Next time you can contact him and ask if he'll leave the stuff out of the kit for a small rebate.

FWIW I paid $230~ (bought in a 3-game lot, did the math) for my fully working nice condition Gottlieb Wild Life, which is the 2 player version of Gottlieb's Jungle and arguably the two player games are more desirable than the 4-player games. I'd say mine was definitely a "deal" price for what I got and I did quite good on it but nothing overly spectacular for title. I think it was fair, wouldn't want to underpay to a Pinsider either, he was a great seller who I will likely buy games from in the future. $550 seems high but I guess that's retail. $700 is 110% ridiculous unless that thing is absolutely mint with like 100 plays on it.

I think you might have overpaid but I think it's a really fun game so hopefully you love it too. Even if you have to sell it at a loss at least you got a fun game and you just paid for that fun, and you'll get like a little more than half back if you ever want to sell it.

That shouldn't be an issue by the time you go to apply wax. The distillates should be evaporated by then.

The carnauba is going to have distillates in it too. Pure carnauba is hard as a brick and they're used to soften it.

Here is some progress on my Jungle pin. This is the game I picked up for $40. I just got it running this past weekend but still has some minor adjustments to finish.....like cleaning all those score reels. I cleaned only player one and adjust the contacts on all the others just so I could get the game running. I still need to redo the cabinet coin door etc... I've been trying to use parts that are still good that Ive replaced from some of my other games. Like the posts, came off of an old game but I cleaned them and painted them with glossy white and i think they turned out just fine. Not trying to sink to much money into this game because I am giving it to my father in law. I did spent some money on a used backglass and some plastics I got from another pinsider.

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hehe.... loved that BG art!

I wish i would have taken more Before picture to show what a basketcase this playfield was. It have broken plastics held together by scotch tape. The person I got this from had it stored outside on a patio. But I'm really happy with the way its turning out and the game play.

That Jungle looks awesome. PF looks real nice. Is the apron original? Nice job!!

Thank you two for easing my mind.

Yes it is. It just took a little cleaning. Its still has most of the webbing on the apron too

All wax has some sort of solvents in it to make the wax soft enough to apply. Those solvents are petroleum distillates. Look up the MSDS of your favorite wax and you'll see them in there.
I found that out the hard way early in my pin career when I used some Johnsons paste wax and it smeared/dissolved the keyhole lines that I had gone over with a sharpie.
Petroleum based solvents in wax and the fact that "100% carnauba" wax is no where near 100% carnauba have to be the biggest misunderstandings about wax. It demonstrates how good the marketing is from these companies.
Wax Police out.

Owning the 2-player version, it really weirds me out seeing the big 4 player head on that title. I only realized that they did that recently (different head sizes, 4-player is significantly taller) and before thought it was just the slight age difference between my 4-player Magnotron and my 2-player Wild Life. Kind of wish they all had the same head sizes, I wonder why they had to make it bigger. The back of the 2-player game seems so empty, surprised they couldn't fit all of that in there.

Yet another reason 2-player games should be more collectible, I suppose. I wish the heads all lined nicely!

Oddly, I use Mother's Pure Carnauba Wax with no cleaners on playfields where I've done Sharpie touch ups and Acrylic touch ups because it doesn't seem to affect those areas like other waxes do. Never had a problem with it in that regard.

Obviously that's a different backglass. It's funny how that one seems to fade easily and uniformly with the red area turning almost white.

That makes two of you.

Speaking of backglasses, I'm not sure this is how I'd package one that has to travel halfway around the world.

But, we'll see!

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Oh, he done good! Thank goodness for plexiglass!

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Sweeeet!

Nice! But how is the translucency/opacity?

Jim Dandy! And the colors really pop. They knew what they were doing back in the day. I've got another export glass on Fashion Show and you can't tell, except that it looks almost brand new.

Niiiiice!

It may not be as translucent as the first one .

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I would take an export plexi glass any day. I have had a few gottliebs over the years. they always look great and hold up great. never any lifting, a few rub marks that's it.

50+ years later there really aren't that many options when it come to Skill Pool backglass. And for 100 English pounds shipped I think I did OK. They weren't selling the Magic Bus.

i think its case by case but the take away is for people to be aware that these waxes have petroleum in them. it may be inconsequential if you're never going to do touch ups but if you are or plan on having your playfield cleared, it's good to know.
mothers pure Brazilian carnauba is at least 25% "paraffinic, napthenic" solvent according to the MSDS. from what I've seen that's the typical solvent used and it is from petroleum.

Packing a pinball score glass for shipment requires some steps to insure it doesn’t break in shipment. Below is a run down of how we do it. We’ve found this method works the best.

http://bgresto.com/?page_id=777

I wouldn't do it. Mostly because I don't like it, but as vid has pointed out, if Millwax (a stuff I use) has ever been on a playfield, and I guarantee that many if not most EM playfields have seen it, then Auto Clear will not properly stick.

Leave the auto clear for the DMD boys, or do whatever you like with your machine, but i won't be buying it and probably won''t want to play it.

I'm curious. What other machines had the backglass made in plexi glass for export?
And where would you look to buy one?

I don't go to extremes like some do. I try to find a decent example to fix and play. I'll pop out the inserts and level them the best I can. If the playfield only has minor wear I leave it as that is it's history. Once it's in our hands it will never suffer the neglect or wear that the last 50 years put on it.

If it is seriously worn though, I'd say do whatever you can to make it better instead of sending it to the dumpster.

I don't know what to tell you about this one though. Some are better left to the experts. I just want to play it!

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I can live with this one just the way it is. Many hours of elbo grease is all I've got for this $75 machine. Put it back together and on to the next one. Three coats of wax and it won't wear any more.

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Looks better than my playfield. They aren't new you know. But if you've got the time somebody's got the beer. Speaking of which, it's time to go play. If I spent too much time on one then the other 30 might feel neglected. See ya!

all mfg. used Plexi on exports. as far where to find them, state side they pop up from time to time.
or you can look across the pond and get one like odin.

And packaged to stand the trip.

yep, that's my point.

King Pin and Classy Bowler are on their way to Texas and I got something done this morning.

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Looks so nice..........

I can't wait to see it lit up. I need to finish putting it back together first though. It started as a $75 parts game, but I made it work and decided it was a keeper. Then I found a better cabinet that had a burned playfield. And this glass from England. It's all coming together now.

That's a beaut!

We do some crazy things in this hobby. Has anybody else paid $300 to ship a $100 game? Well since the ad is still up, that's what I did with the intent of using the cabinet and sending this glass to BGresto. Finding the glass I have now was just a fluke. So about $600 total in this game and to me it is well worth it. And I have some parts leftover.

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/ad/32063

And everybody around here says there are no good deals at the captains auction.

http://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bsccapt/catalogue-id-bsccapt10048/lot-c3fcd9c5-3b88-4601-b4ea-a5c600833552

I seriously bought it for parts. But all I had to do was adjust a flipper and it was pretty much plug and play. And we played the heck out of it before I got further enthused.

A big Thanks to hoov and Alex for passing these up and o-din for selling them to me.

Finally got a Williams King Pin back in my lineup for good.

Ken

Enjoy Ken!

I'll continue my quest for a King Pin (o-din's Skill Pool would be nice too) - minus shipping of course.

Classy Bowler didn't last long? I hear it's a great player.

I guess I will find out as I will be the one going through it and test playing it when it arrives although it is my friends game, he took Classy Bowler and I took King Pin.

Ken