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EM : Show us your EM Pinball Machines!


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#5951 3 years ago

Well, I guess this is as good a place as any to show these. This is the start of my restoration of my 1966 Williams Hot Line. I'm about half way through sanding down the cab and head for repaint, but waiting for the weather to get better so I can get back outside. So I did work on the bottom board instead. Stripped all the components, board sanded down, motor disassembled, cleaned up, and reassembled, all relays disassembled and cleaned and reassembled, and the wiring harness scrubbed down to remove all the grime. Looks much better now. 20160314_193210_(2)_(resized).jpg20160319_163133_(resized).jpg20160327_173851_(resized).jpg20160327_224622_(resized).jpg20160408_201210_(resized).jpg

#5952 3 years ago
Quoted from EMsInKC:

Well, I guess this is as good a place as any to show these. This is the start of my restoration of my 1966 Williams Hot Line. I'm about half way through sanding down the cab and head for repaint, but waiting for the weather to get better so I can get back outside. So I did work on the bottom board instead. Stripped all the components, board sanded down, motor disassembled, cleaned up, and reassembled, all relays disassembled and cleaned and reassembled, and the wiring harness scrubbed down to remove all the grime. Looks much better now. 20160314_193210_(2)_(resized).jpg20160319_163133_(resized).jpg20160327_173851_(resized).jpg20160327_224622_(resized).jpg20160408_201210_(resized).jpg

Looks really nice. What did you use to clean up the harness?

#5953 3 years ago

A mix of Simple Green and water and a toothbrush. Works really well. I've used this before on other games and it gets the harness pretty clean. Doesn't seem to harm anything and it doesn't remove the color from the cloth insulation. Really cleans up the high voltage plastic insulated wires well.

#5954 3 years ago
Quoted from EMsInKC:

Well, I guess this is as good a place as any to show these. This is the start of my restoration of my 1966 Williams Hot Line. I'm about half way through sanding down the cab and head for repaint, but waiting for the weather to get better so I can get back outside. So I did work on the bottom board instead. Stripped all the components, board sanded down, motor disassembled, cleaned up, and reassembled, all relays disassembled and cleaned and reassembled, and the wiring harness scrubbed down to remove all the grime. Looks much better now. 20160314_193210_(2)_(resized).jpg20160319_163133_(resized).jpg20160327_173851_(resized).jpg20160327_224622_(resized).jpg20160408_201210_(resized).jpg

looks great.... But I hate the white cord!
needs to be black and relaced into the wire harness.

#5955 3 years ago

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here is a before and after of one I did this weekend

#5956 3 years ago
Quoted from boilerman:

looks great.... But I hate the white cord!
needs to be black and relaced into the wire harness.

The white cord was all I had that was grounded when I was having a grounding issue with this game. It will be replaced before the restoration is finished.

It won't be relaced, though. I don't do lacing. The cord that was in place when I got the game was not laced in, either.

#5957 3 years ago

not every mfg laced the cord in. If not I do zip tie it to the braid to support it.
I have a white cord that has clips on the ends that I use when testing the bottom board.

#5958 3 years ago

There's no evidence on this one there ever was any cord under the lacing. The lacing is tight and there's no remnant cord there.

I do zip tie them in when I replace them. This was just a temp fix until I found my grounding issue.

#5959 3 years ago
Quoted from Darcy:

"Missed it by that Much!"
A worthy High Score

He said I see why it's on three ball becuase if it was five it would be too easy to beat But I'd like to buy your 4 Roses if you want to sell it.

#5960 3 years ago

**NOT MINE**, but I fully repaired this 1974 Bally Amigo for a local business run by a good friend of mine. Had a TON of issues and happy I worked them all out. Wired for free play, stress tested, and ready to go into the lineup after he waxes it. Had a major ground issue and also had to go through most of the reels as the 9-position switches were adjusted closed on many of the reels, on the 4th player set if you scored 10 points you got 111, etc., lol.

Previous owner let their own cat sleep/live inside of it, no waste though, just a LOT of hair and cat dust. Luckily he vacuumed it before I got there but had to again in the middle of it, bleh. Made my throat all weird (not fully allergic, just sensitive), I don't really like cats and my body doesn't either.

Disgusting, and no, I wouldn't buy this thing for cheap, even though it's pretty cleaned up now. But luckily from the outside (unaffected) it should be a great player and it's the first EM at the location (with at least 35+ other pinball machines), so that's nice. Had a ton of fun doing it though and love helping out my friends. Will be interesting to see how it does, tweaked it so there's not much to fail. We think a lot of people will appreciate it. http://www.morristowngamevault.com/

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#5961 3 years ago
Quoted from boilerman:

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here is a before and after of one I did this weekend

Gorgeous!

#5962 3 years ago

Spreading the love! That's great.

#5963 3 years ago
Quoted from boilerman:

here is a before and after of one I did this weekend

WOW! nice work my friend. I hope you have one of Wades Kings and Queens PF to put in there.

#5964 3 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Not even if I get 2000. Not talking about dollars either.

Okay you talked me into it. Here's 2005 dollars.

#5965 3 years ago
Quoted from boilerman:

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here is a before and after of one I did this weekend

I wish you lived closer to me!

#5966 3 years ago
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:

Congrats buddy!
I bought my first Bally too, a "4 Queens" Zipper Flipper game that I'm looking forward to restoring and playing.
Ken

My favorite of all time! Took me 18 years to find one!

#5967 3 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

My favorite of all time! Took me 18 years to find one!

Oh I didn't realize you had a 4 Queens as well. Now I am really interested in playing one. Ken has your's arrived yet?

#5968 3 years ago
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:

Oh I didn't realize you had a 4 Queens as well. Now I am really interested in playing one. Ken has your's arrived yet?

Tomorrow.

Not even sure if I will be here when it arrives as I have a doctors appointment, so the wife may be in charge of that but I have not even told her yet. Aren't surprises grand!

Doubt it it works 100% (none I get ever do or even close) and not sure when I have time to work on it get it or set up as I am in the middle of my friends Williams Touch Down restoration but hopefully will be done with that in a week or two then I'll take a look-see.

Patience Grasshopper Dan patience.

Ken

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#5969 3 years ago

Wisdom from Mr.Bally himself.

#5971 3 years ago

Very interesting article. I was fascinated by the 'wood from Wisconsin' comment. Can someone fill me in pls?

#5972 3 years ago
Quoted from wayner:

Very interesting article. I was fascinated by the 'wood from Wisconsin' comment. Can someone fill me in pls?

trees.....and steel from Michigan, lots of iron deposits http://www.miningartifacts.org/Michigan-Iron-Mines.html

#5973 3 years ago

We have more than cheese and beer and the Packers you know. Northern WI was/is a major lumber supplier.

#5974 3 years ago

Kind of depressing as looks like the end of an era beckons.

Hope he finds a way to move forward with a protege.

#5975 3 years ago

LOL at them calling OXO "Triple X"

A way worse story for pinball would be Steve Young retiring without a successor.

Interesting about the SS issues. SS will be lying around dead somewhere while EMs will play on and on...

#5976 3 years ago

I visited the PHOF dozens of times over the past two years. Tim looked like he was running out of patience... but he still had plans to build a second facility and double or even triple the footprint. But it seems unlikely now. Failing a successor, the games will likely be spread to the four winds via auctions and sales. He has far more in storage than the 200-ish on the floor. Far, far more.

(a thunderstorm of flapping vulture wings emerges...)

I hope he will find a successor and bring PHOF into a new age. Vegas needs pinball!

#5977 3 years ago
Quoted from NicoVolta:

I visited the PHOF dozens of times over the past two years. Tim looked like he was running out of patience... but he still had plans to build a second facility and double or even triple the footprint. But it seems unlikely now. Failing a successor, the games will likely be spread to the four winds via auctions and sales. He has far more in storage than the 200-ish on the floor. Far, far more.
(a thunderstorm of flapping vulture wings emerges...)
I hope he will find a successor and bring PHOF into a new age. Vegas needs pinball!

Seem to remember reading an article that he had around 1600 games?

#5978 3 years ago
Quoted from Shapeshifter:

Seem to remember reading an article that he had around 1600 games?

Thought I heard 'a thousand' one time...

That was some time ago though, seems like I also heard he has all (or nearly all) the Gottliebs. And who knows how many Bally or Williams games he has, pretty impressive... or depressive, depending on how you look at it.

#5979 3 years ago

Okay... so I see the title of the article says "1,000".

Guess I should have looked first. Duh!

But I 'did' hear the same number many moons ago.

Saw Tim at the recent Banning show here in Southern California, was good to see him.

I like Tim... he's helped me out on more than one occasion.

#5980 3 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

I wish you lived closer to me!

define close? you are closer than most.
all the pin guys i know are 1 hour plus from me. no one within the hour radius.
i am kind of on a pinball desert island....

#5981 3 years ago
Quoted from jrpinball:

I wish you lived closer to me!

I've made the 5 hour drive at least 3 or 4 times now. Always worth it to get cabinets redone/buy pins from Dave!

#5982 3 years ago

I'd venture to say he has way more than 1000 games, if the video of his warehouse means anything.

The problem is, how many of them are really in any shape to be played? We all know that EMs that are left to sit around for a long time develop a lot of problems, and even if you're the best tech in the world, which he just might be, you simply don't have the time to do anything close to fixing all of them as they should be fixed.

It's extremely doubtful that someone is going to step up to run the place, so he's going to be left with a crap ton of games and nowhere to go with them.

I guess it's cool to have every Gottlieb ever produced, but when you can't even come close to getting them in condition to be played, what's the point?

#5983 3 years ago
Quoted from EMsInKC:

LOL at them calling OXO "Triple X"

From the photo of Tim with machine in the article,
it does show the games as Triple X, must be one of his mods.

#5984 3 years ago

Last time we spoke about it, he told me "hundreds" were ready to go. Just needed a place to put them.

#5985 3 years ago
Quoted from pinwiztom:

From the photo of Tim with machine in the article,
it does show the games as Triple X, must be one of his mods.

Must be his own 2 player conversion? Keep in mind OXO is 4 player and that one is 2 player. Nothing comes up on Google for it, and there is no factory 2-player variant to OXO.

#5986 3 years ago
Quoted from Otaku:

Must be his own 2 player conversion? Keep in mind OXO is 4 player and that one is 2 player. Nothing comes up on Google for it, and there is no factory 2-player variant to OXO.

Wouldn't be difficult to limit the game to 2-player.

#5987 3 years ago
Quoted from EM-PINMAN:

Patience Grasshopper Dan patience.

You need to get those eyes checked out.

#5988 3 years ago
Quoted from Rat_Tomago:

You need to get those eyes checked out.

HA! Funny you mention that, 4/22/16 is my appointment.

#5989 3 years ago
Quoted from Otaku:

Must be his own 2 player conversion? Keep in mind OXO is 4 player and that one is 2 player. Nothing comes up on Google for it, and there is no factory 2-player variant to OXO.

Otaku, I think you're the man for the job!!!

#5990 3 years ago
Quoted from boilerman:

define close? you are closer than most.
all the pin guys i know are 1 hour plus from me. no one within the hour radius.
i am kind of on a pinball desert island....

I've actually been down your way a couple of times recently. Three hours or so each way.

#5991 3 years ago

So this should be in my mailbox this afternoon...I'm stoked to get started really cleaning this machine up. The only bad thing is that I have to quit playing it to clean it.
Has anyone used this cleaner/wax from patelrock? I'm thinking about using it but then actually applying a coat of carnuba afterwards.
I also need to do some more reading on leveling the inserts. I'm leaning toward leaving them alone though. It seems to add some character to play.

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#5992 3 years ago
Quoted from DaveBuckholts:

So this should be in my mailbox this afternoon...I'm stoked to get started really cleaning this machine up. The only bad thing is that I have to quit playing it to clean it.
Has anyone used this cleaner/wax from patelrock? I'm thinking about using it but then actually applying a coat of carnuba afterwards.
I also need to do some more reading on leveling the inserts. I'm leaning toward leaving them alone though. It seems to add some character to play.

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When I first got into the hobby I used it. It's not bad. It's a small bottle so longer-term you'll get something else. Tim Meighan (one of the best restorers in America, based here in Seattle) recommended that after de-populating the playfield I use a simple liquid polishing compound from Turtle Wax (can get at any auto parts store) to clean before waxing. It's gentle and really does a great job getting dirt off.

Opinions here on waxes are as plentiful as the folks who post here, but a good Blitz wax or other (currently I'm using Maguire's #26 and absolutely LOVE it).

Good luck!

#5993 3 years ago

This thread is a great place to start: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cleaning-and-waxing-pinball-machines-vids-guide

Knowing up front that there are many differing opinions about cleaning and waxing and everyone is passionate about "their" way. Good luck!

Quoted from DaveBuckholts:

So this should be in my mailbox this afternoon...I'm stoked to get started really cleaning this machine up. The only bad thing is that I have to quit playing it to clean it.
Has anyone used this cleaner/wax from patelrock? I'm thinking about using it but then actually applying a coat of carnuba afterwards.
I also need to do some more reading on leveling the inserts. I'm leaning toward leaving them alone though. It seems to add some character to play.

#5994 3 years ago

I use Naphtha for cleaning (first, of course) and Johnson's paste wax for waxing, and you can buy both locally at Home Depot. Works like an absolute charm and you can't mess anything up like using too much from what I've found. Napatha goes onto microfiber rags I use (make sure it's a clean nice rag, I bought brand new ones for the purpose and then wash them after) and not the playfield, and I spread the wax around on the playfield with my fingers.

#5995 3 years ago
Quoted from DaveBuckholts:

So this should be in my mailbox this afternoon...I'm stoked to get started really cleaning this machine up. The only bad thing is that I have to quit playing it to clean it.
Has anyone used this cleaner/wax from patelrock? I'm thinking about using it but then actually applying a coat of carnuba afterwards.
I also need to do some more reading on leveling the inserts. I'm leaning toward leaving them alone though. It seems to add some character to play.

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Looks like one of Pat's kits!
Love his stuff. He always includes the little nice-to-haves... including coin door decals

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#5996 3 years ago

Sooo, I posted that I'd bought Spot Bowler a couple of weeks ago.

After 2,857 miles, shes finally home.
Can't wait to dig into this project!

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#5997 3 years ago

Im buying a Jungle this Saturday. The guy says it works and in great shape. I'll post the pics when I get it home. He wascasking $700 for it but will take $550 for it. Im hoping its a fair price lol.

#5998 3 years ago
Quoted from Diamondbed96:

Im buying a Jungle this Saturday. The guy says it works and in great shape. I'll post the pics when I get it home. He wascasking $700 for it but will take $550 for it. Im hoping its a fair price lol.

Jungle is one of the most desirable games of the early 60s. Boston pinball price guide has an average of $750 up to $2150 paid for it, so I think you are doing OK if we are talking about the same machine.

#5999 3 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Jungle is one of the most desirable games of the early 60s. Boston pinball price guide has an average of $750 up to $2150 paid for it, so I think you are doing OK if we are talking about the same machine.

Did he specify if it's a Williams or a Gottlieb?
If it's the Gottlieb, meh!

#6000 3 years ago
Quoted from Drano:

Looks like one of Pat's kits!
Love his stuff. He always includes the little nice-to-haves... including coin door decals

It is one of his kits. Really nice and complete with the decal. I'm uncertain of using the cleaner/wax and then being able to apply a carnuba wax afterwards because the cleaner/wax contains petroleum distillates..??

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