoted from djreddog:

All,
Throwing this out there as I have done in the past for fellow pinsiders. I'm *tentatively* attending a private auction tomorrow that has a 1968 Gottlieb Fun Land up for auction. I have only seen one small picture of the machine and it looks OK from that one picture and was informed it does in fact work. I should be able to know more details tomorrow around 7-730am. I do not want this machine, nor do I want to buy it and flip it. The auction I'm attending is about 70% farm/garden stuff, so my hunch is this game could go for a low price. So what does this mean to all of you? As I have done in the past, I have been the middle man for pinball purchases and have delivered them to other pinsiders, just cover my gas costs. So if you really want this game, send me a PM. In order for me to bid on this game it would require you to send me a deposit of $100, along with your maximum bid price. If the item is not won, the $100 would be returned of course. On a side note, I will be coming to Allentown in May and can hold the game until that time. Please, serious inquiries only.

Hmm... tempting (I already own a Fun Park), but I'll likely pass If goes for under $300 though you should buy it anyways

#8343 7 years ago

Oh, so these were "after" photos, I thought so, because that thing is beautiful. I may be interested depending on the price point. Like everybody else I'd love a Fire Queen but also have adored Vulcan from seeing pictures of it as well, and the 70's four-players are cool to me. (not to mention the rest)

#8384 7 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

So you know? I'll have to get a flight out there and beat it out of you!

JR REALLY wants to know!

#8388 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

I promised I wouldn't give it away but here's a hint. There was one sitting next to the Pit Stop when I purchased it a few years ago.

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#8389 7 years ago

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#8392 7 years ago

Gottlieb's Knock Out? :O

#8395 7 years ago

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#8396 7 years ago

I removed all my info I uncovered on request of o-din. I totally get to brag once it's in his house, lol. Took screenshots of my posts before I removed them.

#8400 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

It's all good. There wasn't enough there to totally give it away. But I promised...

Yeah, I don't wanna mess up his grab. Narrowing it down that much ain't half bad though.

Still excited for pictures!

#8401 7 years ago

Just shooting the shit now. Let's hope it's not my first game, Showtime... Emptier than a desert...

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#8403 7 years ago
Quoted from EMsInKC:

People still smoke in California?

They don't care - everything causes cancer to people in California. Might as well.

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#8415 7 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

I just got back from having dinner downtown and there is a new arcade with an Expressway there that I played. So I'm guessing Expressway.

"I saw a picture of a TKO today, so I'm guessing TKO!" (replace with any rare game - only coincidentally the same game I used in my little joke earlier, used here because when I think "rare game", TKO is the one that always comes to mind but I'm sure for some it's other games like Mermaid)

Expressway has always caught my eye.

#8417 7 years ago
Quoted from Darcy:

There is a TKO at the Pinball Hall of Fame. Have played it, it is challenging to a degree. Not an open playfield, some shots are high risk. I would buy one if it could be found fairly close by.

A lot of people don't like it (especially JR, the big critic!) but I can enjoy the ruleset. I keep a really open mind and can enjoy most games.

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#8426 7 years ago

No more EM pictures from me for a little while!

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/sos-in-nj-help-needed-after-flood

Hate disassembling the gameroom as I know it (all games) but it is for the best and hopefully my games can return to a much better and prettier one after the issues are fixed and other work I couldn't do with all the games down there is done. Very very weird feeling seeing all of the titles packed up or about to be packed up after some of them have been set up for almost two years. Let me tell you, I certainly prefer my games setup and ready to play! Just gotta keep telling myself it's only temporary.

Luckily no damage for games that were on legs. Pulling them all out to save the humidity damage and also empty it out to get a french drain and sump pump put in.

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#8428 7 years ago
Quoted from Electrocute:

Gosh, how much help do you need? You've started a thread dedicated to your tragedy and seem to want lots of attention. Sorry for your loss.

A lot my EM friends have the rest of the forum disabled. Sorry to "offend you".

#8431 7 years ago
Quoted from phil-lee:

My people are from Eastern North Carolina, floods happen all the time. None of them move,they ride it out.
You can't let this freak you out, just accept it and deal with it the best you can.
My Cousin sit on the roof of his house with his dog,a 12-pack and a few cans of scrounged food the last Hurricane.A FEMA truck drove through to rescue people, he told them he was fine and even helped when their jacked-up 90,000 dollar truck broke down in his yard.
The water was 3.5 to 5 feet in depth.
Everyone I know in a flood-prone area keeps valuables up in the highest point of their house,on cinder-blocks in a barn, there are no basements.
I have seen some floods and it tends to freak you out, but it looks like you came out with light damage. Be glad the whole house isn't compromised by floating off the foundation.
Save what you can,accept the loss,move on.

Yeah, by flood I meant as in my basement rather than outside (can't compare to that), storm was pretty crazy though. I guess that's April for ya.

#8443 7 years ago
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:

Otaku your situation is disheartening. That being said please keep this type of posting off of this thread.

Posted it for the picture, decided to explain the situation. Jeez. Simple thread sure brings out the feelings around here. Not in it for the $$$. Was gonna post another one, I'll probably pass now, but turns out they look almost as cool stored next to each other as they do set up. Of course I prefer them set up though! Playable & pretty > pretty, hopefully soon they'll be back to their prior state...

Quoted from heatwave:

Plus it's playing cards, probably my favorite of all the main Gottlieb game themes (cards, cowboys, "futuristic").

Don't forget pool! (and maybe space, if that doesn't fall under futuristic, don't think so)

Pretty example of that title, by the way. Flip-A-Card is a fun player.

#8448 7 years ago
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:

I have nothing more to say to you. I asked you in a nice way to leave this thread alone. There is so much I want to type to you but it would be negative and non-constructive. It would also get me banned from the forum that I am most passionate about. I love 99% of the people on here and what they stand for in the EM forums. Try being one of those 99% in the future.
-Dan

Didn't expect that, thought we were cool Okay, I'll hush up, sure. Can't wait to post pictures again when it is all over with though and the machines are back to life and flipping away. Hopefully I am welcome to.

#8449 7 years ago
Quoted from gdonovan:

A few works in progress.. One being stripped and repainted and minor tweaking still on J.K.

Can't wait to see what Grand Tour looks like when it is done. I am happy to finally see more of these early/mid 60's Bally games brought back to life and preserved. Seems like they are finally gathering the steam they deserve.

#8453 7 years ago

Beautiful and stunning. You own two of that title?

#8514 7 years ago

Always have wanted a 4 Square, once of the first wedgeheads I saw pictures of and wanted based off of that. Still have never played one. I love the weird backglass art on that game. Unfortunately the playfield is pretty bland cosmetically (especially compared to that backglass) but the gameplay mechanics seem great. One day I'll find a nice one.

#8515 7 years ago
Quoted from boilerman:

here is the dimension i got from pinsider "Marp84" a little while back, with the help of my buddy Cliff.
After good cleaning and a few minor touchups it turned out to be real nice original.
now to set it up next to the 2001 and see which one is the better player. the looser gets SOLD

Interested to see which one you pick. A lot of people have their replay/add-a-ball favorites but it seems that 2001 vs. Dimension is always the hardest choice for most. Both great games with great, but different, artwork. Makes it a tough choice when they are so different but both so good.

#8518 7 years ago

The very small silver lining of this whole flood thing and taking all my games apart is getting to check out and appreciate the cabinet condition of the nicer games, unfortunately for better or for worse they all get mostly hidden when put into their rows.

Even if some will brag, it's not often you see something nicer than this from 1955.

Wasn't even sure I wanted this thing when I was about to buy it for $200 but with a playfield and backglass to match it probably ended up being one of my better buys, especially since the game is so damn fun. I remember when I first got it I used to come down to the basement just to spend upwards of an hour playing it and only it which was a great surprise.

The top of the Gottlieb woodrail era. Multiple playfield specials. Love it!

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#8520 7 years ago
Quoted from Electrocute:

Wrong thread Otaku!

No

#8525 7 years ago
Quoted from pinwiztom:

since that last post was mostly about a woodrail
maybe the woodrail topic thread.

Don't mind the peanut gallery Tom, they mean something else. I figured woodrails still fit nicely in the EM category though, I think the woodrail thread was just for the woodrail fanatics sick of all the metal-rail discussion inbetween woodrail posts rather than the other way around. That thread is nice though to see it all in one place. I wasn't sure if I would like owning one at first but quickly was glad I did.

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#8667 7 years ago
Quoted from ZNET:

Latest addition to the line-up (1976 Gottlieb Volley). Some cosmetic work is in the offing; nevertheless, this example of Volley is playing well. Also, a better NOS backglass has not yet been installed. The internals are very clean (only 27,689 on the play meter).
My daughter plays varsity high school tennis. Any chance that this game will draw her into the hobby? She hasn't yet seen the game in the gameroom. But, I can already imagine her response: "Seriously, Dad? Good serve, but no."

Lots of Volleys coming up lately. Yours looks extra nice. Nice grab.

#8698 7 years ago
Quoted from Vic_Camp:

I am scheduled to go look at an Eye of the Tiger tomorrow. I would be great to hear everyone's opinions about this games playability, looks, value, etc. Is this game sought after?

Yes! Quite a bit. Great player as well. I would love to own one one day, I think I like the art package just a little bit more than Sinbad and I'm also a sucker for the rarity behind this title. Not an easy one to find Vic and people want it. (So don't give too many details!) If you get it I can't wait to come over it play it.

#8708 7 years ago

Having a game so close to shipping always put a smile on my face.

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#8715 6 years ago
Quoted from Gerry:

Sold the coach but yes I used to drive her around. Ran and drove awesome. She has a new home now. .

Shoulda put a machine in there! (or a few...)

#8721 6 years ago
Quoted from Electrocute:

Isn't Whoa Nellie more of a hybrid?

Yes, but it started out early in production as an EM idea, but yes, in the end all of them are solid-state games (except the first EM prototype which used a score motor - it was a conversion from Gottlieb's 1957 "Continental Cafe" two-player machine). BUT ALSO, except the "homegrown" ones. Here is a good explanation of the game's history and also the homegrown ones of earlier on written before it was mass-made and released by Stern a month later. (This was typed in February 2015, release for WNBJM was March 2015)

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Written by Pinsider "ZNET" ( ZNET ):

In 2013, I embarked on a journey to make a home-grown version of WhizBang's brilliantly conceived Whoa Nellie! Big Juicy Melons (WNBJM). I let the reins go free on Nellie. Her gallop was sure and swift. But, there were many steeplechases to hurdle. Here's what I learned during that ride.

For those unfamiliar with the genesis of this conversion game, the idea is the product of two established and highly talented members of the pinball industry, Dennis Nordman (designer) and Greg Freres (artist). WhizBang Pinball (founded by Dennis & Greg) consulted with well-known artist and silkscreener, Wade Krause. Wade suggested benefits to creating the backglass first. Doing so would fix the theme and also serve as income source for a stand-alone product. WhizBang enjoyed technical input into the game's design from Ken Walker, Chris Edler, Mark Weyna and others. A star rollover between the 4 pop bumpers bears an inside joke "10 Weyna Lit." Even the legendary Roger Sharpe provided design input, after playing the original whitewood at the Midwest Gaming Classic. There's a Youtube video of Roger playing the whitewood.

WhizBang made 1 EM game, a conversion from a 1957 Gottlieb Continental Cafe. Dennis selected that donor game based on the fact that he had one, with a broken backglass. Dennis & Greg found a total of 4 Continental Cafe donor games. Creating the EM conversion game involved a tremendous amount of labor. Fortunately, Kerry Imming stepped in and developed a solid state system for WNBJM, which included a sound board. That development allowed WhizBang to make the remaining 3 games solid state versions (although they may have made only 2 solid state versions after the debut of the EM).

Each of the 3 or 4 WhizBang games were sold to collectors for about $14K, as I recall. WhizBang sold playfields (2 runs of which the 2nd run had some minor color improvements), decal sets and plastics (which are extra thick, by the way) to several pinball enthusiasts (like me), who ruminated about making a home-grown Nellie and who (like me) did not have $14K dedicated to purchase a single game.

Those of us wishing to do create a home-grown Nellie, discovered that the donor game was as scarce as hen's teeth. A couple of guys tried to use a similar vintage Gottlieb game as a donor (i.e. 1956 Gottlieb Toreador), only to discover that the immense conversion task was rendered impossible, without a Continental Cafe because the games shared the same ruleset. Even with the Continental Cafe as the donor, the quantum of work was enormous. For example, both the gobble hole return and the playfield arch had to be modified. The gobble hole scoop had to be customized to fit. Continental Cafe is a 2 player game whereas Nellie is a single player. The list of challenges is long. The WNBJM playfield has a much different configuration from that of Continental Cafe (e.g. multiple gobble holes on Continental Cafe versus a singular gobble hole on Nellie). Consequently, nearly all of those Nellie playfields are likely hanging on walls.

California collector, Brad Grant, set out to make a home-grown version. He successfully made the 1st home-grown Nellie. Learning that Brad was able to tackle the undertaking, I was inspired to give it a go. I was lucky to find a Continental Cafe, which resulted in the 2nd home-grown Nellie (mine). Thus, there are 2 home-grown EM Nellies (Brad's and mine). I suppose that Brad's is the west coast Nellie and mine is the east coast Nellie (I'm in NJ). Melony gets around. I hear that a couple of guys found donor games and have also undertaken the daunting project so a couple more EM home-grown versions may surface.

I outfitted my version with theme-appropriate, puerile melon "knobs" for the ball lift and shooter rods. I used the existing backbox molding and extended it to accommodate the larger lexan backglass. My design mimics the WhizBang cabinet crate design by affixing wooden planks around the cabinet decals. I covered portions of the cabinet with chicken wire. The melon crate "wallpaper"on the backbox is actually a one-of-a-kind montage. The thought of constructing a crate base crossed my mind. But, since my carpentry skills are very limited, I opted for the decorative, fluted wooden legs up front and heavier, pedestrian wooden legs for the rear. The project was arduous. Working on the game, with a cold beer "Weyna Lit" was essential because there was no blueprint. This was not a routine playfield swap.

I experimented with post colors for awhile before going with a mostly red translucent array. I opted for red flipper bats. Most importantly, I equipped my game with a 1970s vintage Gottlieb chime. So, at least the sound is politically correct. Who can argue with that melodious chime? Perhaps the Stern version will have chimes.

Brad retained a professional cabinet-maker, Steve Gligorea, to create his game's cabinet. He did so out of some kind of reclaimed fruit crate wood. Brad helped me figure out which parts to purchase, when I was stumped. [Shout out to Brad. . .thanks again!]

The WhizBang versions all included the crate. Artist Greg Freres heard about my Garden State home-grown version. Greg was kind enough to autograph my game's instruction card. Also, Greg posted photos my home-grown WNBJM on the WhizBang Facebook page. Just remember, Nellie isn't the one with the melons. Nellie is the horse. ----Bruce (February 15, 2015)

Source is on the game listing page for the ORIGINAL creation (3 units produced): https://pinside.com/pinball/archive/whoa-nellie-big-juicy-melons/stories/home-grown-big-juicy-melons-in-the-garden-state-letting-the-reins-go-free-on-nellie

#8722 6 years ago

And here is the IPDB listing for the original game, 3 produced officially and 1 EM prototype: http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=5863

#8742 6 years ago
Quoted from hoov:

$400 - $500

Really? That seems low, I think I've seen most of them go for $600-$700 in only moderate shape. It really depends on condition though.

#8744 6 years ago
Quoted from Spg101:

Anything in particular I should look for on these games? Playfield wear, cabinet condition, backglass? I don't know how much they affect the overall price.

Playfield wear is the biggest thing. Cabinets can be painted and backglasses have reproductions (some, much much today then a few years ago too) but playfields are irreplacable unless you get lucky and they are running a reproduction run of one, and even then you have to have a LOT of spending money (ready to go as well) are they are upwards of $600.

Playfield first, backglass second, cabinet last. Of course you save yourself a lot of trouble if all three are perfect. In the later 70's games you shouldn't have too too much trouble so don't jump on the first example you find if it's rough and expensive/priced like a nice one.

#8746 6 years ago
Quoted from Spg101:

Thanks, I've got the bug....

And I've got the disease. Welcome to the fun!

#8768 6 years ago
Quoted from pinballbrian:

but it makes you think.can you sell yours minus labor.I'll light a match to mine first.

I get where you're coming from in the rest, but I'd rather have a couple hundred bucks from an unfortunate sale then a game burnt into ashes, but that's just me...

$400-$500 and no game > $0 and no game, regardless of the title/hours spent/value of the game!

#8770 6 years ago
Quoted from pinballbrian:

anyone else ,say in Texas or Oregon.what's it looking like there.please let us all know.

There is a likely a rise in pins on the Dallas CL staying longer with NicoVolta (from Texas) gone out on vacation traveling around the continent fixing pins for others. Could be missin' all those good deals back home! (Yes, I know, it's much more worth it to do that though!)

#8780 6 years ago
Quoted from pinballbrian:

Be fore I would decide anything.what is your goal,full resto or decent basement banger.I know bgresto may have back glass on file .prices are $260-$300 last time I priced two of them .and we know part houses are not giving parts away. Figure about $400- 600 worth of parts,paint ect.at least that's what I'm averaging a machine lately in expenses.go from there.

Quoted from Spg101:

I appreciate the feedback. I was at the pinballmafia's house last week and played 2001 and thought it was great for being such an old game. I got into this only last year due to my 11 year old son. I've finally found something he and I can do together. He doesn't like to fix things but I enjoy "tinkering" and don't mind something that requires a little work.
I laid out big bucks for my last two and the EMs seem to be a nice bang for the buck. Heck I'll lose more when I go to sell WoZ than most EMs cost. Just looking for something fun my son and I can play and I get to "tinker" a little bit in my spare time, of which there is not much. Nothing makes you feel better than being able to fix it yourself.

Not sure about "tinker" games but pinhead52 is a good guy in Texas and always seems to have something nice for sale, not sure how close/far he is from you. If you're looking for projects though he may not be your guy, but last I checked he still had a couple games for sale.

#8781 6 years ago
Quoted from ZNET:

It was 1989 when I purchased my first pinball machine, a 1934 Rockola World’s Series to add to some vintage Coke machines. Back then, pinball parts were scarce. If you needed an obscure part, you fabricated it yourself or you did without. By 1998, I added a 1956 Gottlieb Derby Day, 1979 Stern Stars, 1981 Bally Medusa, 1973 Williams Upper Deck, a United shuffle alley and some classic arcade games. Below are some photos of my gameroom, circa 1998 (before digital photography was abundant).
I’ll never forget joining eBay in 1999 and entering a search for “pinball machine” in the field. Doing so would yield a few pages, at best. A seller, who was a stranger to me, was parting out a Rockola World’s Series. I contacted him to ask if he had the upper section of the shooter plate, which was missing from my game. It was a part which was commonly missing. He had the part! I offered to purchase the hard-to-find part. As a fellow prewar pinball enthusiast, he insisted on sending me the part and refused to accept payment. That small act of generosity made an impression upon me. It signaled to me that the passion of those who share this hobby is palpable. Ultimately,
I was able to send him a set of Rockola leg plates, as a token of my appreciation.
I am reminded of this story because so many here are eager to help others in the hobby. For example, a fellow Pinsider (bek1966), took it upon himself to send me several acorn post caps, knowing that I needed them for a restoration. They were sitting in an envelope in my mailbox this evening. Like many pinball enthusiasts, I have other hobbies. However, I know of no other hobby where the participants are so good-natured. This is doubly true of the EM collectors. I wonder if it’s because we’re essentially a bunch of adults, who now actually own the toys we so desired as kids? Whatever the reason, it’s grand.

Great post and I agree. There are many great generous people in this hobby, and that's not even talking about the great friends you make who are almost doubly willing to help out. There are always a few bad eggs in any hobby but this one definitely has a LOT more good guys than bad guys. That's why I love shows too because you're just surrounded by people who have the same love for the same things you do. Can't wait for Pinfest!

Great pictures of your 1998 gameroom, seems to look a lot different than it does now. (I was 0. ) Still have any of those games in your current gameroom?

#8782 6 years ago

The other day I drove down to Magnolia, Delaware (about 2 and a half hours) to @djreddog's party to try out his new Aerosmith machine (LOVED it! Definitely my favorite of the newer Sterns) but also fix his Conquest 200 EM pinball machine as he really wanted it in the tournament for Pinfest. This is a neat Playmatic machine from Spain that uses the wedgehead cosmetic design but uses a mix of Bally and Williams parts inside. Williams coin door. Bottom board is white painted with all of the relay names and IDs and adjustments painted on the wood and the bottom of the playfield.

I installed a new jones plug for him as well as spending a few hours rebuilding some switch stacks. Let me tell you, while a lot of the insides of the game look nice their center target design was beyond HORRID... I have a secret plan up my sleeve to rebuild the design Friday morning at Pinfest. Will be bulletproof. I'll likely post some form of an update when I do that and then I'll explain why I felt the design is beyond awful.

I fixed the game in between party festivities and game tournaments, then at the end we played Aerosmith until I finally got in the car at 3:21 AM. (What a great host, he wanted to keep going just as I did!) Got home around 6 AM then went to bed! What a great day.

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#8796 6 years ago

The best way to go! Looks BEAUTIFUL! That is one title that sure stands out from the crowd, wish I saw more of this game around. (meaning to play, not just own)

#8803 6 years ago

pinballbrian, I picked up a collector-quality (really nice) Pro Football a few weeks back but have not set it up yet due to doing some necessary work to my basement gameroom.

I have played it before and it was one of the first wedgeheads I had ever played. While I could get the impression now two years into the hobby and meeting a lot of people and hearing their preferences that it wouldn't stand up to a lot of the more picky collectors that tend to have a smaller collection that consists of aim-skill/70's drop-target games like Jacks Open, Atlantis, El Dorado, and the like - I feel it is a very enjoyable game and does not throw any shame of what you would expect from a Gottlieb wedgehead of 1973, or even a few years later. It is definitely not as advanced or sequence-based as some wedgeheads but the uniqueness of the playfield and the great art package (usually the sports themes are very dull, somehow this one was as a major exception - I'm not even a football fan) makes it a great player for me and I am very happy to own one, especially in such nice condition. They didn't use to come up at all but over the last year or so I must have seen about 8 or so (which in pinball is A TON!) that have either been for sale somewhere in the world or games that people posted about just acquiring. Very interesting.

The lack of a shooter lane (the usual from the side all the way up to the top) on this game really shows how a game can take advantage of that extra space and you don't realize how much extra space the shooter lane takes up until you play Pro Football. The targets (lanes) way at the top are fun and it feels totally different while still having the Gottlieb feel to it. The four-flipper arrangement is also very fun, and shots are generally harder to hit as you can't cradle the ball or it'll roll right through the gaps.

I would definitely pick it up if I were you, especially if the price is right.

#8848 6 years ago
Quoted from gdonovan:

I picked up a Williams Touchdown 2-3 weeks ago and have it up and running 100% aside from a missing knocker which is on the way.. hands down my favorite pin at the moment but the out lanes are brutal, brutal magnets for the ball during play. I found a picture online showing one TD pin with posts added there and now I'm wondering if it was a factory suggestion after seeing the Expo bulletin.

Was there a Williams Expo bulletin or are you just assuming there was? Most of the time back then this was the doing of random operators adding these things, as well as center posts between the flippers.

A real pity nowadays because it leaves a nasty hole in the playfield, and artwork if applicable.

#8849 6 years ago

Oops, you just edited the post. The post placement was actually not a bulletin after the fact but included during game release if I'm not mistaken, and the games (usually) had little dimples in the playfield to show the different positions rather than operators screwing it in to "normal" wood. Perhaps not this early on though since they gave a measurement for aid in finding the location?

#8851 6 years ago

Unfortunately Williams games did not come with a manual until the 70's as far as I know. I know they were an earlier adopter of the pinball manual but I do not think it was that early, in 1967 when Touchdown was released. I know for certain Gottlieb didn't until the mid 70's, just schematics, and all three major manufacturers were like that for a very very very long time.

Cosmos didn't have a manual as far as I know and that paper actually came as a standalone sheet with the game. (unless it really was a mail bulletin but due to the content that seems a little unlikely unless they didn't realize until after complaints of the released final non-sample games) You DO see a lot of things like this mostly in the form of little cards (like instruction cards) that either came with the game in terms of it being a separate piece, or a lot of that type of information got stapled to the inside of the cabinet as well, although usually it pertained more to the inner workings, systems, and settings of the game if it was stapled inside of the machine - the more "top-side" stuff was usually found elsewhere like I stated.

#8852 6 years ago

Even if they did suggest it though, the last thing I would suggest today would be screwing screws in new spots into the playfield! Drops value, both collector and monetary. Your game, though, of course. Just a warning.

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#8906 6 years ago
Quoted from Electrocute:

I might send SkyRocket to Bgresto. Can you do it and also get your original back or do they print over it?

They apparently send it back now, they used to scrape it off (Pinside through a bitchfest at me when I asked about it as I was complaining about the people who send nice glasses to be scraped off not the people who do it but of course they got it backwards lol)

Please do!

I brought mine to Pinfest for the first Skyrocket ever at Pinfest and never got the chance to seal the glass but it all stayed intact and at the very end a friend dropped the machine really hard against the feet against the concrete floor on accident due to an old pinball cart without dampening and it knocked a giant piece of the paint off. Heartbroken, but what are ya gonna do. I'll fix up the original one day but a repro would be nice for now.

#8931 6 years ago

Fully original CQ 1977 Gottlieb Team One. Immaculate playfield. (Scratches are in glass)

Had some extra dough from a hard-work month of April and from a game I flipped so brought this beautiful add-a-ball version of Abra Ca Dabra home from PinFest, among others. The big note is always "worse art - better play" when compared to Abra, but I don't mind the art nearly as much as others. Especially knowing the significance behind this title. Hello beautiful.

Across the flea market I heard this game get stuck in a brand-new reset loop, and I also knew the guy, so I jumped in quick and after some quick inspections (was WOW'd - pun not entirely intended), I got the game for my usual happy price. Great seller and highly recommended, very good guy.

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#8933 6 years ago
Quoted from orangestorm87:

Ok I'll bite. What's the significance behind the name team one?

Sorry for the confusion - I meant by the game itself, referred to as "title" (game, meaning all Team One machines) rather than the title/name literally. It's known to be a great player since it's the AAB of Abra just with a totally different theme, rather than any old sports pinball machine. Gordon Morison did have a way of making sports themes very tolerable, I love the artwork on 1973 Pro Football as well even though I'm not a sports fan.

#8939 6 years ago
Quoted from phil-lee:

So if a patch of wood is showing lower play field then it doesn't have the MSD construction? Reason I ask is there is / was a Volley with the wires clipped off from the head for sale locally.Thought this to be a poor Title.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

No idea about the construction.
It's a great game though, don't know where you heard it sucked.

If the wooden areas are painted over (usually in white) it's a particleboard playfield. This includes Volley, the Volley prototype (different playfield art), Big Hit, and Jacks Open. All (besides maybe the Volley prototype) were not defined to one type - the production runs for each were a mix between particleboard and plywood, it's hit or miss.

In my opinion Volley is a good game, and I thought it was regarded as one of the better ones. Things change though around here all the time. I thought the same about Aquarius (and I'm pretty sure it WAS), but recently it's been getting silly complaints. I still think it's a fantastic game and I have wanted one forever (and finally got one recently! So exciting!). I would definitely own a Volley if I had the chance at the right price. Vic Camp owns a very nice one, as he does an Aquarius. (That is also why I initially thought they were both pretty very well-liked titles, but of course you have to add in personal choice to the equation which is more apparent now than back then)

Honestly, it's a little refreshing to see some people have different opinions about these games finally. A few years ago it was "WEDGEHEAD?!?!?!?! OMG!" regardless of the title and the hype ignored the good or bad features about each title. As far as I remember both Volley and Aquarius were some of the greats. But it's very possible that the community opinion of Volley has changed in the meantime. I know it happened with Joker Poker EM, that was all the rage about a year and a half ago and now people are recognizing that it's starting to die down a little again.

#8942 6 years ago
Quoted from Darcy:

139135 plays???

Needs some parts, some cleaning, thanks to a fellow Pinsider I now have another interesting Gottlieb.

Sister games, woo!

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#8945 6 years ago


Quoted from dasvis:Bought that with the paypal "flooded basement" donations?

And your wife for the night (although that cost a lot less)

Added over 7 years ago: This was terrible of me to post and I apologize, I realize not only from the backlash but on my own how offensive this is (and was the point -
just to a much lesser extent, it was meant to be dumb) and I sincerely apologize.

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#8947 6 years ago


Quoted from boilerman:totally uncool!

Yeah I agree she was kinda bland...

Added over 7 years ago: This was terrible of me to post and I apologize, I realize not only from the backlash but on my own how offensive this is (and was the point -
just to a much lesser extent, it was meant to be dumb) and I sincerely apologize.

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#8949 6 years ago

Just shooting the shit. Apparently since the other end (boilerman and co. peanut gallery) goes constantly unmoderated in this otherwise-quaint little section of Pinside, a little "messing around back" shouldn't be an issue.

Don't have such a short temper. You wouldn't believe the number of people (quiet people who don't want to get publicly involved) who came up to me at Pinfest and talked bad about you without me even bringing it up. Might want to be careful of trying to name me the next community douchebag, you may be silently falling into the role yourself...

#8951 6 years ago
Quoted from Darcy:

139135 plays??? Only 229 assembled, according to IPDB.

Needs some parts, some cleaning, thanks to a fellow Pinsider I now have another interesting Gottlieb.

Blue Note <3 (Recognized the production count and confirmed with IPDB haha)

Has to be one of my top 3 favorite wedgeheads and has been for a very long time. Will be the cherry on top of my own collection when I find one one day. Love everything about it. Enjoy yours, and congratulations!

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#9748 6 years ago
Quoted from Toyguy:

Just added this to the collection. Fast and furious with the DC power, she plays perfectly. It will eventually need a restoration but it's fine for now.

Playfield looks nice. Good score!

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#10602 6 years ago

I don't post here anymore and have no plans to return (I'm sure it's best for everybody - forums are clearly not my forte) but wanted to pop in and say hello. I'm doing very well.

If I can't say I'm doing well myself, 2 tons of pinball on the road should! Even without Pinside my passion is higher than ever and still scoring $100 deals left and right. Hobby is well and good in the middle of PA. Even the Amish can't resist

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#10854 5 years ago
Quoted from Vic_Camp:

I purchased this game below at the 2002 Allentown Show (16 years ago) and has been in my collection ever since. Its never given me any issues after I restored it and plays really good and has been working 100% for all these years, but its time for it to go to a new home after I go through the game again. I will be posting it for sale soon.
The game doesn't have any sling shots or plastic's and isn't like most other wedgeheads, but this unique design playfield layout is a sensational player (read my game play on IPDB). I have fond memories of playing this great player thousands of plays at my grandmothers basement which was just a few doors down from our house back in 1965 to 1970.
I purchased a better condition Show Boat while I was in Florida vacationing from a great seller from PA and he brought it to this years Allentown Show for me after I wired the payment to him. Although I didn't attend this years show for the first in 20+ years, I managed to have a close friend get the game and bring it safely to my home, where I have been restoring it since May 8th. I will post some pictures of my newly acquired Show Boat soon when I complete the restoration.

Sent you an e-mail my friend.

#10855 5 years ago

Long time no see. Not a machine but working on a new interactive guide to beat my old one as a part of a much healthier and less controversial comeback of my true self. Coming back to help out around the EM tech forums and staying away from any general or controversial discussion.

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#10859 5 years ago
Quoted from ckcsm:

Vic, wow what a write up.

I spent a lot of time reading through a medium sized portion of his pinball owners page, good stuff: http://www.pinballowners.com/campgames

Tried to do the same for my own pinball owners page but even as a man with a lot of words I got tired out and never finished.

As for Show Boat, I would probably mod the flipper arrangement to make the two left flippers and two right flippers on the same circuit. I thought of this while at his place playing the game, but I guess it's the common mod he is talking about as well. Great minds think alike! Although I would probably try giving the original layout a chance. Practice makes perfect with that, I suppose.

#10868 5 years ago

I was drudging around my storage the other day and realized I never took a close look at this backglass. Thing is mint! I will have to check if it is a repro or just a really nice original.

Picked this up a few months ago down in Maryland for $50, missing the bottom board. Going to either rewire by hand because I'm a lunatic or put an Arduino computer in it and turn the ruleset into code by hand. The nice thing about rewiring by hand is it is almost crazy how little wiring these early 70's wedgeheads have on the bottom board. This game, High Hand, and Pop-A-Card are the games that I have seen that have the funniest looking bottom boards because the game rules are made up of just a handful of relays.

That wood paneling stuff peels off real nice with a heat gun so that is not a concern. Most times they act as really nice protectors too especially when they were put on when the art was less than 10 years old so I might be able to pull it off and find some really nice original artwork underneath.

King Pin is such a fantastic game. One of our absolute favorites.

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#10872 5 years ago

Ain't nothing like wedgeheads in a row Vic! My collection has moved and isn't set up right now but the best part is when I set it back up I have 4 or 5 more to add to the row. I had a hard time fitting them all is one picture which is also something I am looking forward to changing as I expand my horizons.

Guess who encouraged me to set them up in chronological order. LOL!

Had it even down to the month on games with matching years.

1968 Gottlieb Fun Park
1968 Gottlieb Domino
1969 Gottlieb Spin-A-Card
1969 Gottlieb Mibs
1970 Gottlieb Aquarius
1973 Gottlieb Pro Football
1973 Gottlieb High Hand
1974 Gottlieb Sky Jump

Still to come in the new collection:
1970 Gottlieb Stock Car
1971 Gottlieb 4 Square
1973 Gottlieb King Pin
1977 Gottlieb Team One
Maybe more? I forget if I have any others.

Nabbing 4 Square and King Pin was hard. I don't think it has hit me yet I get to have all those in one spot because I have been seeking 4 Square for years
and never even played it before, still haven't. I am running out of games to want!

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#10876 5 years ago
Quoted from Grayman_EM:

I played 4 Square in 1973 and was challenging for a 11 year old. Some here don't like it but I did and hope you do too.

We here in my household like the idea of the ruleset. Definitely looking forward to trying it soon. The creepy art is cool too. Funny how weird the backglass is and how simple and almost art-less the playfield is.

#10887 5 years ago

I like the purple LED look. Goes well with tbe theme. To each their own.

#10888 5 years ago
Quoted from tengle93:

Just added a new wedgehead to my lineup. Been looking for a Sky Jump for awhile but when this one showed up for $150 I “jumped” on it! I think it’s the coolest backglass! Good to see you’re back with a new positive vibe, good for you and good luck with your arcade venture.

Thank you! Nice score!

#10914 5 years ago

Would like to get my hands on a Pleasure Isle one day. Was that the rare one, or Paradise? As for Bongo, well, I'd like it if I could just have its cabinet.

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#10933 5 years ago

Vic, I saw a beautiful Show Boat in a basement in a giantly remote location out in West Pennsylvania (3+ hours from me, likely 7+ hours from you) during somewhat of a bizarre pickup (had to drive through 10-20 minutes of unpaved roads, through the woods, and across a farm - scary - but still somehow a public road!) on my project Gottlieb Slick Chick. I entered his basement to see his collection, saw the Show Boat, and thought about you the whole time as it was nicer than your previous one and wondered if you would upgrade. I don't think I ever passed on the lead as it seemed kind of distant for you. I think he said he was bringing it to Pinfest. It would be funny if that was the one you ended up grabbing at the show.

Please keep me updating on the sale of the other one.

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