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Eight Ball Deluxe Owner Club & Restorations Guests Welcome As Well

By Hellfire

6 years ago

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#929 3 years ago

- pop bumpers sometimes fire when left flipper hit and ball not near them

This has been well documented now, several fixes exist. Check this post here.

Beyond that list if you had a way of cleaning your harness of the carbon powder these machines fill up on over the years the problem would go away.

3 weeks later
#973 3 years ago
Quoted from MMP:

I was reading Vid's guide to LEDs but guess I am still confused. So with this board there is no need for soldering resistors to the lamps? When testing a few bulb outages I noticed some inserts are already fine, and some totally flicker. I'm pretty much ok with the look of incandescent in the inserts, but damn it gets hot... I can feel heat on the top of the playfield.
I've got a couple of lamps that are touchy and need to be bent in just the right position. Have a couple others that just aren't working. Is it common for these to fail and need replacement?
I'm also a bit confused by the location of some tall vs. short plastic posts. Is there a definitive list of correct placement?

The Bally Auxiliary lamp board uses different SCRs that work fine with LEDs. The Alltek board just wires in all those resistors for you but on the board, rather than at the sockets. This is why you have to run that one wire to the live power lead for the controlled lamps.

#1000 3 years ago

Embryon has metal guides.

2 months later
#1145 3 years ago

For that weird scoring with the flipper, check the switches under the playfield that have a capacitor across the contacts. If they look original they will be dried out and will cause plenty of strange behaviour. If you get any bumpers or slings activating with the flippers there are more involved things you have to do to fix that but only if its a real issue.

2 months later
#1209 3 years ago

This is a long thread, but this post is a good summary to explain phantom firings.

As these machines are used, the conductive blakc metallic residue from the coils impregnates the wiring harnesses. Electrical coupling between the power wires and the switch matrix wires keeps getting better and better until misfires happen more frequently. The ideal fix is to wash your wiring harness.

The diode number I don't have handy but will appear in quite a few threads.

#1216 3 years ago
Quoted from manples:

I'm maybe lucky but I just blew the harnesses and the entire playfield (damn those coils were dusty...), replaced the 1N4001 with the little fast switching 1N4148 and replaced the 3 old capacitors with what I had: 0.047uF 100V ceramic cap. No more phantom firing on my bumpers
So now I still have 3 things to fix:
1. Remove the battery. I just got a 3 AA battery holder, I'm still hesitating to put a diode or not.
2. +3000 points each time I activate the flippers, this really sucks.

Some things to try, look at the pop bumper firing thread and follow some of the steps for solving the issue. Add caps to the flipper buttons, unbraid the head wiring as much as possible. Pull the lower playfield fuse which disables the coils but leaves flippers alive, does it still score? If it stops it is coupling in the wiring beyond the fuse. Then find the things that score 3000 and then look at the switch matrix to see if there is an area of the harness in common with the issues. Definitely scan around for more switch caps that are old. There are many that are not on the schematic.

1 week later
#1244 3 years ago

I would normally use a ceramic disc style cap to avoid issues, they are non polarized. You can use the one you have just measure the voltage on the switch to get it the right way around.

2 weeks later
#1263 3 years ago

Anybody on the latest CPR playfield list? I put my name on the list months ago and I know they are now shipping, I don't want to miss out. This is my first time buying something from CPR how does this normally work?

6 months later
#1540 2 years ago

On any old Bally I have worked on, there have always been way more switches with capacitors than shown in the manual. Anything that involves ball hits (standup targets, roll overs, pops, slings).

#1543 2 years ago
Quoted from lhammer610:

That is very interesting. I have never had slingshots need caps and would not put them on. But drop targets should never need a cap.

You are correct about drop targets, I actually wrote standup targets. Slings respond better too however with caps. Mechanically a ball compresses a slings rubber for quite a while so they don't need caps as much. I have more than one Bally that had factory caps on the slings however. If you put a scope on the strobe lines, they are only being read at ~ 120 Hz, it is pretty slow, so they are refreshed every 8.3 msec. The actual window of time that the switch can respond is at best 5% of each 8.3msec window. So 95% of the time the switch is not being monitored.

Even with caps it is not all perfect, get a game like Xenon where the ball can rattle between pop bumpers for quite a while. You will get 20 bounces in a row, then the machine misses one, there is a slight pause, then it starts throwing the ball around again.

10 months later
#1890 1 year ago
Quoted from Mathazar:

Looking for some guidance on how to address this minor problem. About 2 times out of 10 on average, the outhole kicker can't get the ball to the trough - the ball falls back to the kicker and it's retried (see video below - kicks #6 and #8 fail). The only time it really aggravates me is when it does it several times in a row, which has happened a few times.

Are there any adjustments that can be made? Replace the coil? Thanx for any input!

Had that exact issue on my Flash Gordon. It took quite a while to find. I originally thought it was the kicker head hitting the ball off center which I have had before. Then I replaced the coil sleeve assuming it was just too slow. In this case it was the drain switch wireform, it would not go down enough not to lift the ball slightly. It has a lower limit and if incorrectly set it can hold the ball up a bit. If the ball sat in the "U" shape at the bottom of the channel waiting to be kicked and got over the wireform it would push out of the way to the left (when looking from behind), let the ball sit down properly and get kicked correctly. If it entered just so, the ball could lean on the uphill side of the "U" and on the wire form holding the ball up just a bit. The ball would then be slightly to the left when watching from behind waiting to see it get kicked. The ball movement had enough wobble to not make it over the hill. On my FG, it would occasionally misfire, then sometimes have to try 5 times in a row before it succeeded.

3 months later
#1946 1 year ago
Quoted from cngizbleevng:

My new-to-me Eight Ball Deluxe has a problem I'm trying to sort out.
When pressing the left flipper button, the upper flipper stays in the extended position. As soon as I apply a slight push to the flipper itself, it springs back to its resting position. If I just tap the button very slightly the flipper doesn't stick, but any normal use of the button will cause the sticking.
Is this a common problem, and is it OK to spray some PB Blaster lubricant into the shaft where the shaft goes into the coil, or is that a no-no?
I did swap one of the other flippers into its position and the same thing happens.

Can you do it with the playfield up? If so, let it stick, then try flexing the flippers base plate in the middle, does it snap back? Linear flippers can bind up. I play with bending the base plate until the problem is fixed. Don't use a lubricant, it would probably grease it okay but upon retracting it would be slower.

3 months later
#2202 1 year ago
Quoted from srose007:

One other QUESTION: I'd like to take the playfield completely out of the cabinet. Looks like one big, thick braid of wires under the playfield that connects to multiple pin connectors up in the back box. If I unplug all of those connectors in the back box and run the cables through the slot into the main cabinet, am I good to go or is something else connected that I'm not noticing? Thanks

If you have not done this before, as you pull connectors check that one pin on each has a plug in the hole. It will correspond to a missing pin on the board header pins. If that is the case you can confidently pull off connectors knowing you will only be plugging them back in the correct spots. On EBD, there should be a rectifier board in the base of the cabinet. One of those connectors harnesses up into the playfield as well. Then the play field lifts out no problem.

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#2259 1 year ago
Quoted from cngizbleevng:

I thought using a file was frowned upon due to wearing off coatings. I guess if it's not working otherwise I might as well though.

I would not file anything unless as a test before replacing the switch. A dirty EOS switch never cleanly shorts out the lower power coil. So during your power stroke, the low power coil is partially limiting the current to the high power coil, really slowing down the flipper speed and torque.

2 months later
#2303 1 year ago
Quoted from phillyfan64:

I did the memory clear and reset the values. The 1,100,100 still does not add a credit. I don’t know if there a dip switch setting that is conflicting with this or not. Any other suggestions?

My understanding is the first level score works, the second does not? What about the third? One idea might be to switch the dip switches to a different game, set them. Then switch back.

4 months later
#2445 8 months ago
Quoted from Thegeekyhusband:

I have a question: I have one of those alltek boards on an EBD LE. It is currently set to 5 ball and I want to change it to 3 ball. Having looked at settings in the manual, it says to change the 31 and32 switch to off. I have done this several times, but it never actually accepts the changes. It just stays on 5 ball. Any suggestions?

Did you power cycle the game? It only reads the dip switches on start up.

#2449 8 months ago
Quoted from billsfanmd:

Looks like I am shopping this for a friend and troubleshooting a few things...Have never had one so I will be blind on a few are the few issues it has. Any help would be great.
1) Credit button goes to 40 which looks normal in manual. When you press a game it goes to 28. Normal? Is there a free play setting?
2) When you are playing the game will randomly award a free game or sometimes the score looks like it jumps around. Any ideas? I think I even the knocker when it awards a game randomly
3) On the squawk and talk board the green led light comes off and on and I found that touching the connector at the bottom causes it. Guessing the led is power and I should look at reflowing pin headers or checking connector?
Anything else I should check for would be helpful

1. Does it drop 14 credits for each game you play? Check the pricing settings if true. Otherwise very odd behaviour. Bally original machines are famous for not having a free play mode. Some people set the first score reward very low so you would almost always get a credit while playing.
2. Any Specials (Usually a red lit insert on a Bally) that are scored can be set to add a credit, free ball, or just points. Specials when obtained usually have the knocker go off.
3. Very common to need to reflow pins, but also many board ground through their mounts as well and that may be corroded.

#2452 8 months ago
Quoted from Manu2:

The pricing setting does not touch the number of credits when we press the credit button, only the number of credits when we add money. The Alltek mpu has a freeplay setting.
Are you sure that the Alltek is configured for an Eight Ball Deluxe ? Check the manual of Alltek. To change settings, you must do it with the pinball lighted off.

Good point on the credits, a game is always 1 credit. But I did not see where he said he has an Alltek, or I missed it.

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