Quoted from Bencollins:

I’ve been trolling this site for years. At least 7 or 8. I’ve always wanted a pinball machine. I finally said screw it im getting one. So I got Batman 66 2 months back nib. Great game. Love it. Games are expensive. I just wanted some feed back about a game that’s got 2800 plays. Like what kinda mechanical problems are prone to that title. Some people who post on here are just ridiculous. Why even post “this looks lame” or what ever you people post. I’ve kept my mouth shut on this site for years. Tonight was the first time I ever posted anything. And I probably won’t say anything for another few years. Learn when to shut up!!! And let other people have fun.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

I hear ya there. Stern offers near instant gratification with how fast they can ship games. At these prices though I've become much more selective with buying NIB games. Elvira looks cool but considering the price of the LE I rather wait until next year when JJP releases Toy Story.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Did you see the posts I made in this thread and others praising the game and that I'm interested buying an Elivra premium? Guess not. I also own a Ghostbusters premium that I bought new, and have purchased several other Sterns NIB in the past. If you can't stand any criticism towards Stern I suggest you go to club threads. This is a general game thread where critical comments can freely be posted. I've also been critical of JJP many times in multiple threads.
You come across as Pinsides new #1 Stern fanboy. Any criticism against them and here you come to their aid. It's been old. You may want to stick to club threads where critical comments that get you so fired up won't be posted. In this thread its perfectly fine to discuss both pros and cons of the game.

Quoted from iceman44:

Guys, I gotta say, i have a new pinball machine and its been in my house for 3 years.
The GB code update created an entirely new pinball machine.
Should we thank Dwight and Stern after 3 years? I have no idea but the game now is so great. I've been playing it all night.
Munsters can be updated?
Gotta give credit where credit is due. Despite all the negative BS, some of which is warranted, Stern pinball still creates some amazing pinball.

Quoted from PinMonk:

Toy Story is happening, but with Pat doing it, the bigger concern should be that his design innovation is clearly running on empty. Wonka was a total zero for design innovation, which was ironic for a THEME about imagination. I love Toy Story, but I'm really concerned about another cookie-cutter plug-in-the-features-from-past-hits-and-call-it-good Lawlor game. I know Jack is just happy to have snagged him, but he really needs to challenge him to kick it up a notch instead of retreating to the safety of prior design features.
But that's it for Toy Story. I know this is an Elvira thread...

Quoted from Lermods:

I wouldn’t say no innovation on ww. The wonkavision, the spinning gobstopper, the lighted wonka sign, which is interactive, and a screen that gives a ton of info. Elvira at the premium, le and sle levels has what? A spinning turret? jjp did better with the house in woz where the witches feet come out.
Stern should have put a better crate in this game (and jjp should have put a better factory) and they should have put something that holds the flashers, like the claws in SS. I have an Elvira premium on order, but after seeing the stream, even I’m having second thoughts. I’ll reserve judgement and a decision whether to cancel after seeing it at expo. With the exception of Munsters, stern has had a very good run with dp, maiden and jp, this one I’m just not sure about. Code can save a game, if happened with hobbit and bm66, both of which are pretty bare, but it took years to get there.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

What are the good amount of interactive toys then in Elvira by your definition? The up / down ramp doesn't count then, nor the spinning top on the house, heck not even the bash target. So what's left, gargoyles? Those shouldn't count either then as the ball only hits stationary targets in front of them. Guess theres no interactive toys? Lol.
What you are failing to realize is even items that don't directly interact with the ball add to a games world under glass. Many of those items still light up, move, interact with game modes, and are critical to making a game fun. Even non moving items such as detailed 3D molds are critical to a games world under glass. Adding a bunch of cheesy 3D printed mods or gaudy action figures isn't the same thing. 3D printed mods and action figures don't interact with game code either. Please let me know when you can replicate the detail of the Wonka Vision toy, and all of the code integration it has with the camera and game.

Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

There’s a freaking flipper on the spinning house in Woz, and you loop the ball around the house. Doesn’t get much more interactive than that.
Not to mention the other upper playfield with full sized flipper and knock open doors + loop. And a bashable witch that moves up and down. And a crystal ball with video.
Have you ever even seen a Woz? Or a Dialed In? How about video in line drop targets, among other things? Not just interactive but innovation.
Stern makes fine, fun games. But stay in your depth. They can’t touch JJP for innovation.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Yes, you hijacked the thread with your bizarre passive aggressive behavior due to not being able to handle any criticism against Stern. This is a general game thread. Comparisons between other games and companies will be normal. Elvira LE is nearly $10k, yes $10k, so at that high price again comparisons between other similarly priced games is normal. To not question anything regarding features, toys, quality, etc for the price isn't the way this works. The same thing happens in general game threads for games made by other companies.
Questioning any of the items above doesn't mean that a game sucks. Many of us agree today's NIB games look like fun but also question what we are getting for that price. A critical discussion about that topic is not only normal but also warranted. If you don't like that type of discussion I recommend sticking with club threads.

Quoted from iceman44:

Since this isn’t the owners thread here and it’s more like the haters thread I gotta comment on Kman’s podcast about Elvira.
I listened to it while riding the bike and nearly fell off lmao at some of the ridiculous comments made
First of all happy bday and congrats on getting over 400 podcasts in. I remember talking to you about you thinking about doing one years ago. Keep it up
People gotta realize that love it or hate it the podcast is entertaining AND as such it caters to more of the hater, rage against the machine, whiner crowd.
That is why primarily Chris will win the Twipy again. Most people love to listen to negative entertaining BS. Look at the news today!
Have you ever heard Chris rail on a game he owns? Well it’s just one and it’s BM66. I own it too
He doesn’t like the Elvira theme, doesn’t get it, and despite being a “marketing guy” can’t figure out how the F Stern is able to sell out these games so fast.
It must be the myopic viewpoint that we are all suckers like he said and stupid for spending that kind of $$ on the game.
MANY of us believe Elvira will be BETTER than BM66 and it just an opinion based on PAST RESULTS and the fact that yes Lyman is a pinball god.
Can you just hear the crowd of 2500 cheering and screaming for Kman as he rails against the stupid 450 suckers for buying the game. LOL
Connect with hate man!
As for Elvira i paid $600 more than I did for my previous LE. So what? It’s in higher demand
The idea that Chris keeps throwing out there about how the community has to band together and demand more for the $$$ or Stern will never give it to us is STUPID on its face
Aside from acknowledging what’s coming in 2020 I’m quite sure that Stern wants to COMPETE, make money and stay in business for the long haul
Right now they are crushing it and will continue to crush it!
It’s NOT based on some unrealistic “give me the magic” BS like Chris blew a nut over when he saw Wonka the first time.
Is that the “magic” Chris? LOL
Message to Stern, keep making FUN games, with great artwork, theme and fantastic integration and people like myself will keep buying and the HATE crowd will just be left wondering why and whining about it here and on his podcast.
Sorry buddy, gotta call you out on this one.
As to price and value to people, don’t ever forget it all very relative and subjective.
I look forward to our conversation when I receive these games and get a chance to dig in.
One last thought for all of you, think about Apple and why millions of people are upgrading their phones and the stock is about to hit an time high.
I can buy a much cheaper older version on the secondary market? Get it? Very few people want a restored TOM or TOTAN for the same $$$$

Quoted from iceman44:

While so much of pinball is subjective and personal opinion, there is one glaring OBJECTIVE FACT.
And that is that Stern sold out almost instantly 450 Elviras
The BM66 outrage was like an all out war against Stern by comparison on pricing and how they did it. Yet, BM66 is one pin that has held its value as well as any. Just a small minor factor but true
I didn’t see the need to get the SE for me, but I did on the LE and thrilled with my decision after watching the stream.
Because we know what’s coming down the road, another objective FACT

Quoted from iceman44:

No doubt about the topper and the fact that there are 240 LEs versus 400
I wouldn’t expect Elvira to hold value as well except, she has a worldwide appeal and the campiness and B movieS with her call outs and intros will make it awesome
The Adam West card is cool, so is the topper, but Elvira herself in the game is another level
To make fun of the B movies and not recognize the same corny flavor of Batman and Munsters is ridiculous