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EM : Show us your EM Pinball Machines!


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#12351 3 months ago
Quoted from Gryszzz:

What say you o wise ones?

Sonic games of that era are very good, my favs are Prospector and Mars Trek.
The BG and PFs seem to never wear out or have flaking issues.
They are basically a WMS EM pin in general build or parts.
The only draw back on Sonic pins is they weigh a ton, because of the particle board Cabinets
and also thus those CABs tend to chip and fall apart, especially if they get wet.

#12352 3 months ago
Quoted from goldenboy232:

Spin Out is finished

That kick out hole decal cover, with additional car wreck artwork,
really makes the game more attractive.

#12353 3 months ago
Quoted from pinwiztom:

That kick out hole decal cover, with additional car wreck artwork,
really makes the game more attractive.

Yes, the center now looks empty without it on the un-decal'd machines.

Beautiful machine....

#12354 3 months ago

Very nice. Used the decal on my Spinout as well. My only EM machine. I love it! Cheers.

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#12355 3 months ago
Quoted from Slogan1111:

Very nice. Used the decal on my Spinout as well. My only EM machine. I love it! Cheers.[quoted image]

Yeah Target Alpha is my only EM right now too. But it gets played more than all the others. Love everything about it; the bells, the chimes, the way you hear the ball rolling on the pf, the non War and Peace rulesets. Everything! Working on acquiring a row of them now. Commited to that Prospector, so they're multiplying!

#12356 3 months ago
Quoted from Gryszzz:

Yeah Target Alpha is my only EM right now too. But it gets played more than all the others. Love everything about it; the bells, the chimes, the way you hear the ball rolling on the pf, the non War and Peace rulesets. Everything! Working on acquiring a row of them now. Commited to that Prospector, so they're multiplying!

I hear you. I have only ever owned new games but have played a few EMs recently and I find myself drawn to them. I worry a little as only have room to about three machines so can’t afford a clunker in such a small collection but something about the simplicity is refreshing

#12357 3 months ago
Quoted from pghpinfan:

I hear you. I have only ever owned new games but have played a few EMs recently and I find myself drawn to them. I worry a little as only have room to about three machines so can’t afford a clunker in such a small collection but something about the simplicity is refreshing

Refreshing is the perfect word for it. After a couple brutal games of Iron Maiden, my TA is just that: refreshing.

#12358 3 months ago

Gentlemen, I have a good buddy (one of Indy's best guitarists) who inherited his Dad's Hokus Pokus. Does anyone know where I might find a manual for it?
Thanks.

#12359 3 months ago
Quoted from Gryszzz:

Gentlemen, I have a good buddy (one of Indy's best guitarists) who inherited his Dad's Hokus Pokus. Does anyone know where I might find a manual for it?
Thanks.

Mayfair Amusements May have an original manual and schematics. If not call Steve Young and he can make you a copy.

#12360 3 months ago
Quoted from goldenboy232:

Spin Out is finished![quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Spin Out is a game I've wanted to add to the collection. Looks GREAT! I like to keep machines original, but that decal blends in so well

#12361 3 months ago
Quoted from bluespin:

Mayfair Amusements May have an original manual and schematics. If not call Steve Young and he can make you a copy.

Thanks man.

#12362 3 months ago
Quoted from Gryszzz:

Yeah Target Alpha is my only EM right now too. But it gets played more than all the others. Love everything about it; the bells, the chimes, the way you hear the ball rolling on the pf, the non War and Peace rulesets. Everything! Working on acquiring a row of them now. Commited to that Prospector, so they're multiplying!

EM's are what pinball is all about. The score reels, the relay noise, the steppers, the chimes - even the smell. Once you restore one & play it you can envision exactly which coil is firing. Nothing like it.
Welcome to the club

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#12363 3 months ago

Williams Hot Tip (EM version), is my favorite late model Williams EM. I like it over Grand Prix, Space Mission and Argosy. Just a fantastic playfield layout in my opinion, with a great use of drop targets, spinner, and captive ball. Super fast gameplay.

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#12364 3 months ago
Quoted from Phillips88:

Spin Out is a game I've wanted to add to the collection. Looks GREAT! I like to keep machines original, but that decal blends in so well

Serves dual purpose. Covers existing wear & protects. Plus it looks great!.

#12365 3 months ago
Quoted from Classics_Master:

Williams Hot Tip (EM version), is my favorite late model Williams EM. I like it over Grand Prix, Space Mission and Argosy. Just a fantastic playfield layout in my opinion, with a great use of drop targets, spinner, and captive ball. Super fast gameplay.[quoted image]

Hot Tip is my favorite EM that I’ve ever played. Based on my scanning of the features column of the Mr. Pinball Price Guide, it is the only EM to have drop targets, a spinner, and a captive ball. Just a great layout with a lot of shot options. I searched a bit to get mine after I couldn’t get enough of this pin at ReplayFX two years in a row.

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#12366 3 months ago

Yeah that Hot Tip looks awesome! Can't say I've ever played one. Nor have I seen an EM with a captive ball. I'm getting a lot of ideas in this thread for EM #3. Thanks fellas!

#12367 3 months ago
Quoted from Gryszzz:

Nor have I seen an EM with a captive ball. I'm getting a lot of ideas in this thread for EM #3. Thanks fellas!

Bally made several EM's with DUAL captive balls. 1974 Champ / Sky Kings (same layout - different art) has a symmetrical playfield with a center spinner and is a good player. image-9 (resized).jpgimage-4 (resized).jpg

1975 Flicker / Boomerang (also same layout - different art). Flicker is a dog with that useless center pop bumper but does have Laurel and Hardy, and IMHO, has the best artwork package of all four.

PLUS, if you look at the backglass from a side angle, the "L" and "i" in FLiCKER morphs into the letter "U" and changes the name of the game image-4 (1) (resized).jpgimage-7 (resized).jpg

#12368 3 months ago

You forgot about Bally Bon Voyage, Spinner and captive messenger ball, but no drop targets.

https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=343&picno=62166

Quoted from Ballypin:

Bally made several EM's with DUAL captive balls. 1974 Champ / Sky Kings (same layout - different art) has a symmetrical playfield with a center spinner and is a good player.

#12370 3 months ago
Quoted from Ballypin:

Bally made several EM's with DUAL captive balls. 1974 Champ / Sky Kings (same layout - different art) has a symmetrical playfield with a center spinner and is a good player. [quoted image][quoted image]
1975 Flicker / Boomerang (also same layout - different art). Flicker is a dog with that useless center pop bumper but does have Laurel and Hardy, and IMHO, has the best artwork package of all four.
PLUS, if you look at the backglass from a side angle, the "L" and "i" in FLiCKER morphs into the letter "U" and changes the name of the game [quoted image][quoted image]

And Fireball

#12371 3 months ago
Quoted from Skidave:

And Fireball

It's on the list.

#12372 3 months ago

https://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?gtype=EM&ft=messenger+ball&sortby=date&searchtype=advanced

Messenger Ball covers others not on the previous list
and might be a better descriptor of what is being described, as ipdb uses captive ball to also describe pins with bagatelle action and
mechs where captive ball works a ladder before being released.

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#12373 3 months ago

Just finished restoring this late 70's Gottlieb Rock Star. Some parts familiar to System One games include vinyl coated wire, coin mechanism changes and blue print schematic would indicate DC powered flippers, slingshot kickers and pop bumpers though this game was never wired that way. Sorry it is not for sale. Several people have asked me already. NOS Playfield swap, all the usual rebuild/recondition stuff, but the most challenging part was replacing 90% of the metal work in the game due to severe corrosion. Exhausted my supply of spare parts. Also upgraded the playfield rails to real solid oak as the cheap looking contact paper ones were showing their age. Game was stored on the Jersey Shore from what I understand.
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#12374 3 months ago

Rock Star:

Fun game but a bit easy, make the A-B-C to light the kickout hole for WOWs and you can rip off 5 of them.

#12375 3 months ago

Beautiful game and really nice work!!!

#12376 3 months ago
Quoted from bob_e:

Rock Star:
Fun game but a bit easy, make the A-B-C to light the kickout hole for WOWs and you can rip off 5 of them.

Interesting. I find that shot to the kick out hole not that easy since that left flipper does not have an inlane, you can't cradle the ball easily.

#12377 3 months ago
Quoted from stashyboy:

Interesting. I find that shot to the kick out hole not that easy since that left flipper does not have an inlane, you can't cradle the ball easily.

My high score is 368,050 many games over 200K the games. The one I play is at the Ann Arbor Pinball Museum.

#12378 89 days ago
Quoted from Ballypin:

Bally made several EM's with DUAL captive balls. 1974 Champ / Sky Kings (same layout - different art) has a symmetrical playfield with a center spinner and is a good player. [quoted image][quoted image]
1975 Flicker / Boomerang (also same layout - different art). Flicker is a dog with that useless center pop bumper but does have Laurel and Hardy, and IMHO, has the best artwork package of all four.
PLUS, if you look at the backglass from a side angle, the "L" and "i" in FLiCKER morphs into the letter "U" and changes the name of the game [quoted image][quoted image]

Huge difference in game play between games having only one captive ball vs. those with 2 in my opinion... all those Bally games with 2 captive balls in a symetrical layout suck up all the creativity and get boring quickly; perhaps part of this is that on these games they take up too much of playfield. Hot Tip, on the other hand, with only one captive ball, has so many other shot options.

#12379 89 days ago
Quoted from stashyboy:

Just finished restoring this late 70's Gottlieb Rock Star. Some parts familiar to System One games include vinyl coated wire, coin mechanism changes and blue print schematic would indicate DC powered flippers, slingshot kickers and pop bumpers though this game was never wired that way. Sorry it is not for sale. Several people have asked me already. NOS Playfield swap, all the usual rebuild/recondition stuff, but the most challenging part was replacing 90% of the metal work in the game due to severe corrosion. Exhausted my supply of spare parts. Also upgraded the playfield rails to real solid oak as the cheap looking contact paper ones were showing their age. Game was stored on the Jersey Shore from what I understand.
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Nice restore. Looks great! I have Blue Note sample #3.

#12380 89 days ago
Quoted from hoov:

Nice restore. Looks great! I have Blue Note sample #3.

When I was at the PHF in Vegas a few years back. My goal was to play every EM in there once. Blue Note stopped me in my tracks and I refused to leave the machine until I hit 200k. Fun game that demands you play another. The only problem with Gottlieb games of this era are those horrible spinners.

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#12381 88 days ago
Quoted from hoov:

Nice restore. Looks great! I have Blue Note sample #3.

Blue Note and Strange World are my top two favorite wedgehead titles. Nice Rock Star restoration stashyboy.

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#12382 88 days ago
Quoted from ZNET:

Blue Note and Strange World are my top two favorite wedgehead titles.

And that's what I've heard about Rock Star, and as much as the playfield on Stock Car doesn't look
very exciting (well not to my eyes), I've heard it was a nice player. I need to get that other room finished
off so I can go through these machines and set them up..

#12383 87 days ago
Quoted from pinwiztom:

https://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?gtype=EM&ft=messenger+ball&sortby=date&searchtype=advanced
Messenger Ball covers others not on the previous list
and might be a better descriptor of what is being described, as ipdb uses captive ball to also describe pins with bagatelle action and
mechs where captive ball works a ladder before being released.

If you like, you can pull up both terms in a single list using the "or" symbol which is the pipe symbol. Also, though, insert a period between words in each phrase to make them search as phrases.

phrase1 OR phrase2

captive.ball|messenger.ball

Here's the list of EM's with that search criteria:

https://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?gtype=EM&ft=captive.ball%7Cmessenger.ball&sortby=date&searchtype=advanced

Jay

#12384 81 days ago
Quoted from John_I:

I decided to make a playfield protector to prevent any further damage. I have a good method for making the protector, so that is not a huge project. I did a little touch up on the playfield and to fix the areas under the pops, I made some sun patterns like the ones already in the art other places on the playfield and put them under the protector. All in all the playfield looks nice now even though I left a lot of patina rather than repainting large areas. The protector makes it shiny, smooth and fast.

Hi, any chance of sharing the playfield protector secret?

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#12385 80 days ago

Completed full resto of Bally 1976 Aladdin's Castle. Replaced cab bottom and back boards; replaced lightbox bulb shrouds; derusted and repainted legs gunmetal; cab repaint using mdf stencils; significant work required to service all steppers but particularly those in the light box; removed blistering and split adhesive mylar from upper pf and repainted upper pf areas; labels replaced (my thanks to Peter Koch); replaced apron decals; lots of spare parts used from my cache and thanks also to pinjunk (Skip). Awaiting replacement bg from Steve Azzam.

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Machine plays fast and fun to play. After restoring many GTB machines I really enjoyed working on a Bally and have quite a deal of respect for their manufacturing design particularly score reels which are well designed and easy to service and maintain.

#12386 80 days ago
Quoted from DCRand:

Hi, any chance of sharing the playfield protector secret?

It is not too difficult if you have the right tools and avoid the wrong tools. Work on a thick (3/4) plywood as backing because most of the cutting involves punching and the required a good whack from a hammer. For holes, I use a punch and NEVER a drill. I have a punch kit for all sizes. For long cuts I use really nice scissors (Fiskars). For short straight cuts I use a set of nice wood chisels. Don't try to use a knife. Using a combination of tools, each one right for the cut you need, it will end up really clean looking.

Here are the basic steps for an EM.

- Strip the playfield leaving only the wood rails if possible.
- Measure carefully and cut the protector so it covers the playfield and a little way around into the shooter lane. Use only .020 polycarbonate material. Don't use the thicker stuff. Leave the protective layer on until the final installation and then peel it off.
- Mark sure the protector can move a little bit in all four directions say an 1/8" or a few mm and mark two or three holes where there are posts on the playfield. Punch small holes to allow installing posts. The purpose here is to hold down the protector good and firm.
- Trace all of the lines and holes that you want to cut with the plastic held firmly in place. Remember to leave a small gap around everything on the playfield. The final protector should be able to move back and forth freely a little bit or it will bow up when it expands from heat.
- Cut out all of the lines you have traced and return the protector to the playfield and screw it back down again with the posts. Make sure you didn't miss anything.
- Now enlarge the holes from the hold down posts you have been using so the posts no longer go over top of the protector.
- Begin repopulating the playfield and make sure nothing prevents the protector from being able to move. You might need to return it to the bench a dozen times to trim here and there.

The PETG sheets may be hard to come by right now - 0.020 is the key. Nothing thicker. Order a few sheets and they ship them flat instead of rolled...

amazon.com link »

amazon.com link »

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#12387 80 days ago
Quoted from wayner:

...Completed full resto of Bally 1976 Aladdin's Castle. Machine plays fast and fun to play...

You did an excellent job on your Aladdin's Castle Wayne! It looks great.

#12388 80 days ago
Quoted from wayner:

Completed full resto of Bally 1976 Aladdin's Castle

Nice job.
Raff

#12389 78 days ago

That resto looks very nice! Very rewarding too when they turn out as nice as that.

#12390 78 days ago
Quoted from John_I:

It is not too difficult if you have the right tools and avoid the wrong tools. Work on a thick (3/4) plywood as backing because most of the cutting involves punching and the required a good whack from a hammer. For holes, I use a punch and NEVER a drill. I have a punch kit for all sizes. For long cuts I use really nice scissors (Fiskars). For short straight cuts I use a set of nice wood chisels. Don't try to use a knife. Using a combination of tools, each one right for the cut you need, it will end up really clean looking.
Here are the basic steps for an EM.
- Strip the playfield leaving only the wood rails if possible.
- Measure carefully and cut the protector so it covers the playfield and a little way around into the shooter lane. Use only .020 polycarbonate material. Don't use the thicker stuff. Leave the protective layer on until the final installation and then peel it off.
- Mark sure the protector can move a little bit in all four directions say an 1/8" or a few mm and mark two or three holes where there are posts on the playfield. Punch small holes to allow installing posts. The purpose here is to hold down the protector good and firm.
- Trace all of the lines and holes that you want to cut with the plastic held firmly in place. Remember to leave a small gap around everything on the playfield. The final protector should be able to move back and forth freely a little bit or it will bow up when it expands from heat.
- Cut out all of the lines you have traced and return the protector to the playfield and screw it back down again with the posts. Make sure you didn't miss anything.
- Now enlarge the holes from the hold down posts you have been using so the posts no longer go over top of the protector.
- Begin repopulating the playfield and make sure nothing prevents the protector from being able to move. You might need to return it to the bench a dozen times to trim here and there.
The PETG sheets may be hard to come by right now - 0.020 is the key. Nothing thicker. Order a few sheets and they ship them flat instead of rolled...
amazon.com link »
amazon.com link »
amazon.com link »
amazon.com link »
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Nice, thank you. Great idea and technique.

#12391 78 days ago

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Machine plays fast and fun to play. After restoring many GTB machines I really enjoyed working on a Bally and have quite a deal of respect for their manufacturing design particularly score reels which are well designed and easy to service and maintain.

And this is why I never call my work a restoration. I bow to your skills.

#12392 77 days ago
Quoted from John_I:

It is not too difficult if you have the right tools and avoid the wrong tools. Work on a thick (3/4) plywood as backing because most of the cutting involves punching and the required a good whack from a hammer. For holes, I use a punch and NEVER a drill. I have a punch kit for all sizes. For long cuts I use really nice scissors (Fiskars). For short straight cuts I use a set of nice wood chisels. Don't try to use a knife. Using a combination of tools, each one right for the cut you need, it will end up really clean looking.
Here are the basic steps for an EM.
- Strip the playfield leaving only the wood rails if possible.
- Measure carefully and cut the protector so it covers the playfield and a little way around into the shooter lane. Use only .020 polycarbonate material. Don't use the thicker stuff. Leave the protective layer on until the final installation and then peel it off.
- Mark sure the protector can move a little bit in all four directions say an 1/8" or a few mm and mark two or three holes where there are posts on the playfield. Punch small holes to allow installing posts. The purpose here is to hold down the protector good and firm.
- Trace all of the lines and holes that you want to cut with the plastic held firmly in place. Remember to leave a small gap around everything on the playfield. The final protector should be able to move back and forth freely a little bit or it will bow up when it expands from heat.
- Cut out all of the lines you have traced and return the protector to the playfield and screw it back down again with the posts. Make sure you didn't miss anything.
- Now enlarge the holes from the hold down posts you have been using so the posts no longer go over top of the protector.
- Begin repopulating the playfield and make sure nothing prevents the protector from being able to move. You might need to return it to the bench a dozen times to trim here and there.
The PETG sheets may be hard to come by right now - 0.020 is the key. Nothing thicker. Order a few sheets and they ship them flat instead of rolled...
amazon.com link »
amazon.com link »
amazon.com link »
amazon.com link »
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Thanks for sharing this. One question, after installed, what holds the protector down? I like this as an alternative to clear coating a restored play field.

Alberto

#12393 77 days ago

johnI showed me how to do this during a recent visit. It's not hard to learn but it has a learning curve for sure. I made one for a Bally King Rex that I did a major touch up job on. By the way the Quarterback in the picture is now mine and it plays great. This was maybe the first playfield protector John did but with everything he does its a first rate job. Thanks John.

#12394 77 days ago
Quoted from Peruman:

Thanks for sharing this. One question, after installed, what holds the protector down? I like this as an alternative to clear coating a restored play field.
Alberto

Nothing holds the protector down. If you make it right it should be able to move a little bit in all four directions before hitting a post or something. This might seem odd. The reason this is done is because the Playfield is wood and when it heats up it expands at a different rate than the plastic does. When this happens the plastic will bubble up. That's the reason the play field protectors that are available commercially work the same way.

#12395 77 days ago
Quoted from John_I:

Nothing holds the protector down. If you make it right it should be able to move a little bit in all four directions before hitting a post or something. This might seem odd. The reason this is done is because the Playfield is wood and when it heats up it expands at a different rate than the plastic does. When this happens the plastic will bubble up. That's the reason the play field protectors that are available commercially work the same way.

Do you worry about dirt and miscellaneous dust getting under the protector?

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#12396 77 days ago

I just finished cleaning this Sample #3.
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No differences with the production model.

#12397 77 days ago
Quoted from wayinla:

Do you worry about dirt and miscellaneous dust getting under the protector?

I haven't seen it in home use. I make sure the game is spotless before they go down and I'm careful when I go in and clean and wax. I should note that I only put these on games with bad cupping on the inserts or to prevent further damage on a game like my Spanish Eyes that is badly planked and chipping. I just finished up on my Fun Land and the playfield is nice and the inserts are flat, so the only protector on this one is a good coat of wax.
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#12398 76 days ago

John_I can probably add to this but I have had very little dirt get under the protector on Quarterback. I wipe down my game every 100 plays or so. It only takes a few minutes but I do pick up a small amount of smoke film. Also if you did see dirt under the protector its a simple matter to remove the protector, clean the playfield and reinstall them. On EM games that is.

#12399 76 days ago

John, you type faster than I do.

#12400 76 days ago

Funland looks great.

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