Yeah, those Cliffy ball guides are great!!!

I almost left out the most important pic...

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Beautiful game, nice job indy!!

Thanks dothedoo

I have exactly 146 hours into it. I still want to paint the cabinet, one of these days.

Can't wait to see what the cabinet looks like when finshed.

Where did you buy the stencils you plan on using?

I'm wanting to re-do the cabinet on my LE soon.

You're welcome, but it's cliffy we should all be thanking, the man is a champion of pinball.

Beautiful job on your playfield. I can only hope mine is that nice in 146 hours. As for the stencils, I don't have any. The graphics were all complete on the cabinet and I traced 2 copies of each.

I have a buddy that has been painting for years, and he says it will be no problem making his own from the tracings. I figured I'd let him try because the worst case scenario is I'd have to resand and order a set.

I still am having trouble deciding the actual gold color to spray it with. I'm afraid it will be too gold!

Yeah if anyone figured out the rift colors to use for the cabinet, post here. I want to touchup mine as well.

did anybody replace his plastics with the plastics set that´s available from Marco and other shops currently?
I did and I noticed that the holes in the inlane plastics do not even closely fit the original holes....

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They are also of slighly different shape as you can see in this picture (the old plastic on top of the new one):

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My problem is now where exactly to drill the new holes without causing the ball hobble effect mentioned earlier in this thread. Should I drill the hole so that the top edge of the plastic aligns as closely as possible with the top edge of the old plastic?

I ran into the same problem w/ a new set of plastics I bought from BAA

I sent a message complaining about it.

They immediately sent me out the correct plastics.

I'd suggest going with the metal version that Cliffy has.

That's what I installed. They look/work great.

I would like to join the club if anyone has an EBD for sale. I posted in the market place, but only got one response. I'm in the SF Bay Area and willing to pay for shipping for the right game at the right price.

Please shoot me a PM if you have something available.

Thanks,

Rob Bell
Robsgameroom.com

For EBD I used these colors and it was pretty much dead on. I just printed that and handed it to the paint person.

Recommendations from silverball on RGP:

Creme:
Royal Latex High Gloss (102)
Latex and Oil Enamels midtone 320

INGRD Y 1/48 1/96
B 0 4 1
C 0 18 0
L 0 3 1

Gold: Bountiful Harvest
Royal Latex High Gloss (102)
Latex and Oil Enamels neutral 173A3430

INGRD Y 1/48 1/96
C 2 24 0
KX 0 24 0

Thanks! anyone have a handle on the LE cab paint types?

I'm in the club! We just got our new EBD!

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/if-you-like-paragon-you-will-love/page/3#post-2467036

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Rob Bell
Robsgameroom.com

EBD owners,

I am about finished with my EBD refurb, but ran into a little snag. I installed a new plastic set, but have one piece left over (see pic). When I removed everything, this piece was not there. Anyone know where it goes?

Thanks,

Rob Bell
Robsgameroom.com

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That piece goes into the trash.

does anyone know were I can find a playfield over lay or playfield for sale?

This piece is the left plastic rail under the big your right plastic (left of the 8 ball target). It has not the exact shadow of the original plastic rail, though.

Today I listed for sale this new old stock clearcoated playfield:
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/ad/21088

Robert

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Wish I could afford that playfield...but, at the moment, I'm practically broke when it comes to pinball funds.

I'm in with an '81 vintage EBD that we've had for a good 20 years now. Just stumbled on to the club here. I do have a quick question regarding lamps. Wondering if any of you have swapped in LED's for your GI lighting and how it went. Had NO IDEA there were as many choices for PF LED's as there are. My first guess (broad swipe) would be for one of the 'warm' frosted types but I've never seen them installed. Figured I would pick up a few and just experiment. Thoughts? Prior experience?

Got mine setup on location last Saturday. The bowlers have been raving about this game and several of them have been playing it every night.

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LEDs look great in this game IMO if you go warm white everywhere. I used Comet LEDs TWIN 2835 SMD 6.3V AC/DC INTENSE BRIGHTNESS frosted warm white BULBs in the lights that surround the left and right upper lanes (left rollover, right EB target). Then I used Comet 2 SMD 6.3V AC/DC SUPREME BRIGHTNESS with FACETED LENS bulbs for under all the plastics for the rest of the game. Warm white for all GI bulbs except for the top rollover lanes. I color matched those with blue 2 SMD 6.3V AC/DC SUPREME BRIGHTNESS with FACETED LENS bulbs.

I used warm/frosted/white LEDs in mine and it looks awesome!

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Tnx for the info guys. MrB, a sweet EBD you've got there. Do you remember which LED bulbs you used?

gmb

Comet warm white frosted bullets

Here is what mine looks like with the bulbs that I mentioned before. Pretty similar.

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Looks really nice. I think I've swapped out my last 555 incandescent !

chuckwurt, i'm putting together the shopping list here. what bulbs do you have under the pop bumpers (they look great!) ? tnx again..

Here is what I used for the pops. Comet as well. Since these are not GI, they may flicker or ghost if you don't have an LED board or resistors on the sockets. I have an alltek lamp board in my game that allows me to put LEDs in the whole game without issue. Good luck!!

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Tnx again Chuck.. Your machine is nicely decked out. I've been thinking about making the switch to LED's; had no idea everybody beat me there !! As you know, a couple of the EBD bulbs can be a nuisance to get to and wouldn't mind one last change out for life of the machine. I looked at the Alltek Universal light board and looks good for our EBD and Fathom. Think that's a go as well. Thanks again man and cheers...

Mr B, Did you use the same warm frosted bulb throughout ??

Yes, but for the playfield only. I left the backglass incandescent to avoid the spotting.

I use Comet clear retros under the inserts in early SS games. Matching colors under red and blue to make them nice and rich, warm white everywhere else. Slightly brighter than 47s (probably more like 44s) and can almost pull off the filament look of an incandescent. Most people don't know until you tell them. Great bulbs.

I put the Comet warm retro whites in the GI...looks great.

On the white inserts, I used the cointaker cool whites. I used a few different color cointaker retro style in the colored inserts.

Hey dothedoo and indypinhead. Tnx for the info. How's about a quick pic of your EBD ?

I installed an overlay on my first EBD, sadly before I started using LEDs.....it could've really used them. It's gone now and I don't really have any good photos. My second one is still in storage awaiting availability of a new playfield.

However, if you want to see what the Comet retros look like you can see them in my Xenon thread.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/xenon-with-comet-leds-and-custom-upgrades

very nice job on the xenon. was that a cpr pf swap? it's completely sold me on the LED swap. did these require a new lamp board? i see some folks going with the alltek lamp board or jumping the sockets w/ a small value resistor to prevent flicker. i would get a new board if necessary but if i could make it all work without one so much the better. tnx for sharing man...

Thank you, yes I did a CPR swap on it. I used Hans' adapters on the standard Bally lamp driver board, which you can see on page 2 of my thread in post #59. He sells a set of 3 for $30, which does one lamp board. It's a great product and I highly recommend them.

http://www.siegecraft.us/presta/index.php?id_product=44&controller=product&id_lang=1

So if you swap your Bally lamp board to a Universal Alltek unit or use Hans' adapters, are all EBD lamps covered/ controlled ? Do you need to swap out the auxiliary lamp board as well ?

I did nothing to the aux lamp board. I just replaced the main lamp board.

Same here. Didn't have to mess with the aux lamp board in Xenon.

Got it. I think I'm going to pick up an Alltek board and just get to experimenting. I saw that somebody mentioned that that was half the fun of it and I think I can buy into that...

Have an unrelated question here. Given the pool theme, I thought it would be cool to have a white ball aka cue ball. Has anyone made available a "cue ball" pinball? I've seen brief mentions of such a beastie but no leads on where to come by one. Ideas guys ??

Haven't seen cue balls, but I have this in my game.

http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/PB116-B8B

That's pretty cool, Chuck. Weighs about the same too. Doc, you could use a TZ powerball as a cue ball, but it's lighter and would not play the same.

Not sure about you guys/gals, but my EBD is already super-fast already. Putting in a Powerball would make the game unplayable IMHO...

My game is fast too. I hate how those powerballs play anyway, but a good idea if you really want that cue ball look in there.

Yeah I was pumped when I came across that. the best part about that ball is you can read the spin on it and anticipate where it is going to go easier. Also, I got an eight ball custom shooter rod from pinball_customs. it looks awesome. I am not a huge fan of custom shooter rods, but this one is subtle and works well.

The 8-ball is cool indeed and I swear that I've seen a cue-ball offered by Marco in the past. Can't find it now though. Sent them a quick email on it. Will have to check out that shooter rod CW. Also sounds neat...

Is this the power ball you guys are talking about? Why doesn't anyone like them?
http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/20-9809

To me it feels like playing with a plastic ball, and really floaty like a balloon. Haha. Hard to explain. Noticeably different though. Not a good different IMO.