I kind of feel the same way about directors cut, Gappa is definitely the peak excitement from what I’ve seen so far.

Gappa is the best mode in all of pinball!! Really gets me into the moment. Monster zero is close on GZ , but just not the same.

Lyman only really roughed it in. There's tons planned but not implemented in this game. Just a crap deal all around with him no longer being with us.

I love Gappa Angry. It's awesome! But my favorite mode in the game is actually They Came From Space!

Thankfully it seems like everything else in the game is great leading up to it.

Agreed. EHoH is such a cool game partly for that reason, that it shines despite having room for plenty more. I really wanted a Beast Booster mode, where you could rip the spinner to steadily build power for a special weapon to use to defeat any single deadhead or creature mode. Something like that. Kinda like charging the electrodes or whatever in Munsters (I don’t know that game well). I’m not sure how Lyman having moved over to CGC would have affected EHoH. But I’m still hoping they issue a final update with some additional code. But either way, Lyman gave us pinheads a lot to be thankful for.

I wish Stern had put some resources on finishing up/balancing a few things in the game. But, Insider Connected got in the way.......

Rob

You can rip the spinner at the end of Teenagers from Outerspace to crank up the jackpot.

What balancing do you think the game needs?

I find it to be one of the most balanced games Stern has put out recently, but maybe I'm missing something.

I've ran out of patience waiting on my machine. I've listed Medisinyl set with a 3-D roof in the marketplace. Looking for a topper trade with cash added on my end.
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/147182

Maybe make house party the mini after 2 rooms and Gappa can’t qualify without 4 rooms entered to space out the regular modes better.

The deadhead crypt could use some love in the code IMO. Its a neat bash toy but there isn't a lot going on there. Qualifying a deadhead frenzy mode or some other kind of min-wizard mode there would be nice. Otherwise there just aren't many points there for a somewhat dangerous shot... just the extra ball at two completed heads.

backhand all day, it's not dangerous that way!

The outlane ball save after each dead head completion and extra ball after completing two are quite good rewards IMO as I don't find the shot to be very risky.

You can also use the crypt to help with your left target completion too as it gives you a little ball save. This helps work towards multiballs and playfield multipliers.

I don't think there's really any reward for beating them all, is there? The heads could still be a bit less intrusive during certain video sequences.

Rob

Nothing outside of the previously mentioned awards. It is required to sell the house though. So late game it does have some kind of value.

Selling my EHOH NECA box. Bought it with the idea of using the Elvira figure in my Scared Stiff, but decided it really doesn't fit. I opened the box to take a peek, but nothing was ever removed. Shirt size is XL. Asking $65.00 shipped (PayPal F&F).

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What do people think the odds are of them building more in Feb?

Do people believe it will happen?

I knew back in June it was moved to Q1 '23, but Todd Tuckey said in one of his videos in Oct/Nov that the rumor was Stern wouldn't be able to build any more "for a long time". A long time to me is a year, and Todd is a really great and honest guy. Four months isn't a long time when Stern maybe builds something once a year (maybe)..... so when we lost the scheduled Nov '22 run, "a long time" from then is Q4 '23.

I'm gonna guess and say if Bond sells well, EHOH is bumped to Q4. If Bond sells poorly (and that could very well happen) then there's a small spot for EHOH. I wonder if it will be a "last call" run?

It will almost certainly be last call even if not officially called that. I hope it will happen - there are some with orders in since January 2021 - it’s kind of ridiculous that people are waiting so long.

I also wonder if they're bothering to do it soon since Scooby will take away orders for a fun goofy horror'ish theme.
They would be right..... it will.

Scooby's a bigger name, a newer game, and for less money..... maybe Stern should have built our games in May or Nov like was on the schedule last year.

It is a little bit of a nasty taste that the 1st game to be made AFTER Bond pricing hits is EHOH. What a crummy thing to do to us. I was hoping a couple other catalog titles would hit 1st and crash and burn at the new rates before our game hit the line again.

To be honest, I don't think Bond will sell that well. In markets like here in Canada, the LE is almost $20k and usual LE buyers have passed on this one.

My guess is that EHOH will have its last run, otherwise it would have been retired already. If Stern has some/most/all of the parts to build it, then it's just a matter of when. If they don't have parts, well maybe it doesn't happen after all. Shrugs..

Rob

I agree.... I don't think Bond is going to meet expectations at all.
Truth is, it's too dated. It has a lot of fans, but not of the right demo (IMO). Connery Bond is 60's with a tiny bit of 70's.... that's going to be before a lot of people were born. You've gotta be 51 just to be alive when one came out. Too old a theme, and too focused an audience.
I was at Universal a couple months back and was noticing how old the people were in Harry Potter land...... it was shocking. Not kids, mostly 30's and older.

Woz seemed to have worked as a theme, and it’s a childish theme from 80 years ago. Bond movies from that era are timeless, I don’t think it matters if you were born when they came out. The game is very good, tons of flow, good assets and even though it’s early code, you can see the rules are good.

If Bond shoots well or it is fun to play, the theme will become secondary for me.

I have about as much connection to Bond as a theme as I do with most titles these days, it's mainly all about the game play and code for me.

Since when does a game based on an older decade matter? Who are these people who snub their nose at anything that isn't from their generation and only buy newer titles? Led Zeppelin,Rush,Munsters, Halloween,Scooby Doo,and Beatles have come out the past 5 years and did fine. So are they just suppose to make Stranger Things forever, because I will tell you, there hasn't been jack movies or music bands made in 11 years worth making a pin about that would stand the test of time.

Got my topper NIB last evening and installed it. Doesn't seem to do anything other than light up. The eyes flash red during dead head but it does absolutely nothing during the rest of the game. She hasn't screamed once and it hasn't opened. I'm on 1.04 code. Any thoughts?

I am happy to report The new Metallica album is OUTSTANDING

I was telling that to people over the weekend who obsessed with having a license. I've never heard of Deadpool the comic or watched the movie but it makes me laugh and is awesome. All the Williams that CGC is remaking.
I played Bond this weekend, I am a huge fan and for me it was the theme I didn't like. I'm sure it will be coded more but they barely show him in the clips,little cas ll outs and the theme over and over. If they don't put all those great theme songs in it is a dud.

Good to know because they haven't had a good album since ...and justice for all.

Have you started House Party?
Have you collected a super jackpot during a garage multiball?

Those are two occasions when the topper should activate.

There are settings in the game adjustments to adjust how often and when it comes on. I would double check those. There are also tests in the diagnostics menu so you can check that it's working via those.

You guy realize these are all very different things.......
WOZ is a musical, and historically significant: The most watched movie in history, with one of the most recognizable songs in history, sung by one of the most known voices in history. Ask 100 people if they know the chorus of Somewhere Over the Rainbow.... they'll all get it. Ask the same 100 people to match up the Bond movies with the villain of those Bond movies, and who played Bond in that movie. How many could get just two right?

Munsters is syndicated, and watched every afternoon for generations (even that didn't save it - Stern canceled it's azz fast. It's a 2019 title: They should still be making it).
Do people watch a Bond movie everyday? Reruns matter (that's why Scooby is going to do well).

Music itself is a permanent rerun on steroids: radio, satellite, streaming, cd's, tapes, records...... over and over for decades, rebooted in whatever new format, consumed in small amounts, with little cost or time investment but with good instant enjoyment. Often times it isn't the music, it's the associated memories and feeling you recall with particular music. That's why music is timeless.

Age does matter: To me, Brosnan is Bond. I despise Craig, never watched a single Craig Bond (and fully admit Goldeneye was the only good Brosnan Bond movie). Does Connery, Dalton or Moore matter? Absolutely, they came before..... they are someone else's Bond, just like Craig is younger people's Bond. They are all correct, but only one is "your" Bond.
Big fan base, and one which is inherently fragmented. Who does Connery appeal to most? Boomers. 60+'s which is a good segment for people with money being thrown around. Is this group going to be buying games in 20 years? No, they're going to be dead or about to croak. So is this a good send-off for a pinball generation? Yup, absolutely, and I hope they love it. It's time to cater to Gen-X and Millennials now. They are the current and future buyers of games.

Put into perspective with this thread..... Elvira....... she's retiring (actually already retired)..... she spans 40+ years of young boys oogling her boobs. That's Boomers, Gen-X and Millennial boys/men. For some she's the spokeswoman for Coor's "Silver Bullet", for some she's the Mistress of the Dark star, for the oldest she's the host of that TV show with horrible B-Movies, and for the youngest fans she's a Knott's Scary Farm showgirl. What ties it all together is her: she is the only Elvira (unlike Bond). Therefore she gets every fan from every segment for herself. No fragmentation except which "Version" of Elvira is "yours". I prefer the 80's Mistress of the Dark Elvira myself..... it was the funniest, and had the most boobage. To each their own.

Bond may be a bigger license, but too broad. Elvira is focused and specific (just like WOZ, Music, Etc.). It'd be like making a Dr. Who pinball..... which doctor is going to be featured? Which era? Too broad.

My opinion only of course.

Easy on us boomers dying or croaking ok? You millennials crack me up

HA!!!

I'm not a millennial

I know everyone thinks they will live forever..... I've seen a lot of death the last couple of years. Boomer and Gen-X.
Realistically it will only increase as time goes on.
You see Cristy Ally passed away today? She was only 71.

Touchy subject, I understand.

I'm just Flippin you sh#t . I'm only 62, have at least another 30 years in me. But, older themes have and will continue to outsell new ones. It's hard to name a band or movie from today that will still be relevant 50 yrs from now. But, stern makes me a Hendrix pin, they can make all the hip hop/ rap pins they want. And I won't say a word

I agree with you, and I think it's because there are no "superstars" like there were when we were growing up. There's too much media now. Too much fragmentation and overload for anyone's sustained attention.
People are too busy, and too distracted. Everything is instant, nothing anticipated or saved for. Hmmmmm, maybe that's why I like pinball (in part). One of the few things you still have to wait for. How funny.

If there was a way to get the Elvira: HoH layout and rules with a well done Scooby theme that would be an instant buy for me.

My wife and were at Pincinatti last weekend, and we were able to play Bond extensively. Both the pro and premium. My honest takeaway? Pro is a snoozefest. Premium is semi fun due to the extra wireforms and mechs. I found none of the shots to be fun or satisfying with the exception of the top left corner shot that feeds all the way around the back, and down to the left flipper. I realize the code is in its infancy, but code can't fix unsatisfying shots. All that to get to my point which is... I don't think Bond is going to be a big hit, and I was told by a distributor that Stern confirmed another run of EHOH in March. Im on a wait list and thats just what I was told.

I haven’t been to Universal since Harry Potter land opened. I moved to FL in 2005 with my wife (then gf) when I was 31. She was early 20s. We lived in Bonita Springs, about 2.5 or 3 hours from Orlando, but we must have visited there 5 or more times in 3 years. Every few months we went back. My parents took us to Disneyworld when I was 9, and I enjoyed it, but I had more fun at Universal and MGM in my early 30s for sure. I just appreciated everything more and recognized all the themes, like The Mummy and Men in Black. We had a blast there 10+ years before we had kids!

I find it to be the opposite, to each his own. It's got great flow, some unique shots and a good albeit nascent rule set. Good assets so far from what I've seen and im sure more to come. It reminds me a bit of Deadpool, which isn't surprising given the designer.

Yes, done all that with nothing. Will check diagnostics menu when I get home.

Make sure you've enabled it in your adjustments. The easiest way I've found to trigger it is to start the Wild Women Multiball and allow the full video to play. It triggers at the end of the clip.

The only thing I saw in adjustments was a timeout between screams, and percentage for screams. Didn’t see a way to turn it off or on. Did I miss something?

I thought there was also a setting to have it go off at the start of each multiball?

I had a Elvira HOH LE sold it the mini movie clips got lame and boring and also slowed the game flow down.
FYI..

How many runs did this game even get? It's odd how despite the low run, you see far more 40th versions constantly on the market. Wanted one for a long time but could never find one for sale or at a none stupidly inflated price from the seller. Did EHOH sell poorly? Feels like Stern just completely ignored it

That is bound to happen anytime the game takes the ball and does something else. The important thing is that you can skip them.

Things like feeding the TRex in JP and the building mech for the Godzilla Multiball I find rather frustrating because you're just forced to sit there to watch the same thing you've seen 100 times before.

I believe it initially sold poorly. Players weren't too thrilled by the layout being as it's essentially a Medieval Madness style fan layout. It released just before the pandemic, so people weren't able to go and try it themselves. The demand for new games was certainly lower in 2019 versus now. And for collectors, it is a more niche theme. The code was somewhat bare when it first came out and Stern has said that the game is difficult to manufacture and surprising expensive to make.

Plus, there was a lot of competition in 2019. Jurassic Park, MMr Royal Edition, Stranger Things, Munsters, Black Knight SoR, and Willy Wonka all released that year. Along with the Comic book run of Star Wars.

Stern has a backlog of easier to produce games with higher profit margins, hence, EHoH keeps getting pushed.

Yep, just double flip to skip what you don't want to see. Works on pretty much everything in Elvira. Works on JP T-Rex modes also (after a couple seconds you can double flip to cut them short). There's no way to skip to make the GZ building go down faster though.

You can skip most events, but not the feed trex event. Unless they've changed it in the last code update. I believe I'm still running 1.05.