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What are your favorite EM Manufacturers and why?


By PinballFever

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    #51 4 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    I may be in the minority, but at this point there are no more 70s 3 inch flipper games from any of them that I will be looking for.

    Exactly! Go 2 inch flippers or go home.

    #52 4 years ago

    Did they ever make one inch flippers?

    #53 4 years ago

    For two years on here I was a one player Gottlieb guy. I have burned through like 5 out of 6 Gottlieb one player games I have owned.

    I have owned Abracadabra,King Of Diamonds, Royal Guard, North Star, Central Park and Slick Chick (still own). I have also borrowed Atlantis and Kings and Queens.

    The only one that I would own again is Royal Guard. (just my honest opinion.) I don't think there are any Gottlieb single players 1963-1967 (17 of them) that I would own. I have played them all except Gigi. The only gottlieb single player that I have a mild interest in owning would be a 1969 Target Pool. All it took was being introduced to Surf Side and now Big Top to have some love for 2 player and 4 player Gottliebs. I have a 4 player Ship Mates in the restoration que. I think I am good on Gottlieb for a LONG while.

    Williams...I love Odin's "Big Daddy" and have some mild fondness for "Palooka" as well. I look forward to playing "Trade Winds", "Teacher's Pet" and "River Boat" I like 4 Roses and look forward to playing Heat Wave again.

    Bally...I am so eager to start collecting Bally zipper flipper games from 1966 Bazaar to 1973 Nip It. It is awesome to own a 72 Fireball again. My mouth drops open every time I enter my room and stare at Fireball. I am in love with it. There are times I am playing Fireball and I look at the clock and it is 3am and I should have been in bed at midnight or 1am. Amazing game!

    #54 4 years ago

    Gottlieb, but mainly because they were the EMs I played as a kid

    I do have a Williams Heat Wave, and I do find it to be a beautiful piece of equipment

    #55 4 years ago

    I could make space for more equipment.

    #56 4 years ago

    To me, the biggest fallacy is the argument that Gottliebs are the best made. I can possibly go along with the argument that they're the best designed, as far a game play goes, and even that at times isn't necessarily true, but the argument that they're the best made, I won't agree with that. I've owned equal amounts of Gottliebs and Williams, and my experience is that once they're tuned in, Williams games tend to stay that way. Gottliebs can be more finicky and need more attention to keep tuned in.

    I've only owned two Bally games, so the experience is limited, but the one I've owned for 44 years rarely needs much attention. It just keeps going. It was stored away and rarely played for probably 15 years, and when I finally set it up again, it fired right up and played like it was just played yesterday.

    #57 4 years ago

    Bally made some great EMs. Didn't a lot of people consider Fireball the greatest pinball ever, once upon a time?

    #58 4 years ago
    Quoted from JoeNewberry:

    Bally made some great EMs. Didn't a lot of people consider Fireball the greatest pinball ever, once upon a time?

    Once upon a time.

    #59 4 years ago

    Well, it has stuff on it that a lot of games didn't have. Multiball, the zipper flippers, and the spinning disc in the center. But on game play, to me, it's just an average game. It's fun, but I would never consider it the best EM ever made.

    #60 4 years ago

    As far as documentation and ease of work, I like Williams. Gottlieb is a close second in that department with Bally at a distant third. Chicago Coin is very well done too but I don't have any of their pins just a bowler and gun game.

    As far as design, artwork, fun, features, etc., Gottlieb all the way.

    #61 4 years ago
    Quoted from EMsInKC:

    Well, it has stuff on it that a lot of games didn't have. Multiball, the zipper flippers, and the spinning disc in the center. But on game play, to me, it's just an average game. It's fun, but I would never consider it the best EM ever made.

    I actually don't mind the game. And like the spinning disk, I think some either like it or hate it.

    Beautiful game... but it ain't no 4 Roses or Teachers Pet.

    #62 4 years ago
    Quoted from Pinballprowess:

    it ain't no 4 Roses or Teachers Pet.

    Not many are...

    #63 4 years ago
    Quoted from PinballFever:

    Which is your favorite EM manufacturer and why?

    Now I also like United Mfg. I just think their backglasses and games are cool. United Mfg. was in business from 1942 to 1962 and manufactured as many as 15 machines a year after the war ended.
    I wish I knew more about the company but there doesn't seem to be anything on the web. Maybe if I research local newspapers for Chicago online or maybe someone IN the area would know?

    If you're willing to dig, there's a fair amount of info on United in old Billboard magazines. Google has an archive of Billboards going back to 1942.

    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=united+manufacturing+pinball+1942#hl=en&tbm=bks&q=%22united+manufacturing%22+billboard+1942

    #64 4 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    I had a 76 Corona. 20R.

    Mine was much earlier; 1969. It had a 3RC motor in it with a two-speed Toyoglide automatic transmission. My brother took home our very first pin, a Gottlieb "Subway" in it. That was in 1977. He still has the game set up and playing. I think he put the head in the trunk, and the body fit across the back seat, but I think he had to remove the armrests on the rear doors so that they would close. I totalled that car against a guard rail about a year and a half later. Got a Toyota Corolla "Sprinter" (1600cc 2KC motor) for $75 to replace it. That one had a 4 speed stick. Totalled that one too against a guard rail on black ice. Wasn't hurt at all in either wreck.
    My ex brother-in-law had the first Toyota I'd ever seen. He bought it brand new in 1966. It was a Corona, but with a manual column shift transmission. It was one of the first Toyotas here on the east coast.

    #65 4 years ago

    After being a mechanic most of my life I have a lot of respect for Toyota. I understood the buy American sentiment, but in the 80s that was not helping those that bought them. While Detroit was making some of the biggest turds the auto industry had ever seen, Toyota was honing their craft making cars that could go for hundreds of thousands of miles without any major repair. That being said I now only have one vehicle. A 2001 Tacoma Pre-Runner with 170,000 miles on it. I want it to be the last vehicle I ever buy. Like the guy on TV said.. "I really love it!"

    #66 4 years ago

    "Once I got ran over by a Toyota and Oh what a feeling!"

    #67 4 years ago

    Do you remember the ad where they raced a Toyota Corona against the "Green Monster" driven by Art Arfons? It's the earliest Toyota ad I recall. Way before "you asked for it, you got it... Toyota"! BTW, the Corona won because it took a little while for the jet engine of the "Green Monster" to get revved up, but once it did, it took off like a rocket but finished a foot or two behind the Corona in the quarter mile!
    A gag, of course!

    #68 4 years ago
    Quoted from Rat_Tomago:

    "Once I got ran over by a Toyota and Oh what a feeling!"

    Yeah, that was from "Kentucky Fried Movie".

    #69 4 years ago

    That 76 Corona was a great car! It was a lovely shade of green. With the 20R and rear wheel drive it was solid front to back. I drove that thing everywhere. When I bought my only brand new vehicle ever, a 1986 4x4 extra cab, I sold it to my roommate at the time. He mounted a rubber alligator on the hood and drove it until the wheels fell off (but they never really did).

    #70 4 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    After being a mechanic most of my life I have a lot of respect for Toyota. I understood the buy American sentiment, but in the 80s that was not helping those that bought them. While Detroit was making some of the biggest turds the auto industry had ever seen, Toyota was honing their craft making cars that could go for hundreds of thousands of miles without any major repair. That being said I now only have one vehicle. A 2001 Tacoma Pre-Runner with 170,000 miles on it. I want it to be the last vehicle I ever buy. Like the guy on TV said.. "I really love it!"

    My 1993 4x4 Toyota pickup just turned 275,000. Just regular maintenance done is all. Bought it new.

    In the 1980's Detroit was selling some vehicles W/O spare tire, just gave you a rim. Had a 1983 Toyota 4x4 then, it came with a full size spare, on a chrome rim & white letter tire to match what was on the truck. Toyota's are the EM Gottliebs of the automotive world.

    #71 4 years ago
    Quoted from dasvis:

    Toyota's are the EM Gottliebs of the automotive world.

    I use my Gottlieb truck to go pick up Williams games.

    #72 4 years ago

    I also had a "Starlet", and an '89 Camry with a V6 and 5 speed stick. There weren't many with that combination. Loved all those cars. Toyotas were always great to me. That Starlet got about 40 mpg and got like 80,000 miles on a set of tires because it was so light. It ran like a top, and had about 250,000 miles on it when I wrecked the tranny spinning the wheels in reverse on a rain slicked hill. The Camry was a great runner too. The motor was still running great, but the car just got too rusted out, then I smashed the left rear quarter against the massive chrome bumper of a Dodge pickup while backing out of a parking space in a big hurry. I wasn't very good to my Toyotas!

    #73 4 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    I use my Gottlieb truck to go pick up Williams games.

    At least you know you will always make it home.

    #74 4 years ago
    Quoted from jonnyo:

    If you're willing to dig, there's a fair amount of info on United in old Billboard magazines. Google has an archive of Billboards going back to 1942.

    Thanks, searching old Billboard magazines online is a good idea. Will try it.

    #75 4 years ago
    Quoted from jrpinball:

    Yeah, that was from "Kentucky Fried Movie".

    Nope....That was from a bad movie called "They Call Me Bruce" 1981ish maybe 1982. It was a bad Bruce Lee parody movie that was played on HBO constantly.

    #76 4 years ago

    No doubt a Toyota will get you home.

    Assuming, of course, you don't fall asleep from the sheer boredom of driving it and run off the road...

    #77 4 years ago
    Quoted from dasvis:

    At least you know you will always make it home.

    I just did make it home! To find out STI came today while I was at work to deliver a machine that I scheduled delivery for tomorrow morning. The driver left a message and his phone# that I could not understand. What else can these people screw up? You know it won't be on tomorrow's truck...

    #78 4 years ago

    Since we are talking about vehicles...I had a 1997 Toyota Tacoma V6 with 134k miles until someone ran a red light on me and T-boned me. My hips and back still hurt 2 years later. I did however get a 65 inch TV and 3 Gottlieb pinball machines out of it.

    #79 4 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    I just did make it home! To find out STI came today while I was at work to deliver a machine that I scheduled delivery for tomorrow morning. The driver left a message and his phone# that I could not understand. What else can these people screw up? You know it won't be on tomorrow's truck...

    Call STI's main 800 number! They ALWAYS have someone to answer 24/7. They will make notes and contact the Orange County hub and straighten things out.

    #80 4 years ago
    Quoted from Rat_Tomago:

    Call STI's main 800 number!

    Well, what is it?

    #81 4 years ago

    Interesting car comparisons...keep them coming!

    What are your favorite EM manufacturers of other arcade games? Gun games? Cranes? Basketball games? (it doesn't have to be just pinballs)

    #82 4 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    Well, what is it?

    800-443-0940

    #83 4 years ago

    No good! All they would do is give me the # I already called and got the same recording. These guys are getting irritating.

    #84 4 years ago

    Set your alarm for like 6 maybe 7am and call the Orange County #...worst case scenario is you drive the 10-15 miles to go pick it up...I would if they give you any BS.

    #85 4 years ago

    I have found a solution to irritating delivery people that lose legs, bend precious lockdown bars and the legs that do come, take chunks out of fragile 60 year old particle board cabinets and then show up on the wrong day.

    #86 4 years ago

    I should just post the pictures of you holding the liquor bottle at the liquor store from last year.

    #87 4 years ago
    Quoted from Rat_Tomago:

    Set your alarm for like 6 maybe 7am

    Screw that! It's my day off..

    #89 4 years ago

    Funny though, except for the fact that it just gives them more opportunities to screw it up by loading it and unloading it again, it really doesn't bother me that much. It's not like i haven't gotten any more machines lately.

    Yeah, it could be a lot worse. Like those guys over in DMD land with slingshots tomahawking the clearcoat and playfield on their $8000 remakes and no response from those that took their money.

    #90 4 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    Funny though, except for the fact that it just gives them more opportunities to screw it up by loading it and unloading it again, it really doesn't bother me that much. It's not like i haven't gotten any more machines lately.
    Yeah, it could be a lot worse. Like those guys over in DMD land with slingshots tomahawking the clearcoat and playfield on their $8000 remakes and no response from those that took their money.

    I read that thread. That was freaking amazing. First of all, I'd be single if I even considered paying that kind of money for a pinball machine.

    Second, that has the fine hand of PPS in it, and if you think back to the fiasco with the Pinball Rescue guys, is it at all surprising? PPS promises a lot (we're going to remake EM parts!!!). Yeah, right pal. Pull this leg and it plays Jingle Bells.

    #91 4 years ago

    Let's see them weasel out of this one..

    Like I said Serenade gets here when it gets here. Just like the 3:10 To Yuma.

    #92 4 years ago

    Since I own quite a few of these things, I figured I'd chime in. Also, I don't put gameplay at the top of my list when buying games. I prefer great themes (especially sci-fi) and unusual features and rarity in games.

    Here are my favorites from the flipper EM era (made in USA):

    1947-48: Gottlieb
    1949-51 Chicago Coin & Genco
    1952-62 Williams
    1963-73 Bally (love the art and themes, Capersville, Wiggler, Fireball, 4 Million B.C., etc)
    1974-79 Gottlieb

    Gottlieb would be first or second in just about every era for quaility and gameplay.

    1950-1960 Williams are my favorites due to the unusual nature of the games. Many people today don't realize how many features first appeared in these games only to not be seen for many years into the future. They didn't always work out (some were just downright awful!) but they weren't afraid to try something new. So a 10 for originality.

    United, Exhibit and Keeney didn't show much originality during their runs. United didn't like flipper games and resisted them for a long time. Even then, they didn't really use flippers.
    For whatever reason...Bally only build 3 flipper machines between 1948 and 1963. They focused on other games.
    Chicago Coin had it's moments and tried a few things (Big Flipper, Casino, Hi-Score Pool and invented the up and down post between the flippers but then just sort of faded away until they filed for bankruptcy and Stern bought out the pinball assets.
    Midway never really built pinballs..just a couple.
    ....and lastly Marvel Manufacturing whom I mention because as a woodrail collector, they are one of the nine american companies that built them...built about a half dozen flipper games over the course of a year...nothing too special here.

    #93 4 years ago
    Quoted from jcg9998:

    1950-1960 Williams are my favorites due to the unusual nature of the games. Many people today don't realize how many features first appeared in these games only to not be seen for many years into the future.

    I am learning this and have some great examples already. Some don't necessarily have the fit and finish of the Gottliebs of that era, but many have beautiful artwork and are a lot of fun to play. Which is what I most look for. But they can be scarce and hard to come by. Which is why I am grabbing them when I can. It is also hard to ever think about letting them go as you may never see another. That Pinky I picked up last week is a great example of this. As is the Rocket.

    #94 4 years ago
    Quoted from jcg9998:

    Since I own quite a few of these things, I figured I'd chime in. Also, I don't put gameplay at the top of my list when buying games. I prefer great themes (especially sci-fi) and unusual features and rarity in games.
    Here are my favorites from the flipper EM era (made in USA):
    1947-48: Gottlieb
    1949-51 Chicago Coin & Genco
    1952-62 Williams
    1963-73 Bally (love the art and themes, Capersville, Wiggler, Fireball, 4 Million B.C., etc)
    1974-79 Gottlieb
    Gottlieb would be first or second in just about every era for quaility and gameplay.
    1950-1960 Williams are my favorites due to the unusual nature of the games. Many people today don't realize how many features first appeared in these games only to not be seen for many years into the future. They didn't always work out (some were just downright awful!) but they weren't afraid to try something new. So a 10 for originality.
    United, Exhibit and Keeney didn't show much originality during their runs. United didn't like flipper games and resisted them for a long time. Even then, they didn't really use flippers.
    For whatever reason...Bally only build 3 flipper machines between 1948 and 1963. They focused on other games.
    Chicago Coin had it's moments and tried a few things (Big Flipper, Casino, Hi-Score Pool and invented the up and down post between the flippers but then just sort of faded away until they filed for bankruptcy and Stern bought out the pinball assets.
    Midway never really built pinballs..just a couple.
    ....and lastly Marvel Manufacturing whom I mention because as a woodrail collector, they are one of the nine american companies that built them...built about a half dozen flipper games over the course of a year...nothing too special here.

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    #95 4 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    I have found a solution to irritating delivery people that lose legs, bend precious lockdown bars and the legs that do come, take chunks out of fragile 60 year old particle board cabinets and then show up on the wrong day.

    I hate days like that too........ maybe we can help each other o-din................or maybe not.....................

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    #96 4 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    Serenade gets here when it gets here. Just like the 3:10 To Yuma.

    #97 4 years ago

    About to join you guys.

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    #98 4 years ago

    Something to help with drowning your sorrow over delivery mishaps...

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    Btw is "Bo Bo" the only pinball machine with a shelf for your drinks? I vaguely remember seeing this before.

    #99 4 years ago
    Quoted from pinwiztom:

    maybe CCoin = Yugo??
    AMC = Keeney

    Chicago Coin has long been considered the red-headed stepchild of pinball. However, I have always thought that CCM made some good games, including the enigmatic 1951 THING, which featured a first-rate Roy Parker art package.
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    #100 4 years ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    find out STI came today while I was at work to deliver a machine that I scheduled delivery for tomorrow morning

    That happened to me a couple of times, years ago when i was still buying and shipping games,
    though overall i came out pretty lucky in most of the shipments that i received using STI/NAVL.
    Must have shipped over 70-80 pins in a span of 10-15 yrs, with only one major mishap.
    A Broken BG.
    with only a few minor issues (i.e broken PF glass and a few bent legs)

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