Hi,
Joined this club last Saturday. I have wanted an EBD for a while ,but ,could not find what I was looking for. Talked with a great guy in South Jersey about doing a full hi end restore ,but then spent my intended funds / last space else where (Star Trek Prem VE). This game shows up as a project close by home. With the lock in , I needed something to help spend the time and took a plunge. I have only owned one SS game ( a FG) that needed some minimal trouble shooting and I have never really bought a "project" before ,so, I will need some help. This is a very active club, as I have seen, so all comments/ hints appreciated. Pics will follow. This is my plan/assessment since Saturday.
The game is in pretty good cosmetic condition for a project. I have ordered the cosmetics which I will put on last. So far ordered : new play field plastics, new bumper caps, new drop targets and springs, new posts and new white rubber ( tho as I have been changing bulbs putting on new rubber here and there so that when the time comes can play test the game). The pics will speak for themselves on the cosmetics.
Like I said, bought the game as a project. Prior to purchase, figured,I would have to replace all the boards/displays (except the Squawk/talk I would send for repair). So, where that is not the case , I see up side. Also figured there would be money spent under the play field ( on coils, parts, caps, diods,etc.). All this plus what I saw for the play field plastics.
I have limited skills here so this definitely is a learning experience f. Anyway, my assessment so far:
Power Supply: Bought a replacement rectifier board sight unseen. Figured 40 year old power rectifier board with a bridge relocated to the metal transformer support plate was a good investment . Good news, the existing power supply seems to be working fine as I have been taking measurements during my assessment No found blown fuses ,but, I will have to check fuse ratings (just thought of this as I write). Good enough to get me going so to speak.
MPU: Looks in real good shape. Did not boot right away. Reseated a couple of chips and then it booted up fine or at least I get the seven flashes. No problems booting since that time. Looks like a keeper. Up side already . If I try to play a game, you can see points registering. so switch inputs work.
Displays: Four of the five displays look great right off the bat after the initial boot up. The lower right display at first looked dim but all the numbers worked. Subsequently, after plugging/unpluging connectors, the dim display went bright. After more plugging/unplugging is dim right now. Must be a connection issue. So far looks like keepers. More upside !
Main light board: Looks like original. No visual problems. Light problems so far: About two thirds of the play field lights work. The balance of the non working play field lights look to have no power ( tho a couple may be burnt bulbs). Two rows of four GI lights , underneath the large plastic/clear pieces at the top of the play field will occasionally light very dimly, otherwise, they are off. There are a couple of burnt connectors attached to this board. All the back glass lights work. Not sure if these back glass lights are indicative of a good Aux Light board, but if so , upside baby ! In the light self test mode, the Solenoid expander relay under the play field actuates. It does pass current ( more on this later). So definitely replace a couple of connectors and may be a new Main light Board.
Solenoid driver board. Looks horrible! So powered up game, got the non-desirable faint burnt plastic smell. Shut down game quickly. Found one of the two 7 drop target reset coils to be frozen . Disconnected that solenoid and tried again. Will not go thru all my iterations ,but, this is what I found and where I presently am:
The flipper relays work! Actually the flippers are pretty strong, however, I have rebuild kits on order. During the Solenoid test mode, The only solenoids that work besides the flippers are the solenoid expander relay under the play field and a relay in the back box. No other solenoids actuate. I was blowing the 1 amp fuse under the play field. Subsequent troubleshooting led to disconnecting the saucer coil. The Sol Expander relay will now actuate without blowing the 1 amp fuse, but no play field coils actuate.
When I first started, the replay knocker coil worked. Along the way it stopped and is not firing now either.
So now I have two coils disconnected ( 7 bank reset and Saucer). Some of the coils have 43 VDC applied to them and some have zero ( maybe broke a daisy chain? ). There are burnt connectors to the Solenoid driver board.
Squawk Board: When boots gets a flash and I guess what you would call two flickers on the LED. Condition looks good. Only sound I hear on boot up of the game is the typical start up recorded sound. No other sounds. No sound in the test mode. No sounds at all when I start a game to test the switches.
Ok that's it so far. My plan at this point:
Order pins/ connectors and replace burnt board connectors as a start
Order two coils for the ones I have disconnected ( need to resolder a couple of coil leads I disconnected in troubleshooting the blowing 1 amp fuse)
Order a new Solenoid Driver board. The one in place looks like crap. No way I just want to replace components. Whose replacement board should I order?
I have not decided to order main light board or not at this point. I am wondering if cleaning up connectors will solve problems with play field lights or do I need Board components/replacement. I am sticking with Incandescent bulbs ( old School on this one) so not a driver. Thoughts on chances of being successful with old board/ new connectors or just bite bullet and order new board (which manufacturer?)?
I would work on Squawk board last. Ideas on troubleshooting? Do I need a good Solenoid driver board for the Squawk to work? Worst case, I will send to Hibler for repair.
Hopefully this gets the game up and running where I can troubleshoot the one off's ( i.e. switches, bad bulbs, etc.).
Then consider cleaning/cosmetic work ( which will cause a new plan/questions, I am sure)
Pics to follow. Any thoughts/help appreciated
Sully
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