Documenting an Eight Ball Deluxe 1981 playfield swap with one of CPR’s latest. phillyfan64 has new plastics, drop targets, lamp sockets (bayonet vs wedge), mech rebuilds and more. We’re going with incandescent 44 for GI/visible areas and color matching the inserts.

This will be my first EBD swap so if anyone sees anything not right, please chime in. Tumbling, ultrasonic, and polishing all parts. This one is in good working shape with a few touch ups.

Few pics of the old and new and the parts needed to install on the rotisserie:

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Top side tear down part 1

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Top side tear down part 2

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Top side tear down pics 3

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You will have to check with phillyfan64 about the old one.

What’s the correct lamp screws? There’s a mix of both 6-32x3/8 hex heads and some philips screws.

Finding both examples online.

Also of note, the new playfield is missing a lamp hole for the upper right corner. Maybe a production run change?

Running with it without and will use a double headed LED if too dark.

Note the extra hole that looks like wasn’t used on original. Covered and could be another area to add lighting.
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Thanks all! Some of the barrels for the 8-32 T nuts were too large for the holes which has been common for new playfields. I ran short of 6-32 T nuts but will have a count when I have them all in. I use felt with a small bearing and washers to carefully set them in.

Running with the hex head screws. Ran the braided wire this afternoon. Need to solder and test but the lengthy part is over. Tried to keep it close to original run but cleaner.

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Small progress to share. Parts are being cleaned and tumbled. First batch has made it out after two days of tumbling. Happy with how they’re looking. I had a “helper”.

Started the soldering of lamp holders. Lots to go...!

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Yes.

Thank you! I’ll be following your IJ in a few months for my own. That is a great resource!

Yes I find flux pen and turning up the heat helps.

Thanks Bryan.

Bryan was right. They’re pretty far off for the switch actuators. Compared them to original, used my centering punch to dimple, predrill, center, and cinch down.

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Pop bumper parts cleaned up nicely and are reassembled with new parts.

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We ran into our first issue. We went with flat based bayonet holders. Assume our only option is different holders or use flat topped LED’s with or without condoms. And apparently there’s some issues with the LED’s in the chase lights?

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Thanks. That’s what looks like we’re going with.

No big deal. If it’s pinball, it is never easy!

Flippers got rebuilt. Was time as seen by the stops.

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Top side getting populated. Using kruzman kit to prep the hole.

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Starting on replacing some of the “too tall” sockets.

Saucer mech is rebuilt after cleaning/tumbling and new sleeve and wrapper.

The new plastics are disappointing. The clear section that shows the smears is part of the clear plastic. We are putting the originals back on.

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Pop bumpers are rebuilt with mostly new parts and wrappers.

Lowered lamp sockets are still pretty close.

Top side is mostly assembled. Sling plastics (new) still have protective plastic...

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Thanks! You’ve been a great supporter and help.

There’s already a hole located that does look slightly off. I’ll get some comparison pics. The hard part is if we move the location, we’ll have the other hole still there.

This post gives some details and the link to using it. It’s a must have for any swap to prep the holes that are filled with clear.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/kruzman-monthly-playfield-thread/page/3#post-5209755

The single 8 ball drop is rebuilt with new sleeve and wrapper. It works nice and smooth.

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4 drop target bank disassembled. Off to ultrasonic for cleaning.

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And the behemoth drop target assembly of all assemblies. It must weigh 1/4 of the entire assembled playfield.

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I had early on too with a hammer but there’s so many ways it can go sideways! So had others here recommend the felt and a bearing method and really is much better.

phillyfan64 and I are thinking of going with a washer on the original or updating to the thicker version on the left. This way we can open the hole up enough to match where it should be.

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Hole is too big for the nail.

I'd make sure you have everything you need for the underside for the lamp holders, wire braid, tools to clean out the clear, etc. Are you just swapping or tearing it all down for cleaning?

The flipper and sling mechs are installed. NOTE: flippers aren’t locked in place yet. Will wait until the GI lighting is sorted with new holders first.

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We upgraded these two posts to 8-32 from 6-32 to protect from hits. And changed the T nuts to match so will need to adjust my count earlier in thread.

The lower sitting lamp holders are in and work perfectly now.

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Pop bumpers are finally installed and will get new spoons.

4 bank drop assembly is completed but not yet mounted.

Blue LED with clear domes installed in lane dividers.

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You and me both!

Sounds good and better to do it now than trying to wrestle with when the harness is on which is pretty soon. I will add the missing one in the large opening but was waiting to have the harness on to add it in.

Your call on the 8-32's on the bottom slings. I'm out of 8-32 posts now so we'd have to get some. I'm not thinking they'd be a huge issue but it's easy enough to change out. Of note to others: the blue posts will need opened up depending what posts you have. The ones I had were thick being 8-32 so found a drill bit and opened the other two up slightly.

No worries at all! Shouldn't really be much longer. The harness will take a few nights.

Regarding the flipper pawls: the new ones come with allen socket head cap screws. Originals used set screws. The cap screws interfere (if you use both) with the end switch so I was going to use the original set screws however they're a smaller size.

Assume they're 10-24 or 10-32 and what do others do? Just use the one cap screw, get the correct set screws or ?

TIA

The issue was the angle was too much to start so trimming the edge just a bit gives a hair more room. So this was solved.

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4 drop bank is now installed. Dimples were close. Well two of them! All sorted.

Dropped the remainder of the lamp holders with the lower style. Holding off on the two (pic without bulbs) as the holder may pose interference with the mega drop target assembly.

And that mega drop assembly getting new wrappers, sleeves and tumbled hardware.

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The mondo assembly completed. Time consuming to assemble and had some hangups that will likely be an issue for others. Note dimples are in another galaxy. Maybe they’re different brackets for the assembly...

Anyway, the mini post t nut sits up above the playfield where the assembly mounts. So used Bob’s forstner bit again. Works great but the post is too long and is blocking setting it perfectly. So marked and cut the stud down and voila!

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And finished pics. Showing the tight clearances. Karolina came to help supervise. I was able to install the last two lower bulb holders. No issues there.

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Wire harness is starting to be installed.

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Makes sense then. Guess the original template they’re using was off.

Wiring harness is laid out and starting to solder what seems like a million things.

The bulb was added to the big hole in the back to add light.

All switches are installed and slowly going through adding new clear tubing to replace the old yellowed tubing.

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Spent about 6 hours getting about 1/2 through the soldering. Wow, looking at these pics it’s looks like I didn’t do much.

I’m working around perimeter and now getting to what seems like an infinite amount of inserts in the middle.

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Believe everything is soldered! I missed the one single drop switch clear tubing so will get that tomorrow when testing lights and adjusting switches.

Put a dent in the roll of solder!

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We found a few GI sockets that need tended to. And should this get foam?

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GI lighting all good.

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Thanks! I feel worthless with the Big Butt Hunter. I think I put in LED’s.

Inserts all working too! Some pics of random inserts in testing. Pink LED’s in DELUXE targets. They look great in person. Photos don’t really show them off well.

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Finally getting back to it after vacation. Plastics are all in. We ended up using the original plastics for the two back larger plastics as the clear parts were really bad. They had bad streaks and looked way worse than the originals. Pretty disappointing and seeing this more and more. I hope they make things right.

Used dabs of hot glue to hold the metal spacers. This title is a pain lining them all up. I did adjust the flippers finally.

What’s left? Pulling it off the rotisserie and getting the front areas ready to is all the apron.

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Thanks TaylorVA for the new rails. They look fantastic! We had a rocky road with them disappearing for most of the week but came safe and sound. That was the last little detail we were waiting for. This is about wrapped up!

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phillyfan64 would be best to answer this question. He knew what he wanted so I’m pretty sure we did it at his request. If not, I don’t recall why I had!

I will say that the new bayonet I’m putting in this Harlem Globetrotters On Tour currently has me considering a wedge style. They seem to be weak on the bottom where they touch the “ball” of the lamp. I can see that being an issue with the arm losing strength.