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EM : Show us your EM Pinball Machines!


By Rat_Tomago

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#8851 2 years ago

Unfortunately Williams games did not come with a manual until the 70's as far as I know. I know they were an earlier adopter of the pinball manual but I do not think it was that early, in 1967 when Touchdown was released. I know for certain Gottlieb didn't until the mid 70's, just schematics, and all three major manufacturers were like that for a very very very long time.

Cosmos didn't have a manual as far as I know and that paper actually came as a standalone sheet with the game. (unless it really was a mail bulletin but due to the content that seems a little unlikely unless they didn't realize until after complaints of the released final non-sample games) You DO see a lot of things like this mostly in the form of little cards (like instruction cards) that either came with the game in terms of it being a separate piece, or a lot of that type of information got stapled to the inside of the cabinet as well, although usually it pertained more to the inner workings, systems, and settings of the game if it was stapled inside of the machine - the more "top-side" stuff was usually found elsewhere like I stated.

#8852 2 years ago

Even if they did suggest it though, the last thing I would suggest today would be screwing screws in new spots into the playfield! Drops value, both collector and monetary. Your game, though, of course. Just a warning.

#8853 2 years ago
Quoted from Otaku:

Unfortunately Williams games did not come with a manual until the 70's as far as I know.

I have a few Williams manuals from the 60's and have seen a Touchdown manual for sale. I think 66 or 67 might have been the first years, I know '64 is a no go as I was looking for one for my Heatwave.

The '68 Daffie manual I'm looking at now clearly list play field conservative and liberal positions of posts.

#8854 2 years ago
Quoted from Otaku:

Even if they did suggest it though, the last thing I would suggest today would be screwing screws in new spots into the playfield! Drops value, both collector and monetary. Your game, though, of course. Just a warning.

If its a factory suggestion then I'm all good with it, if not I'll leave it be.

It would make the game more fun *if* there was a post there like the game pictured. The opening for the outlane is a gaping maw that sucks in any ball in the vicinity.

Value.. is subjective. The game has been repainted, the backglass a bit of a shambles and the machine actually started to catch fire while I was at the sellers house and it had been robbed of parts for good measure.

I have it running 100% again, replaced the bulk of the missing parts and some time in the future going to repaint the old girl so it looks something like it shipped from the factory but doubt it will have much collector value.

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#8855 2 years ago

What's the deal with this cab on this $500 slick chick?

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#8856 2 years ago
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:

Tell me more about your Cosmos. Do you like it? How often do you play it?

I wish I could tell you. I bought it non working and haven't had a chance to dig into it. I bought it on looks alone since I love the art package and the cool backglass animation. Hopefully I like the game play as well. Here's a funny review of it. He loved the art but wasn't super impressed with game play, maybe he would have liked it more with the out lane post installed?

Quoted from Rat_Tomago:

Where did you find it for sale?

This was a craigslist find. I thought it was a steal at $175. It probably didn't sell fast because it wasn't working and the back glass was busted. Luckily I found a place that sells a repro translite like film. http://www.coos.net/bingo_e/backglasses.html

Quoted from Rat_Tomago:

What is the condition of it? Do you have any pictures to contribute of your machine?

Condtion cosmetically (except for the glass) was pretty good. I have it buried behind a bunch of stuff at the moment but will post pictures once I get it going. If I like the game play I want to do a full on restore to it like I did on my C37 last year. I really like the earlier cabs for this game that used a black base coat instead of white. I might contemplate doing that if I do a full tear down. I think the black cab goes well with the space theme and the rest of the color scheme of the game. I wonder why they switched from black to white for production?

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#8857 2 years ago
Quoted from docquest:

This was a craigslist find. I thought it was a steal at $175. It probably didn't sell fast because it wasn't working and the back glass was busted. Luckily I found a place that sells a repro translite like film. http://www.coos.net/bingo_e/backglasses.html

How is that backglass film? I have seen his site while browsing bingo pin stuff & I have always wondered.

#8858 2 years ago
Quoted from docquest:

back glass was busted. Luckily I found a place that sells a repro translite like film. http://www.coos.net/bingo_e/backglasses.html

Hey O-din
These same guys ( from Europe
Also have repro Backglasses for Eager Beaver and Struggle Buggies should you ever need them.
You can may be get them to get Heat Wave redone also.

#8859 2 years ago
Quoted from docquest:

I think the black cab goes well with the space theme and the rest of the color scheme of the game.

The black base coat is definitely the cooler and sharper looking paint scheme.
Mine is the typical white base, but i would consider repainting it to the proto scheme.

#8860 2 years ago

Wow dude! That is an early production sample! You scored big at 175 dollars. I have been watching that video for the last 6 weeks in anticipation. My game has a brand new backglass. My guess is BGresto. He could have bought from this site. I will have to check into it upon receiving the machine. If it is a thick BG resto ghlass then I may have to order from these guys in Europe and spare no expense.

#8861 2 years ago
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:

Wow dude! That is an early production sample

Those pics are not mine, they are from IPDB. My game is white. I'll post pics of mine after I unbury it from storage.

#8862 2 years ago
Quoted from dasvis:

How is that backglass film? I have seen his site while browsing bingo pin stuff & I have always wondered.

I will post some pics of the repro backglass film and a little review later this week.

#8863 2 years ago

Wow the black cab theme looks great!

#8864 2 years ago
Quoted from embryonjohn:

What's the deal with this cab on this $500 slick chick?

And the wooden legs.

#8865 2 years ago

Gdonovon,hey like your machine,i think your back glass art is better than mine. And who bought slick chick.it being a wedgy.hopefully playfield is in better shape than back glass.I'd say if playfield will clean up nice.500.00 is good starting point.did they say best offer.because we all know its $300. For new back glass.but the general rule in stl area is a nice wedgy for a grand or under is not bad deal.any thoughts.anyone!

#8866 2 years ago

My mistake,your BG might be better on slick chick.my cell a little dirty.and light reflection. After closer look.looks pretty good. Sorry.glanced.but restored or nice basement banger, I think someone will do good.

#8867 2 years ago
Quoted from pinballbrian:

Gdonovon,hey like your machine,i think your back glass art is better than mine.

Its been doctored... badly. I'm going to scrape some of the "work" off and start fresh in spots.

#8868 2 years ago

I hear ya,I'm cleaning score reels tonight,someone just put more grease on baked on grease,busy sanding ,scraping off.reels are starting to click correct now.talk at you all later.

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#8869 2 years ago

Newest addition today. Happy Happy !!!

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#8870 2 years ago
Quoted from Otaku:

Was there a Williams Expo bulletin or are you just assuming there was? Most of the time back then this was the doing of random operators adding these things, as well as center posts between the flippers.
A real pity nowadays because it leaves a nasty hole in the playfield, and artwork if applicable.

You think operators would actually ADD posts to the outlanes or between the flippers? Just the opposite youngster.

#8871 2 years ago
Quoted from Gerry:

Newest addition today. Happy Happy !!!

Orin had one... it hooked me. Fun game & nice score!

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#8872 2 years ago

My buddy presqueisle gave me a sweet deal on this Dancing Lady project. I'm looking forward to putting some time on it. Love those jeweled posts.

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#8873 2 years ago

Oh and I took the Big Daddy challenge when I was there to pick up. Light the one? Yeah right, I didn't crack 500. I'm optimistic though I think with 50 more tries I could pull it off. Very cool game.

#8874 2 years ago
Quoted from NicoVolta:

Orin had one... it hooked me. Fun game & nice score!

Me too...

I put some time in on it last night, i didn't quite figure out the rule set at my friends house where i got it from...

But i understand it now.. VERY challenging !

Every time you plunge it is a different skill shot, 6 choices, pretty cool...

certain number combos award extra ball, or open gates etc, along with lighting the captive hole or gate for high point awards...

still need to figure out what combo's do certain things

And shooting the gate is very difficult when its lit, one second its lit, and the next its not and its too late... if you hit the mushroom bumpers..

for sure a one more game type of thing going one here

#8875 2 years ago
Quoted from Gerry:

Me too...
I put some time in on it last night, i didn't quite figure out the rule set at my friends house where i got it from...
But i understand it now.. VERY challenging !
Every time you plunge it is a different skill shot, 6 choices, pretty cool...
for sure a one more game type of thing going one here

Yep and combined with the speed of Bally games makes it even better. Targets change in a split second!

#8876 2 years ago

Hey gang,got playfield clean.don't look bad at all.like the little Joe,Gerry.another little Joe machine showed up on craigslist here.stl area.guess I was late.no response from owner.must be popular game.did not last 24 hours.

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#8877 2 years ago

PF looks good brian ! Nice job !

Yes Nick. the shots are there and then there gone that fast.. tough game, but fun game...

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#8878 2 years ago

Very happy to finally have a King Pin!

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#8879 2 years ago
Quoted from Gerry:

Newest addition today. Happy Happy !!!

Never played this one, and I hear it's a good player.

#8880 2 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

Never played this one, and I hear it's a good player.

Love the backglass, hilarious! I'm tempted to buy the one in NY that is for sale just on that alone.

#8881 2 years ago
Quoted from AlexF:

My buddy presqueisle gave me a sweet deal on this Dancing Lady project. I'm looking forward to putting some time on it. Love those jeweled posts.

That is one beautiful looking pin, a piece of art in itself.

#8882 2 years ago
Quoted from gdonovan:

Love the backglass, hilarious! I'm tempted to buy the one in NY that is for sale just on that alone.

Which one in NY ?

#8883 2 years ago
Quoted from Gerry:

Which one in NY ?

There is a Bally Little Joe listed for sale.

#8884 2 years ago

If it's the one here on pinside. It in my living room now I bought it Sunday.

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#8885 2 years ago

Sea Wolf restored after years of neglect in someone's barn.

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#8886 2 years ago

Nice job siderails!! Wow! I swear there's some magicians on this thread. EM's are in good hands with peeps on this thread!

#8887 2 years ago
Quoted from Siderails:

Sea Wolf restored after years of neglect in someone's barn.

Beautiful! Is that a NOS or replacement BG?

Can you show photos of the restored playfield for us?

Bruce

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#8888 2 years ago

The BG is a repro from Shay. The original was about 75% flaked. The playfield was really good as received with only 2 or 3 wear spots that were easy to repaint. I also had to make a new lock down bar which was missing when I got the game. I also had to make a red 7 insert at the left drain lane since it was also missing.

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#8889 2 years ago

Awesome machine Siderails, and I do not use that term loosely. Thanks!

#8890 2 years ago
Quoted from Siderails:

The playfield was really good as received with only 2 or 3 wear spots that were easy to repaint.

The instruction card apron looks nice also. Just took a good cleaning?
Very nice save.. What do you think of Sea Wolfs game play? (T)

#8891 2 years ago

I love the little Sea Wolf instruction card. "Smack ball with flippers" "Score points"

#8892 2 years ago

Hi E.M.-minded folks,

I'm trying to make the rounds to let folks know that I recently finished some previously unobtainable plastics and they're now available through Pinball Resource. Info and pictures here:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/more-repro-plastic-sets-by-ryan-claytor-at-pinball-resource

Thanks for checking these out and letting your woodrail buddies know about 'em.

#8893 2 years ago
Quoted from Mopar:

The instruction card apron looks nice also. Just took a good cleaning?
Very nice save.. What do you think of Sea Wolfs game play? (T)

The apron is a stick on from pinball rescue applied to the original apron that I spray painted in yellow. The game is ok playing. Like many games of the 50 and 60's there is a big glob of something in the middle of the playfield which makes getting the ball back up to the top very hard which lessens scoring opportunities. But it is a cool looking game and the disappearing bumper is unique having been used on only 3 or 4 games.

#8894 2 years ago

Picked up a couple of years back & very nice GTB Sure Shot (30k plays). I have only just got around to doing a partial service-strip & wax pf & service motor board. After rescuing a number of beaters it was great to work on a nice original machine. Only issue was a broken brake switch on the score motor but it had not previously effected gameplay & a few faulty lamp holders. Machine plays very nice.

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#8895 2 years ago

Looking for some plastics to my 1970 Bally trail drive.im in Pittsburgh area ..

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#8896 2 years ago
Quoted from wayner:

Picked up a couple of years back & very nice GTB Sure Shot (30k plays). I have only just got around to doing a partial service-strip & wax pf & service motor board. After rescuing a number of beaters it was great to work on a nice original machine. Only issue was a broken brake switch on the score motor but it had not previously effected gameplay & a few faulty lamp holders. Machine plays very nice.

Very nice!

#8897 2 years ago
Quoted from dasvis:

How is that backglass film? I have seen his site while browsing bingo pin stuff & I have always wondered.

Here are some pics of the backglass film install. Looking at the condition of my old glass you can see why I needed it.

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Here's a video the seller made showing how to install it.

Here are some pics of my install.

I used the wet method to install as recommend by the seller. He definitely does not recommend the dry method. I laid the film and new glass next to each on a towel. I cleaned the glass. I applied a liberal amount of water from a spray bottle onto the film as I peel it off its backing as well as the new glass itself. the mix was 1 bottle of water with 2-3 drops of dish soap. The seller says you can't use too much water.

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The water lets you tweak and adjust the position. Once its centered you use a squeegee to get as much water out as possible. I was a little aggressive with the squeegee and created a few scratched in the clear area around the moon window. However its very minor. I wasn't able to get a good pic of it since it was so hard to see.

The film is wider than the glass so there is some clear film over hangs on all 4 sides. Once its dry for an hour or 2 then trim the excess off. Even though I cleaned the glass prior to install, I noticed a hair trapped under the film when I was trimming the edges. Now that the film is dry I don't think it can be removed without damaging the art. Luckily its very small and hard to see unless you really look for it. So while its still wet you should also flip over to the front to double check nothing is trapped between the glass and the film.

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I think it looks great. Compared to the original the color is not exact but unless you had an original next to it I don't think you would ever notice the color difference. I'll definitely use him again if I need another glass that he has done.

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When I attached the trim to the glass it was a little loose so I also put some friction tape on the edges. The trim is nice and snug now. Unfortunately the game isn't running yet so I can't see how it looks all lit up yet.

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#8898 2 years ago

I had this follow me home from Allentown this weekend. Looks and plays great. I played a nicely restored one one at a show a few years ago and have been looking for one ever since. Glad to finally get one.

Has a few cracks in the glass though. If anyone has a lead on a mint one or someone who has already repro'ed it let me know.

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#8899 2 years ago
Quoted from docquest:

Here are some pics of the backglass film install. Looking at the condition of my old glass you can see why I needed it.

Here's a video the seller made showing how to install it.
» YouTube video
Here are some pics of my install.
I used the wet method to install as recommend by the seller. He definitely does not recommend the dry method. I laid the film and new glass next to each on a towel. I cleaned the glass. I applied a liberal amount of water from a spray bottle onto the film as I peel it off its backing as well as the new glass itself. the mix was 1 bottle of water with 2-3 drops of dish soap. The seller says you can't use too much water.

The water lets you tweak and adjust the position. Once its centered you use a squeegee to get as much water out as possible. I was a little aggressive with the squeegee and created a few scratched in the clear area around the moon window. However its very minor. I wasn't able to get a good pic of it since it was so hard to see.
The film is wider than the glass so there is some clear film over hangs on all 4 sides. Once its dry for an hour or 2 then trim the excess off. Even though I cleaned the glass prior to install, I noticed a hair trapped under the film when I was trimming the edges. Now that the film is dry I don't think it can be removed without damaging the art. Luckily its very small and hard to see unless you really look for it. So while its still wet you should also flip over to the front to double check nothing is trapped between the glass and the film.

I think it looks great. Compared to the original the color is not exact but unless you had an original next to it I don't think you would ever notice the color difference. I'll definitely use him again if I need another glass that he has done.

When I attached the trim to the glass it was a little loose so I also put some friction tape on the edges. The trim is nice and snug now. Unfortunately the game isn't running yet so I can't see how it looks all lit up yet.

Nice, thanks!

#8900 2 years ago

That's an interesting method of a backglass. I am curious to know if my Cosmos will have either this film method or a BGresto glass. I do know that my glass is not original. I guess I will find out sometime this week. STI update shows the pin being here by the 12th. It all depend on customs at the border right now. It should be clearing customs soon and on the way to Texas.

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