Quoted from DropTarget:A few pics.....
Not really bad looking in the photos, but why do the score numbers look blue?
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Bally, 1976
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Quoted from DropTarget:Too much to mention, and kind personal
Did I OD on Viagra?
Quoted from TheCnyPinGuy:My buddy made me a BG for my GTB Stock Car
It’s actually a decal applied to my assisting glass
So, it's applied to the FRONT of the glass?
WD-40 has it's uses, but not for lubricating anything on a pinball machine except maybe the leg levelers and coin door hinge, but there's better stuff around for even those two items.
Quoted from Grayman_EM:What price do you have set for the items? Going old school or current on those prices? Looks just like I remember. Now you need a chip, cigarette and Pepsi machine.
Sorry I like Pepsi more than Coke.
Pepsi is Communist. Coke is it!
Quoted from DropTarget:55¢ I think that's as high as it can be set. I like Pepsi better too, but I do have a coke machine.
Fuggedaboud Pepsi. Coke is it!
Quoted from Grayman_EM:you could go with a Ale8 made in Kentucky!
I bet that would go very well with that considerably more potent liquid that is also made in Kentucky!
Quoted from pinheadpierre:I picked up a San Francisco and a Moulin Rouge a little over a year ago as learning objects. Neither worked.
They were cosmetically and mechanically in bad shape. I used them to practice playfield and cabinet restoration figuring that I couldn't make them any worse. Both got extensive playfield paint work and clear coats. The cabinets got stripped and repainted inside and out. Nearly every switch got cleaned, polished and adjusted. I remade all of the plastics for Moulin Rouge. Now that they are pretty much done I have happily discovered that I really enjoy playing them, too! (I wasn't sure that would be the case since I had never played a good dialed in example of either one.) Next up in the project queue - Old Chicago and Space Mission.
Truly outstanding work. Bravo! "Moulin Rouge" is an excellent player. I see you even made the very rare center "plastic". The actual one is metal, but it was only on sample games and maybe some of the early production ones. I had an image of the graphic design on it, but I can't seem to find it at the moment.
Quoted from AlexF:Sold off a bunch of stuff recently to help pay for some home renovation. Still have enough games to fill a wall in the game room. Just got this Williams Jig Saw from a buddy in partial trade. The Little Chief from another buddy a couple months back. Bowlette came home last Summer. 4 Bagger and Skill Roll have been with me since the early days.
Nice lineup. How's the playfield on your "Jig Saw"? Most I've seen are shot. Also, does yours have a Williams "lightning bolt" logo toward the bottom of the playfield, or just a circle? I've seen them both ways. I think some "Jig Saw" machines had a game over relay, and others did not. I'm not sure if every backglass is screened with "game over" or not. Does yours light "game over" and shut off playfield power after the last ball drains?
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Quoted from DropTarget:Was there one?
He hinted now and then. Your "Lucky Strike" for his "King Pin". Or didn't he ever mention it?
1 week later
Quoted from Robo1:Here is a few of my 50's and 60's Gottliebs. I love theses games!
So that's where they all went!
Quoted from Mudflaps:I’ll break the ice by telling him how many NIB Sterns I’ve bought. That should impress him.
No. It won't!
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Quoted from eagle18:Nice tune from HS and earlier pinball days!
Yeah. Love "the Dan". But I was thinking ELP:
"soon the Gypsy Queen...in a glaze of Vaseline...will perform on guillotine...what a scene, what a scene..."
Quoted from NicoVolta:Yep... for me, Bow & Arrow is the game in the EM hall of history where you go... whoa... something is different here... big backglass... powerful pops... feels like a whole new level. Pretty much the big "shot across the bow" when Bally and Williams stole Gottlieb's thunder and began to get REALLY good.
I had one that played so damn fast after shopping it, that it dawned on me why they needed to go SS.
They made a good choice selecting that model as a prototype SS.
Ooh. Get rid of those metal flippers!
I'll trade ya a couple of plastic ones for them. 
Nice clean up on that game!
Quoted from newracer:Are the metal not original?
No. They were used on some Williams games, but not Gottlieb. They are one piece, with an integral shaft, whereas the Gottliebs use a separate plastic flipper bat which is attached to the shoe and shaft assembly with a long screw at the pivot point.
See this:http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1003&picno=23244
They obviously are interchangeable, and this was done by a serviceman, or someone else somewhere along the line.
Quoted from Mopar:A couple weeks ago, I made a trading deal to a well known (and liked) participate on this group
for this pin which was one of the last on my wanted list. Only one left on the list is Space Walk...
And I know, "Don't hold my breath"..
Ooh, that's nice! Hmm. Who made that great looking S/I card?
Quoted from Mopar:I have done that on Cowpoke, but 4 free balls..
"Buckaroo" will also give you four replays if you get the number four last.
"Flipper Cowboy" same as "Cow-Poke".
"Spin Out" is sometimes referred to as the poor man's "Buckaroo".
Quoted from PinballFever:My grail pin arrived safe & sound. Any guesses what it is?
"King Tut"? 
Quoted from PinballFever:Nope. Here it is and it's an unmolested beauty.
Holy cow! That's a beauty. Didn't you have another one?
Edit: Yes, I see you have them next to each other on the woodrails thread.
I didn't realize it's another one of the pinball/bingo hybrid series that Williams ran.
Quoted from chubtoad13:There are so many conflicting ideas, it’s kind of overwhelming. Naphtha vs Novus vs Whatever to clean the PF and can.. WD-40
You have to evaluate the degree and type of schmutz on whatever you're cleaning, and use the least agressive method that will do the job.
Also, when cleaning a playfield, evaluate the degree of planking and wear to determine what type of cleaner to use. I will avoid using any type of water-based cleaner on a playfield if it has significant wear and planking.
Naphtha is good for removing layers of old wax. I'm starting to use Novus 2 as a first polish after thoroughly cleaning the playfield, but not as a cleaner.
With any product, always try a small amount first in a small area to check how effectively it will work.
With experience, you will find what works best in each case.
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I know Big Don personally, and he did a great job on that game. That coin door gleams like nothing I've ever seen before.
Quoted from GorillaBiscuits:A bit off topic but am doing a flipper rebuild on my El Dorado. How the heck do I get this thing by my thumb off LOL, I feel like a cavemen
It's a roll pin. Tap it out with a small hammer after placing it on a partially opened vise or something similar. As dt mentioned above, you may need a small punch to get it all the way through, but you can probably just grab the protruding pin with pliers and pull it out after driving it flush on the other end.
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Quoted from DropTarget:It's practically naked!
And the record albums! I remember that!
Quoted from Stoomer:Awesome Vic!! Aught-two was my first Allentown show I brought games too...GTB Ice Show and GTB Polo. Never been the same since...lol
Sean
I do remember that, Sean. I think I referred to your girlfriend at the time as "your wife". I think I asked you if the "Ice Show" was for sale, and you said no. You still have that game, right?
Quoted from tengle93:Just added a new wedgehead to my lineup. Been looking for a Sky Jump for awhile but when this one showed up for $150 I “jumped” on it! I think it’s the coolest backglass! Good to see you’re back with a new positive vibe, good for you and good luck with your arcade venture.
Man, you scored!
I've always thought that "Old Chicago" is one EM that could really look great with the proper application of LEDs.
Based only on these photos, I'll reserve judgment on this one, but if the owner likes the look, that's what's important.
Nice game.
Quoted from tengle93:Thanks Vic. Having problems with the lockdown bar being frozen. Working on getting it in my house but this ridiculous rain is not helping. I’ll post when I get it loose. Any suggestions to get it freeed up would be appreciated. It’s REALLY frozen/rusted.
Is the locking lever frozen, or just the bar won't pop off after pulling the lever down?
Damn, you beat me to it by a minute!
Was going to say the same thing; drop target plastic isn't broken. Nice game for that cash!
Silverball had a "Free Fall". It was a pretty nice copy too as I recall. I haven't been there in quite a while though. They're slowly sliding toward the dark side, so maybe it's gone.
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Quoted from Pmedic871:Since those long ago days I have always been on the lookout for one PB in particular....#Williams Blue Chip.
I wish I would have known this a couple of years ago. I had a really nice one for sale. I practically gave it away at the York Show a few years back. And, I'm in NY state.
20160306_202231 (resized).jpgQuoted from Stoomer:That game played so nice Joe...gave me a better appreciation for this title...
Yeah, as with many other Williams titles, they are great players but not so good lookers. The theme of that game is really bizarre. I remember seeing that game brand new in the arcade back in the day, and just thought it was a crazy theme for a pinball machine. I didn't like it, but it is a good player and very fast.
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Quoted from Mopar:I've had a dozen or so Dimensions with a couple having very minimum Kick-out wear, and actually one
having virtually any, which of course is the one elected to remain in the game room..
So you've gone way beyond even this:
Quoted from Mopar:but they were extremely pleased to have it removed from the kitchen of their mobile
home.
I'm glad you told the story, because I was going to say that between you and me, we know this game is just "trailer park trash"! 
Quoted from cantbfrank:Two year search came to an end last Thursday. I’m thrilled. But now I have to determine what game to sell, thinking of Buckaroo.
I thought the bumpers didn't look right, but they're easily changed out.
Quoted from Mopar:Actually, this very possibly may have became the case if they hadn't spotted my
small Penny Saver ad at the time. I'm not sure how it got there, but I remember they
didn't seem to fond on it being in their kitchen. Soon after I showed up, one said
that they had never heard of anyone wanting pinball machines, leading me to maybe
believe that to them, it wasn't much more than trash..
"One man's trash is another man's treasure." Certainly very true in this instance.
Two add-a-ball/replay comparisons that are absolutely no contest: "Dimension" over "2001", and "Capt. Card" over "High Hand". Both the add-a-ball versions are far superior.
"2001" artwork is definitely weaker than "Dimension" as well. Especially with the guy in red tights with the load in his pants on "2001". I do think the borderless plastics on "2001" are pretty cool though. Both replay versions don't reset the targets after completion.
Quoted from Electrocute:2001 is a great machine. I wouldn't put it down.
Not putting it down really. It's a good game in it's own right, but in many cases, the add-a-ball versions are said to be lacking. I think the two I mentioned are better because of the resetting drop targets. "2001" has completely different art than "Dimension", which is unusual. It's not bad really, but "Dimension" looks better to me.
"Big Chief"? Hmmm.
There actually was one for sale at Pinfest in the flea market area. I believe it was the 2017 show.
Quoted from Toyguy:Latest addition to the Cave: 1975 Williams Little Chief. Definitely a players machine, as most of mine are. Looks a little incongruous next to the P3 but I like the contrast
Another game I remember brand new in the local arcade. It was a very fast and fun game at the time.
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Quoted from gdonovan:Well as you know I was going to bring a pin into work for our party, and things were going well for about an hour when it decided to cease functioning and pop a fuse for good measure.
Figures, been playing it for weeks out in the garage and it was functioning flawless. Not sure what happened, our finance officer was playing and suddenly the lights went out which dropped out the game and came back on and it reset but after reset would power down again. After I wiggled some relays and fuses it decided to check out altogether.
Gary
Ah! At least they got a few games in before it crapped out.
Quoted from Mopar:Although I have a couple others with nice playfields with one being in the wrong lower cab., and the
other having only an okay cabinet, this one's cab. for sure is the better of the three. I picked it up from the
son of the father that bought it new in 1961. The only thing with the cab. is what appears to be touch
up spots on the lower front head. The son was too young to remember when it arrived to the house..
It has no coin entrance, or a serial number, but has the # 188 under the upper playfield apron..
Also, instead of having yellow and green bumper caps, it has yellow and blue.
Although a Subway is already set up, I'm sure I'll find a spot for it..
Is that the original cabinet paint?
If not, maybe someone filled in the coin entry openings and repainted the game.
Quoted from boilerman:when an operator pull a game then sold it to the public, it was not uncommon for them to make it so they could not be routed agains them so the coin mech system was removed
Most likely scenario. That push button certainly doesn't look like an original factory job. With no need for a coin return button, they likely would have used the hole in the door for a start button.
Quoted from Mopar:but has the # 188 under the upper playfield apron..
That's the Gottlieb model number.
It's hard to tell for sure, but the bumper skirts and bodies don't look original either. The bodies appear to be the later style.
Quoted from Mopar:JR, being the Sherlock that I know you to be, it would not have surprised me if you had
noticed a bit of wear, yet the gleam of new mylar at the pop bumpers, all adding up that the
pops were rebuilt before the pic was taken. One skirt was pretty bad, and the others were
getting there, so with Wednesday being a rainy day, it's one of the first things that I did..
Also, another thing that I believe was overlooked was the green out lane guides aren't, they're
red. With all the lubing being completed, and the playfield 3/4 done, I can already tell she's
going to be a pretty fast player..
Since the other two F.F.s have nicer playfields, I'll probably hang onto this one for a while and
then let it loose this Winter and put that toward a machine I'm hoping to pick up that will fit in the
EM Arcade game room perfectly..
It's a fun game, and although it's pretty much identical to "Subway", it has a different feel because of the shallow cabinet. Plus, you can do the left outlane "bump save" because of that style of card tray. I once did it with the center target lit, and I nailed the target for an extra ball!
Quoted from Mopar:all adding up that the
pops were rebuilt before the pic was taken.
PBR now has the original style repro pop bumper bodies. Great product, which was long awaited.
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Quoted from Mopar:I have the AAB version Top Hand and have been thinking of getting a new glass and going through it,
but why I'm mostly posting is back in the mid 80s, I remember spending a few weeks in Dover Plains and remember
this huge massive vintage looking building outside of town. That would be going back toward Albany way..
I still have a couple pics of it on slides. It had to of been something very special back in it's day..
Dover Plains? That's not terribly far from me, and really is nowhere near Albany!
Quoted from RonSS:So, bought my first EM today, Pin Up. Cleaned her up quickly and played a game. Pretty fun! I'm looking forward to giving it a solid once over and maybe some paint touch up.
Here she is before any cleaning.
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Damn! Where did you find it? I've been looking for a "Pin-Up" for a friend, and I'm in your area. In fact, I know someone in Brewster who owns one, but be doesn't want to sell it.
Quoted from thestreetzking:I really want a bingo machine, I feel like they really have the "one more game" aspect.
A while back, I helped Vic Camp sell off several bingos that a widow had in her basement. I think we moved them all.
They're around, but not many in NY.
Vic could probably find you one, and recommend a good one.
Quoted from Mopar:Yea, the slides are clear, but my digital camera's been automatically focusing in and out,
but I'm sure that is the building. Looks much worse than what I remember..
I'd also wait for other pins to pop up to buy..
Damn. From that photo, I thought maybe you were in Dover Plains, Greece!
Quoted from DropTarget:Here's a kingpin Joe
philadelphia.craigslist.org link
Ooh, goodie! Did you ever sell your Gottlieb one?
It shouldn't be difficult to strip the wooden parts and refinish them with clear. Obviously you should disassemble the machine down to an empty cabinet first. Try one of the legs first. Apply some paint stripper to it, and see what you get.
The beehive shooter rod bezel shouldn't be terribly difficult to find. You can get a white Stern one and paint it red if you aren't able to locate an original red one. PBR has them.
Quoted from ismiglif:Thanks - that's how I'm leaning after spending the last couple hours getting 70 years of nicotine off the cabinet...it is looking nice.
Legs seem simple enough (though it came with two different lengths F & R) but is there an easy way to get the side rails off? I'm not sure how they're attached.
I wouldn't remove the rails. Just do your best with them attached to the cabinet.
Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:In the history of Bally games from this period (1960-68), I have not yet seen a cabinet that does not have serious flaking, unless it is was repainted, or a home use only example. The quality of top paint was very, very poor. Bazaar is no exception, especially in the bronze metal tone used for the lamps. However, the playfields held up extremely well with factory lacquer.
Yeah, Ballys and the front of Williams games.
An interesting fact. Ted Zale lived in Mountain Home, Arkansas, I believe until he passed away. Wayne Neyens was also living there at the same time, but neither one knew that the other resided there.
Quoted from n1teowl:Just picked this up today. An El Dorado that has been in home use since 1978. I was going through the manila envelope with the instructions and schematics and found the original invoice!
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You struck gold!
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Quoted from chubtoad13:Anyone know a pistol Pete? Lol
"Pistol Pete" Maravich! Hah! "Fun Park" in what I'm assuming is a "Diamond Jack" cabinet.
Quoted from Mopar:Victor, N.Y. (?)..
Years ago, I drove up past your way to pick up a very nice "Play Mates" that I won on eBay. I used to see the signs for Victor when I drove up to Rochester for work.
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Quoted from Ballypin:I was fortunate to pickup this 1964 Bally Hay Ride add a ball from another pinsider in Ohio. I was initially inspired by @ryanclaytor and his journey documented on this site last year to pickup his Hay Ride. With only 250 produced, I am looking forward to giving it the restoration attention it deserves. The good is a very nice condition playfield with typical wear at the pop bumpers and the upper ball arch. Game appears to be complete except the coin mech and chute parts and typical missing back door. Backglass has some flaking but presents very well and has no fading. Cabinet, upper arch and ball shooter gauge have been painted over but I have been successful in removing paint from the right side and with pictures from Ryan, will be able to create stencils and match colors for an intended re-paint.
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There was a "Harvest" at last year's York show that was tempting, but I would rather find the add-a-ball version. Gorgeous playfield art on that pair.
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There was a decent "Serenade" project game in the Pinfest flea market area back in May. I'm kicking myself for not grabbing it. There was also an outstanding "Viking" on the show floor which I assumed was not for sale, but it was. Some lucky guy got them both. I believe he's here on Pinside.
Quoted from o-din:18 innings of baseball on the garage TV was plenty of time to get the rest of Serenade back together last night, with a few innings to spare.
An unannounced double-header!
Quoted from JethroP:Brought this Harbor Lites project home a couple weeks ago. Included animal nests and duct tape covering the gobble hole. Here are the before and after pics.
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Very nice. I haven't seen one of those in quite some time.
Picked up this "Bowling Queen" last week. It's the fourth one I've owned.
Sold two in the past. This one needs the correct bumpers installed and this will be my keeper. Always loved the gameplay, it's such a colorful game.
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20181104_121233 (resized).jpgQuoted from Dono:Another Bally pickup this week... never had this game before but did play it on route when I was a young pup... looking forward to getting this beast running 100%... nice unmolested condition. Love the Home Amusement sticker on the tray - bought my first EM from this company back in 1986 and still have it today.
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Yow! You scored!
Quoted from electricsquirrel:Yeah.....but it doesn't have the cool stickers all over the cabinet, like mine does!
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Well, mine had some small STP stickers on the door, but they're now history! Funny that yours has a single coin chute. I've never seen one like that.
What's your serial number? Mine is a pretty low number. Despite it having the wrong bumpers installed, the guy gave me the original daisy caps, and they are the
domed type. My other "Bowling Queen" machines had the flat slanted top caps.
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Quoted from gdonovan:Wife and I played a Loop the Loop in the freeplay area, it was pretty good.
That was a different one. I know the guy who brought it and the "San Francisco" next to it. I helped him bring them in. He sold both for a giveaway price.
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Quoted from gdonovan:A formally battered Hearts and Spades awaits fresh paint and my first go at webbing.. 2 of weeks of work to make the cabinet and head solid again.[quoted image]
If it were me, I'd make a true wedgehead out of it. That was my first ever machine, and I couldn't stand how that head looked next to my brother's "Subway".
I've always wanted to see what it would look like with a wedgehead backbox. I think it would look great.
Quoted from gdonovan:One factor in me looking for one was it was NOT a wedgehead, I like oddities. Interesting they tried something different and the gameplay is fun and it sounds great!
Sauseech his own!
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Quoted from mrm_4:Finished my Rocket restoration[quoted image][quoted image]
Just gorgeous!
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Quoted from gdonovan:Something about Gottliebs of this vintage speak to me if that makes sense, I knew I wanted a Domino and a Hearts and Spades just upon seeing a video of game play. The art, the sounds, the layout all come together.
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I like this era as well. Drowsy Art Stenholm depictions and those games play great. I just don't like that lightbox on H&S. Almost looks homemade. Obviously the idea didn't go over well.
There is supposedly something called the "half-life" theory. With the passing of each decade, supposedly half of the number of any game title survives, while half succumb to attrition. Hopefully, the growing number of collectors and hobbyists over the last couple of decades have slowed this rate of attrition.
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Quoted from gdonovan:I'm more annoyed it didn't come out better, if I touch something I really shoot for 100%
Like when you have a new car and it gets a scratch, you notice it but no one else does.
Just spurs me to refining my technique on backglass repairs.
Game plays awesome, wife unit happy. Tough but rewarding. One of the very few EM that was still on our want list. Maybe a Fireball or Sheba if I come across one.
EDIT: added repair pics.
The cabinet back was missing a piece and the bottom was also damaged. The bottom was easy to cut and replace (along with a bunch of braces I had to cut and glue into position, all were missing but two) the back piece was roughly 22 x 4 and more tricky as it was not square. I had to find a piece of lumber that was roughly .835 thick and then make 2 cuts for the side joints and then a third cut to receive the bottom panel. Not as easy as it sounds when one edge is taller than the other. Clamped together while the glue dried which wasn't even necessary as there is 3 six inch long deck screws countersunk in holding the new piece in place. I didn't get too crazy on the paint match here.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]
I'm glad you're making it pretty. I almost bought that game. Had the head off and in my van, and had already paid the guy. He went to fetch the key, and while he was gone, I saw that the back was blown out and the bottom was really damp and delaminating.
When he returned, I asked him if he would mind if I passed on it. If he would have given me a tussle, I'd have just taken the game anyway, but he was ok with it. He even helped me put it back together!
On another day, I'd have followed through and bought it, but I already had several projects in the works, and just didn’t need another.
Quoted from gdonovan:My wife and I are appreciative you didn't! She enjoyed playing one immensely at Pintastic 2017 and I have been on the hunt ever since. I vaguely recall it was Sing Along but I'd much rather have the AAB Melody. One of the last EM's we were keeping an eye out for now that we are filling out a few spots with SS. I still have Hearts and Spades to finish, Grand Tour to web and stencil and dig into Bazaar. Sad, another full cabinet repaint.
It was "Melody" at Pintastic last year and this year as well. Brought by my buddy Mike in CT. His isn't for sale.
I've owned three of them over the years. Fun game for sure.
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Try to GENTLY use a rag dampened with lacquer thinner.
Go very easy, but even so, you might need to touch up some spots afterwards.
Quoted from JethroP:Picked up today. First pic is the obligatory pin in the car while driving! Been looking for a FREEDOM for about a year. It's in nice shape, and the backglass is the early version before Bally removed the 1776-1976 dates.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]
No mid-flipper bumper though. That's the one I'd like to find.
Good game anyhow.
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Quoted from pencilneck:New mouths to feed:
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I now have 2 Jumpin' Jacks... twice as many as any other Jumpin' Jack's owner.
Heck, if they ate, I'd be broke!
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Picked this up yesterday. Who else here has one? Only two of twenty one listed on Pinball Owners is in the US. This one was in France, but made it back home. It's in nice condition. I don't think I'll be keeping it around though. Not really my cup of tea.
20190822_141156 (resized).jpg20190822_141603 (resized).jpgQuoted from damadczar:Wife wanted a tiki pin. Enter Paradise![quoted image]
Along with it's add-a-ball partner "Pleasure Isle", probably two of the best multi-player EM games ever produced by Gottlieb. Major good lookers as well!
Quoted from greenechidna:I got a trolley a little while ago which allows you to drag n drop machines till you get a nice line. I tried to group them but eventually a random mix felt best. The wedgeheads sort of just clumped together. All the really sad ones hang out together in the laundry[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]
Nice gameroom! So you use a trolley to move your "Volley"?
Quoted from Nihonmasa:- GI will sometime just go out and come back later on
Check the contacts on the tilt relay.
Quoted from Nihonmasa:- right outlane 5K light never lites but does give 5k. Light itself and socket are ok.
Check alternating relay contacts.
Quoted from Nihonmasa:Thanks guys, 2 issues seem solved!
Ok. What did you find?
Up votes are appreciated!
Quoted from Nihonmasa:Well actually the GI issue has come back but it's more than that, all playfield lights die, including inserts. Does look like tilt related but contacts are just fine and soldering seem ok.
For the other issue, it was a broke wire but could not be seen as it was internal.
Check the fuse clip, and install a new fuse too. I've seen plenty of intermittent fuses. They heat up, and the internal connection gets flaky.
Quoted from Mopar:To be truthful, if not too bad, I somewhat like vintage machines showing their original age..
Agree. Not every game needs a museum-quality restoration, but if that's what you want and you can do it, go ahead. I like the original look to a point. Nothing like a mint original though.
Quoted from Kingpin22:Just picked up my first Em! Someone painted the front black to cover up graffiti so will need to be repainted, set up at the legendary Pinball Asylum to get some love. Can’t wait for Wade Krause playfield, going all out on This one Babee!!!![quoted image][quoted image]
Where are you getting the playfield from? Is he rerunning it?
Quoted from wayner:Just completed a full resto on a GTB 1966 Crosstown (previously posted cab repaint).
This machine was in a fairly poor state with cab structural issues including bottom board needing replacement and a range of operational and 'previous fix' issues and loads of stripped timber thread holes.
My primary concern however was that at some point someone had clearcoated the playfield whilst populated and before any cleaning. The shooter and upper ball trails were also quite nasty. Therefore the pf resto was always going to be a compromise but in the circumstances I am reasonably happy with the result but will be on the lookout for a better pf.
The machine did not have coin chutes but I was able to modify a couple of earlier chutes to resemble the half moon style. For the moment I have used a 5c/25c coin plate but will be on the lookouit for a 10c/25c version.
The registration between the upper blue front cab line with those on the cab are out but thats the way it was and reflected on ipbd. I am always a tad drawn to correct these anomolies but on this one I decided to leave as original-anyhow a good talking point that things in the day were not necessarily perfect.
Machine plays fast and is really a delight to play. I really like the graphics of this era.
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Super restoration, Wayne! That machine is good for another hundred years.
Quoted from MD_Pinball_Dude:Hope the maker of this machine sued or got a lot of $$$ from them ripping off the design of the Battlestar Galactia heavy cruiser ships from them. WOW. Nice machine.
Man, that was a ride in the WABAC machine! I haven't seen nor heard from "pin-it" or his brother in a looong time.
Quoted from MD_Pinball_Dude:WOW. My Big Deal sounds like a garbage disposal with a spoon stuck in it compared to this unit. Color me green with envy.
Clanky Williams chime unit. It might need a PBR rebuild kit. Sometimes they sound a little better after a rebuild, but chimes ain't never gonna be bells.
Quoted from gdonovan:Thank you, tried to do a side by side shot with and without strips. The "game over" still uses incandescent in both and you can see the light balance is off in one shot, darn cell phones.[quoted image]
This proves that using LED strips in your backglass results in lower scores!
Quoted from DCRand:OK, I just have to ask. Am I the only one that thinks the fountain looks like something you would by at an adult XXX toy store?
I always thought that it had a rather phallic quality.
Quoted from Beatnik-Filmstar:My Big Deal chimes sounded more or less like someone throwing silverware down the driveway. After cleaning them up and using a rebuild kit from PBR - they sounded like clean silverware being thrown down a driveway.
Yeah, the rebuild helps....just a tad.
This Italian wedgehead was sitting outside under a tarp for two years, after being brought here from South Africa.
The cabinet is shot, but the rest fared very well. I sealed the backglass today, and popped it in a "Top Card" box. Luckily, I have a spare wedgehead cabinet for it, also from a "Top Card". It is basically a foreign made Gottlieb.
Only one of these registered on Pinball Owners which is primarily foreign owners.
Thanks to Kevin McHugh for the lead.
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The cabinet is shot, but the rest fared very well. I sealed the backglass today, and popped it in a "Top Card" box. Luckily, I have a spare wedgehead cabinet for it, also from a "Top Card". It is basically a foreign made Gottlieb.
Only one of these registered on Pinball Owners which is primarily foreign owners.
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As a little bonus, I found a 2 Rand coin inside the cabinet. A whopping 13.4 US cents at today's exchange rate!
Regular glass, but thicker than a normal '70s backglass.
The playfield is damn near perfect!
This game was probably nice when they first brought it here two years ago. Who knows why they left it outside.
Quoted from jaytrem:Lots of differences in the coaster riders. Mostly the women/girls for some reason. They made all the younger looking ones a bit older. Would love to know the story behind the changes.
Some of the faces on the Playmec version look familiar. Guy up front looks like Dick York (the original Darrin on "Bewitched"). Another guy looks like Dick Clark, and the woman in the middle looks a little like Carol Burnett. The guy in the back with the derby hat (falling out of the coaster!) looks a bit like Lou Costello. Names from the past for sure, but it's a 1975 vintage game.
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Quoted from bob_e:Some so are filthy
Cleaning them now
Setting switch stacks some dont reset
Fixing broken wire(s) one was wrapped not soldered
I thought you were attempting a little Haiku there!
Quoted from o-din:Fortunately, these are the well designed kind that are super easy and quick to work on. With strong switches that rarely break or go out of adjustment.
Anything is better than Gottlieb score reels. Especially the first decagon type. Those three switches can make you swear and scream.
Quoted from bob_e:you use Haiku to fix your games? where does one buy that stuff??
Try the local Japanese grocery.
Great stuff, that Haiku.
Quoted from wolverinetuner:Actually, I like the actual decagon shape they had, with flat fronts for the numbers, but that’s not worth it for the drawbacks.
They eventually went back to round reels with the same balky unit driving them. The last version of the "decagon" unit was definitely better.
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Quoted from TwoCryptoGuyz:We picked up these two barn-find beauties for The Robotics Lab kids to fix. Some of the kids on our non-profit’s robotics team has started playing pinball competitively and decided to branch off and learn a new skill, so they sold some robot parts and bought these. $650 for both.
Rotton Rubbers on both
Bally Surfers came on and played, zipper flippers closed and reopened, no key. Backglass looks pristine.
Spanish Eyes turned on and the set of switches under the playfield rolled continuously, no lights came on. Backglass has a little flaking, mostly on skin.
Will unload tomorrow and start taking inventory. (Whoever designed the Town & Country minivan must have loved pinball. 2 fit perfectly with weekend luggage for a family of 4)
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Nice! One tough to find; the other ("Spanish Eyes") seems to be growing on trees lately. Not that it's a bad game, but a lot of these are turning up lately.
"Surfers", on the other hand is one I have not yet come across, and I've been around a loooong time, and have come across many, many games over the years.
Quoted from TwoCryptoGuyz:(Whoever designed the Town & Country minivan must have loved pinball. 2 fit perfectly with weekend luggage for a family of 4)
The best pinhauler around! I've schlepped many a pin in my Chrysler minivans.
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Quoted from DNO:Picked this up this week, what a score![quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]
Holy sheetrock! That's one scarce game, and this one looks nice.
Quoted from DNO:Right place at the right time, got a smokin deal, that’s all I’d like to say for the record.
It’s cleaning up nicely, and it’s a game I’ve always wanted, so it’s in the right place now too.
You stepped in it. We all wish we could too!
Quoted from DNO:Schematic is huge, is this THE most complicated EM? I count around 80 coils!
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I guess SS arrived just at the right time!
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Quoted from illawarra92:the things you do.
gottlieb play pool, the italian aab version of pro pool.
major project. mechanically complete, missing most of the playfield. came with a 2nd, better condition playfield.
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So the better playfield appears to be from a "Pro Pool". I'm sure they are totally interchangeable though. It's amazing what "custom" paint schemes people dream up!
Quoted from Ballypin:Ooops, I did it again. This one surely will be for sale or Bally trade bait.
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Looks like there's hope for you after all!
Picked this one up about a week and a half ago. Pretty good cosmetic condition, but working condition was unknown. Set it up, and it starts up and plays through a game. It will need some work, but should turn out great. Got a new glass from the listing that Shay posted here.
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I'm going to rub it out with fine steel wool, and apply some water-based polyurethane. It won't eliminate it entirely, but it'll be far less noticeable.
I've done the same with wear on the upper part of the playfield (arch wear), and shooter lane wear, and it works pretty well.
Quoted from aahgo:I’d like to see some before/after pictures of that repair. It’s funny how many Cowpoke’s have that flipper drag damage. I’ve had three and they all have had it to some degree.
Many of the '60s games get this type of swipe wear, particularly "Cow-Poke"/"Buckaroo", "Sky Line",
"North Star" and "Kings & Queens".
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Quoted from EM-PINMAN:GTB-A4893A - Yellow Dot Pop Bumper Coils - $10.00 ea PBR
Thanks!
I would have gone with orange dot but they do not make them as usually yellow is too powerful, but for King Pin it works just fine. I once installed them on a Abra Ca Dabra and it was a fail. Pop bumpers too close to the inlane/outlane wire rails and would blast the ball right over them. Moral of the story, Use yellow dots wisely.
Grrrrrr!
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Quoted from Dono:I noticed your Old Chicago cabinet paint looks nice and unfaded... is it a repaint, or are you amongst the lucky few who has an original unfaded cabinet?
It looks original. You can't see the entire cabinet. I've seen many that have one good side and one faded side.
Quoted from Playdium:EM Charlie's Angels? Never seen or heard of one. Looks great!!!
Saw and played one at The Silverball Museum in Asbury Park, NJ. It was several years ago, so I don't know if it's still there or not.
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That's a new one on me. Nice!
Quoted from Ballypin:My Bally eagle eye spotted this 1964 2 in 1 on eBay for a ridiculous opening bid. I tried to reach a deal with the seller but then it was went to another online auction site and was able to secure for a bit more than I planned. Had to stash the cabinet at work until I can do a stealth transfer to the basement. Playfield looks good, cabinet is fair, BG has fade (BGresto has done this one ) and it supposedly works.
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So now you have a "2 in 1" to go with your "3 In Line"!
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Quoted from John_I:They make new ones...
(sotto voce)...but don't tell anyone....
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Quoted from chill:Pro Football sitting next to Alice Cooper’s Nightmare Castle. Set to 3- ball, my high score is 74 points. Bought for $200, plugged it in and it works great! Fun game.[quoted image]
There is an easy way to set it on free play!
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Quoted from Raff:I left the webbing out i have never done it before there are cans you can buy that are for webbing maybe the next project i will give it a go.
Raff
Webbing is usually done before spraying the graphics. There are webbing spray cans, but it's difficult if not impossible to get the fine, subtle webbing effect from a spray can.
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That's a beauty!
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Ah, a "Funland"!
Quoted from DropTarget:Oh shush! lol
you can tell by the two coin slots
Actually, my daughter was astonished that you knew the machine by just seeing that small area of two stripes on the face.
I've seen my share of both versions. Should have known the replay version by the coin slots.
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Quoted from pinballnut:Anyone have an idea of what game these are from?
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1964 Bally "Bus Stop".
I thought at first that they were Gottlieb, but then I noticed the pressed on spacers which Bally used. The artist is obviously Art Stenholm.
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Quoted from Dono:Agreed. Would love to know why the paint on 99% of OC cabinets faded horribly over time. Working on one now.
The card trays are usually badly faded as well. They all have great backglasses though! Never have seen a flaky one.
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I've never owned one of these before. Played a couple of them.
Simple, yet very attractive machine.
I wish there was an add-a-ball version.
Quoted from Silverstreak02:The last picture looks like you have termite droppings.
And a Floridian would know!
Quoted from mrm_4:That Astro looks so cool!
Gottlieb produced only 500 copies of each of those two titles. Tough to find them in decent condition.
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The original legs had a bit of rust, but about three hours of elbow grease and polish, and they look great. Has a complete paper packet as well. I've never seen this score card before....ever! Decent original cabinet too.
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Quoted from DodgersFan32:Does anyone have a blue note for sale or trade? Have many other wedgeheads to trade with cash thanks.
Ok, how much?
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Quoted from Ballypin:What is the definition of a "Grail Game" ?
A game you have been searching for your entire life ?
If so, I submit you mine: 1965 Bally Band Wagon. Released in March 1965, this was the current Bally pin available when I made my appearance in early April 1965. This example was purchased from the Replay Foundation in Pittsburgh and sports serial number BW 1601. Being # 601 out of 1840 made (33% into production) between March and May, it is quite possible that this Band Wagon and I share the same "birth" date.
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Ja, Band Wagen, ja! Ich habe eine,
aber es ist eine Deutsche Version.
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Yes, Wayne Neyens (pictured on my avatar) was the best. God love him, he's still with us as of this writing.
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Quoted from jeffk:Weekend pickup and first woodrail, Wagon Train. Looks complete and everything functions. Needs some cleaning and polish. Backdoor and coinbox are missing and probably needs a backglass, although the bad areas are all solid colors. I have never tried backglass touchup but this might be a good candidate.
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"Wagon Train" was my very first woodrail as well. My backglass was in similar condition to yours; maybe even a little worse. Yours looks repairable, because it's mostly unlit solid colors (the pale yellow sections) which need retouching. Obviously, seal it first. It seems that this is another one of those woodrail titles which have many surviving examples still around. It's a woodrail, but could have very well been a metal rail game. No gobble holes, and reel scoring. A later metal rail game, "Sweet Hearts" (the last Gottlieb with gobble holes) could have easily been a woodrail.
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Quoted from Murphdom:Finished this oddball up recently.
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Cool. Where did you find it?
Quoted from Murphdom:JR, I found it in NY in some guys barn. The apron was pretty rusty and the legs were pretty toasted. I was lucky to salvage them since they are different bolt spacing than typical pinball legs.
There was one for sale at one of the Saratoga shows. It wasn't up and working. Thought maybe you got it there.
I used to see one on location back in the '70s, but it was always out of order.
Quoted from DodgersFan32:Brooklyn Dodgers not L.A but the #32 is for the sand man sandy kofax. Anyone know of a Slick chick for sale by the way trying to find one
There were two at Pinfest. Both sold.
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Quoted from bigcnj:Pinfest pickup. Needs some work and a good cleaning
Was that from the flea market?
I saw one there, but the backglass was trash.
1 month later
Quoted from thetylander:Fun Land is popping up everywhere lately, as jrpinball said.
I call that particular game the "woodwork" game. Sometimes, one certain title seems to come up everywhere, like they're "coming out of the woodwork".
"Funland" seems to be that game lately. Speaking of "Dancing Dolls", they were popping up everywhere for a while. I managed to grab one myself during that time.
Quoted from stavio:Tie game with the neighbor
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Quoted from Raff:Painted a Jacks open for a client has to be one of the best EM machine's I have played.
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Nice work, but I hope he springs for new legs or at least new leg bolts!
Quoted from bicyclenut:Here is my current line up of EM's. King of Diamonds isnt mine and my Volley didnt make the picture because its still in the repair area of the garage. But Evel Knievel photo bombed.
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I'm so glad two of them made the long journey safely. Enjoy the "Free Fall", and had DH claimed his "KOD" yet?
Quoted from bicyclenut:Yes I had a pinball party at my house lastnight and he came down and took it home when it was over.
Glad to hear. Dave seemed so psyched to have a nice "KOD".
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Quoted from Whistler:New to the forum and just starting out. Just picked up my first pinball machine, On Beam. It needs some attention, but seems to be in decent shape. I’m happy to take it on![quoted image]
Looks very nice. Welcome to Pinside!
Quoted from Garrett:Great looking pin. I remember seeing it at a show.
Yeah, but this one is a kit conversion one made from an EM "Continental Cafe". There aren't many of those around!
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Quoted from Mopar:Guys, quick question. it's been a while. Mid-60s Ballys (Dixieland) takes
28.5" legs, right?
Give Steve Young a call. He could tell you.
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Quoted from stavio:Hello shiny, amazingly new looking 50 year old beautiful machine...
Maybe I should post this in the "You know you're old when..." thread, but it's another one I remember coming into the arcade brand-spankin' new!
Quoted from Dono:Great post. When doing an Old Chicago PF swap, I had 15 busted/cracked posts, some obliterated like yours. My bet is that the same line worker built these PFs, applying way too much pressure when drilling. Who knows, but it's odd that I've only seen this on Bally EMs of the period.
Lots of brittle posts during that era. Did a couple of Bally "Flip Flop"s recently, and many posts were broken. Gottlieb "Sure Shot"/"Bank Shot" also seem to often have posts which are broken or break easily.
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Quoted from PappaDubz:Came across this EM on a YouTube video
Does anyone the name of this Pin
Thanks in advance
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Williams "Triple Action".
There's another very similar version called "Star Action". Exactly the same game, except that "Triple Action" has a yellow base colored cabinet, and "Star Action" has a white base colored cabinet. Also "Star Action" is strictly an add-a-ball version, and lacks a replay unit. The scoring is 10X the values on "Triple Action".
Both games are from 1973.
Quoted from PappaDubz:That spinning wheel really got my attention
Is that in other EMs?
I would off liked to see a boxing theme pin with that spinner in the middle of 3or4 pop bumpers
Thanks for the info
Williams made a similar game a year later, called "Star Pool". It also features the same type of spinner.
Quoted from izzy:Also the spinner is similar to the one used on TOTAN
Was going to say that, but we're talking EMs. I once referred to TOTAN as "a glorified Triple Action".
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Quoted from Garrett:Nothing special about the title I picked up last night but the pin's history was the surprise. Great art package on Wizard but I do have a fondness for Bally pins as well. Had a non-pinhead, but big music fan with me to help move it, loved it as he's a Who fan.
From the few pictures on the FB ad it looked to be in pretty good shape overall but hard to be sure. Expected to see the usual wear on a popular title.
Betsy said she is selling her house and retiring in Florida. We walked into the finished basement and I was quite surprised. I asked her if she knew the history of the machine and she said "I sure do! My Dad bought that pinball machine brand new when I was 8 years old. It's been with me ever since!"
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Curious to know the meter reading on it. Rare to find a HUO game this old.
Quoted from Garrett:I meant to look at it this morning but forgot, will add a pic later after work. This pin wasn't just decoration for Betsy, she played it! Always great to see lady pinheads.
Cleaned up it should look stellar inside and out.
It appears to have had a fair amount of use despite being in a home environment for it's entire life. I wonder how often it was waxed, and if it's the original ball.
Quoted from MikeO:While it is a clean example, the 25 cents for one play dymo label looks like it was routed prior to dad buying the game for her. The coin gear is what will usually tell you if it truly is HUO or possibly spent time on route prior to her ownership.
Knowing when Betsy turned 8 would help to truly age the game.
Regardless, a very nice example.
I would think a new machine would have come with pricing cards. Perhaps dad made the Dymo label, and kept it on coin play so as to make it like a piggy bank.
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I see a slowly growing collection of classic wedgeheads. You must have another game on the wanted list, no?
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Quoted from Mopar:I wouldn't think it is, but from the looks of the backglass,
looks like it's set up as the true WOW machines (Bank Shot - Rock Star),
or are all the ball count numbers (1 - 10) hidden unless lit?
This machine was produced more than a year before Pro Pool.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jay wouldn't mind a few additional pics sent in
to IPDB of this machine..
The games that you consider "true WOW" games obviously came later, and use what is loosely known as the "Italian system". This was likely done so that Gottlieb could make basically the same game for domestic and export markets, with only the backglass being slightly different.
Yes, the earlier ones such as "Play Pool" and "Lucky Strike" have the novelty play feature, as well as the five ball maximum extra ball feature (the Italian system).
There is no word "WOW" screened into the five symbols on the export backglasses, but other than that, the backglasses are interchangeable between the domestic and export versions, starting with the deep cabinet add-a-ball games.
Quoted from Mopar:For this example domestic meaning Pro Pool? Play Pool and Pro Pool glasses
aren't accurately interchangeable..
No. As I said, only the deep cabinet ones are interchangeable;
after Gottlieb settled on making one type of game for both markets.
Quoted from Mopar:Them, yes. Although it appears the Italian versions don't have the Wows in the backglass,
they would be interchangeable, however except for Rock Star. Rock Star has the Wows
and evidently all 268 where made to be exported to Italy. The last Gottlieb pin for Italian export.
Makes me wonder how many there actually are here in the States..
btw: I wouldn't mind seeing a pic of the backside of Play Pool's bg..
I was wondering about "Rock Star" because it's the only one of that group which does not have an alternately named counterpart.
You're saying it does have WOW screened in the backglass?
I was going to ask someone I know who owns one. Do you own one?
I wonder at what point was the player allowed to manually shoot the extra balls. "Fun Fair" seems to be one of the latest Gottlieb games I've seen with the automatic kickback unit.
Quoted from Mopar:I'm thinking when the ball drains, it rolls over a rollover which activates a Relay (or the Kick Out Coil) direct
when at least one step up is made on the extra ball coil, but then again, it could be done on a totally
different circuitry system. Maybe illa92 can fill us in on that..
You misunderstand. Earlier games did not allow the player to manually shoot their extra balls, hence the auto shooter as seen on this game. Later games did not have this unit, and allow the player to shoot the extra balls in the normal way (using the plunger). I'm wondering when this started.
Oh, and my friend reported back.
His "Rock Star" is not a sample game, and does have the word "wow" in the music notes on the backglass.
It could be that none of these were actually exported to Italy because Gottlieb stopped short of making the export version of the game.
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Quoted from flipit:Recently finished this title and now on the Hawaiian Beauty.
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That's basically a new game now!
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Quoted from Mopar:I had this Pro Football for many years, and today as I was moving machines around,
I noticed its production number. It doesn't have an S (however someone carved
below the number), but compared to the numbers on other sample machines I have,
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It sure is a low number.
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Quoted from Vic_Camp:Or how about this one? It’s for sale…
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C'mon Vic. How much? Love the theme and colors!
Where is it listed?
Quoted from BallyCrazy:Total production is unknown.
It uses Nixie tubes for score display like on Rally Pinballs : https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=3601&picno=44449&zoom=1
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I used to use a big Xerox copier at my very first job back in the early '70s. It had a Nixie tube display which showed the number of copies made. I thought it looked really cool!
Quoted from Peruman:These two probably get the most play from my kids and their friends.
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I'll bet they have lots of friends!
Quoted from vinnypeppers:I like that shirt too,and i was going to buy one for myself, but after looking at their web sight they are in strong support of recently released Brittney Griner.....so I will not be buying a shirt from them,I'd rather spend $25.00 on shipping to get me a .99 cent pinball part....
Seems like they have a wide variety of tee shirts covering many subjects and points of view. I don't think they necessarily support any particular view based on the shirts they offer.
Quoted from vinnypeppers:look up pinball shirts and go to pages 236 & 237 there are 7 shirts that say free Brittney Griner....that's enough for me, and that's too bad cause I was going to get one of those Gottlieb shirts...my cousin was killed in 1967 in VIETNAM, ya I'm old, but nobody uses their platform to disrespect MY country, when it was this country, that they have benefited from
I have to admit ignorance on this subject, but I did a quick search, and this "Free Britney" thing seems to be about Britney Spears.
Quoted from dstudeba:Here is the official Gottlieb store with a page of their logo shirts. https://www.cafepress.com/gottlieb_pinball/6504512
In a quick search I didn't see any Brittney Griner shirts on the parent website but I do not take responsibility for their products.
Yeah, Cafe Press is the vendor I'm familiar with for Gottlieb shirts and stuff. Didn't know about this other outfit until the link was posted here.
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Quoted from jaytrem:I made a quicky slow-mo video of my Hurricane
Did you downgrade it to a tropical storm?
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Quoted from SilverLiningMan:Curious how you guys would rank the gameplay/fun factor of the Flipper-series games? I have a Flipper and a Flipper Pool (both of which I think are fantastic) but haven’t played any of the others.
"Flipper Cowboy" is the same game as "Cow-Poke" and "Flipper Fair" is the same as "Subway" although they have a different feel because of the differences in the cabinets. I'd say it's a toss up between those two being the best of the series. I never cared much for "Flipper Clown". "Flipper Pool" is a fun game but it's generally not considered to be part of the "flipper series".
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Quoted from Playdium:This was one that I had several years ago. Wish I kept it.
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I've had five of them. Now down to one.
Quoted from Heretic_9:Can anyone confirm for me (Pro or Con, but with very high certainty) that mid-1960's era Gottlieb EMs did *not* have what we'd consider formal Owner / Operator manuals ? Not referring to minimalist schematic diagrams here. I would have thought that such manuals went back even earlier than that. Like Slick Chick earlier, or even maybe to woodrails era ?
If not, as of WHEN did such manuals become fairly common ?
As far as I know, there were no actual manuals until early '70s; maybe around the era of Gottlieb's "High Hand". Sixties games and woodrails certainly did not have manuals.
"High Hand" also appears to be the first Gottlieb game to bear a copyright notice on the backglass.
Ok. An update from my brother who works at PBR.
"Steve Young tells me that Gottlieb manuals started in 197O with "Snow Derby"/"Snow Queen". "2001" was the first wedgehead with a manual in 1971. Steve then mentioned that "Super Jumbo", the first 4- player game and "Bowlette" had manuals."
In addition, he said that the add-a-ball versions did not have a manual.
Quoted from atpcfiaim:1966 Gottlieb Central Park
No formal manual as noted above but a pretty good collection of manual contents, loose-leaf style. I don’t know if it is a complete collection, but all the paperwork is original. Purchased here on Market Classifieds from a current ad.
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That's a typical paper packet for a game from that era. They're usually incomplete or missing entirely.
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I found an old photograph of my very first pinball machine (the lightbox anyway). Notice the high score date; 9-11-1979, and the score 658,490. I didn't keep it very long; maybe a couple of years, because it was modified with three inch flippers, and was ridiculously easy. Also, I just didn't like that funky beaded lightbox, especially as it looked standing next to my brother's "Subway". It wasn't in the greatest condition either. I sold it to a co-worker of my brother.
I didn't own another machine until almost ten years later, when I found a complete Gottlieb "Play Mates" in the trash.
To this day, I've never found another "Hearts and Spades" machine, although I have seen a few here and there over the years.
20230219_220241 (resized).jpgQuoted from dasvis:Jimmy is your brother?
No. Jimmy is not my brother, but my brother works at PBR part time. He winds coils. A friend of mine, Jerry, just recently took over the heat-stamping duties when Steve isn't doing it himself.
Jimmy used to work at the same company I worked for many years ago.
1 week later
Quoted from Flipsteen:Must be raining Bank-A-Balls. Brought this home today from moving sale. Seems to be in good shape with very nice backglass. All the little pool balls are in place. Says it was lightly played and everything works and scores.
Very nice. Great find!
1 week later
Quoted from Bublehead:I just realized I have a Ed Krynski fixation. Also turns out I'm an "Art" fan too
Wayne was the master, but Krynski had some tremendously great designs. He actually designed far more titles than Wayne, according to the IPDB.
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Quoted from Pyromedic:I am a staunch incandescent bulb guy for older games, but for fun I tried out one of the “Flaming” bulbs for the “Canal Street” lamp post. I begrudgingly admit I really like the effect in this case! Gotta a pretty good score tonight too!
Nice effect. I used a similar LED lamp in the backglass of a Williams "Blue Chip". I used it where the workers are pouring molten steel out of the crucible.
It looked fantastic there.
Also have seen them used for the exhaust on supersonic jets on some backglasses. Amazingly cool effect!
Quoted from Wylte:LEDs are a tool that can do great evil in the wrong hands. But used carefully, they can be used for good...
...and that lamp is looking real good!
I use the make-up (on a woman) analogy when it comes to using LEDs.
If it's applied tastefully and correctly, it really enhances the looks. If used improperly... well, you know!
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Quoted from wesley:Here JR.
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I'm glad you're finally getting to enjoy it!
Quoted from DodgersFan32:Ding ding Big Zep fan So of course its a stairway to heaven
And coke machine is a jacobs 26 still runs original compressor since 1952
That Coke machine is da' bomb!
1 week later
Quoted from DodgersFan32:ebay.com link: itm
Got the blue note for sale still if anyone wants to trade can do off eBay too.
Wrong thread for this. I hope you sell it already.
Quoted from Electrocute:Seems like he’s been trying to sell that game, off and on, for about 2 years.
I can understand. Many of those later wedgeheads do nothing for me, and I'd flip them if I would come across one. They seem very popular. I have a "Neptune", and I like that one, but "Rock Star"/"Blue Note" would be an instant flip for me.
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Quoted from Apinjunkie:This one turned out to be a great find. Finally played my first game on it last night. The game play is fun, fast and extremely satisfying. Love The flipper layout, really makes you have to rethink the way you play pinball. Hopefully I have the cabinet finished by the end of the summer
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I nabbed one of these a while back. It was a bit dirty, and the backglass is shot, but I'm happy with it considering what I paid for it. I've played others before, and I'm looking forward making it nice again. I managed to get a repro glass for it, so it should turn out pretty good.
Quoted from jaytrem:Cool, looks like I'll be needing some caps for a 1964 Bally lockdown bar (anybody care to guess the game?). Was he making new ones or replanting existing? Anybody know if the Bally and Williams caps are interchangeable?
1964 Bally? I know you just got a 1966 "Loop the Loop".
Quoted from Apinjunkie:Mad World?
That's one I was thinking of.
Either that, or "Grand Tour".
Quoted from crujones4life:Picked up a truckload today! Apologies for the early SS.
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Nice haul!
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Quoted from Mopar:Oh, on the cabinet. When I traded in the machine, it came in a
1963 Skill Pool cabinet. The cabinet colors match so well, I don't
mind. I know that type of cabinet you're talking. I have a 1960
Williams 21 in the style cabinet
Hah! I remember seeing a Williams "Jungle" in a reverse wedgehead cabinet (yup, I think it was a "Skill Pool" cabinet) many years ago at the Allentown show.
The seller was trying to convince me that it was original, but I told him that it was impossible, since a whole 'nother cabinet style came between the two types.
You probably ended up with that very machine.
Oh, and "21" should be in a woodrail cabinet. It's not likely original, since "Darts" is the only Williams game which was produced in both woodrail and "styling of the sixties" cabinets.
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Quoted from Mopar:Well, I cleared out and added a little more space, so I decide to welcome
the Jungle to the game room. One I'll be going through when the cooler
weather comes around.
I got this in with it being in an inverted Wedge Head, but the colors go
so well with the backglass and playfield, I mostly don't mind.
After years being in my storage barn, the backglass which had been sealed
with packaging tape, held the crackling paint up well. The person actually did
a good job. Pretty much wrinkle free, but I'll still be putting in the new repro
glass which has been in the spare bedroom waiting for installment..
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Yup. That's the one I saw years ago in Allentown.
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Quoted from Mopar:Well, played quite a few trial games on the Hay-Ride, and she past the
ready to go in the lineup test. Her younger Cousin looked a little lonely,
but not any longer..
Years back, I picked this one up from a very rural horse/cow barn. There
was no playfield glass and what saved it from all the pigeon crap that was
covering it, was a thick layer of hay that laid below it.
Considering the conditions it spent much of its life in, I'm very pleased
how well the playfield turned out..
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That game turned out nice. I played one at the York Show. I've seen one with a variant playfield.
What's the serial number on yours?
Quoted from Mopar:1198, so must be the 198th off the line.
It has what looks to be a H P in front of it,
but it's most likely a H R for Hay-Ride.
The Gold Rush appears to have a G R in
front of its numbers..
What do you mean by variant? Different
shade of color?
I have to check mine again.
Mine is HR-1095. Sounds like a House bill!
The one I know of with a variant playfield has a high serial number.
Quoted from Mopar:What do you mean by variant? Different
shade of color?
It has a large blue area at the top of the playfield.
Also has extra posts at the center plastic.
It is owned by a Pinsider who hasn't posted in a while.
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