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EBD 43V at TP3 (should be 11.9V) - transformer issue?!

By m4tt

2 years ago


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#2 2 years ago
Quoted from m4tt:

found that TP3 on the rectifier board was reading 15.9V when it should be 11.9V.

This occurrence is normal.
11.9V is the spec unloaded voltage when the solenoid driver board is *not* connected. When the solenoid driver board is connected, its capacitor at C23 stores energy on that supply rail and brings up the voltage.

Quoted from m4tt:

I checked the voltages again and found 48V at TP3

Quoted from m4tt:

I checked the test points... and got 45V at TP3

Your multi-meter is giving a false reading from noise it's picking up. You need a load on that supply rail to measure it properly. Hook up a 12V lamp across that test-point to ground and remeasure it.
Also check that the ground prong on your power cable has zero ohms continuity to ground in the machine and to the GND test-point on the rectifier board.

Your question has come up before:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bally-as-2518-54-rectifier-boardtest-point-voltages-too-hot
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bally-as-2518-transformer-wiring
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bally-54-rectifier-board-12-volt-problem#post-4991448

#5 2 years ago
Quoted from m4tt:

Why do I get normal readings from the board in one machine but this noisy reading from the *same* board when it's in a different machine?

What's the chance the noise is from the ballast running the flouro tube in the backbox? If you disconnect it does it make a difference?

Quoted from m4tt:

So now I feel like I'm never going to fully trust a DMM. Can you explain why this particular test point does this?

I haven't personally seen it (maybe because my Fluke multi-meter gives a correct reading). It seems to affect some multi-meters and not others.
An oscilloscope would probably help to see what's being picked up.

Quoted from m4tt:

Where else might I come across this type of thing in a pinball?

People often get a low reading on TP2 of around 160V, caused by the resistor at R3 on the rectifier board which was probably put there to limit current draw from the analog multi-meters used back in the day.

#7 2 years ago
Quoted from m4tt:

So you're thinking it's possibly a really quick high voltage spike, perhaps jumping up even higher than 50V but just for a short amount of time?

Was thinking along the lines of EMI. Can depend on how wires are running in the transformers power looms, etc. In combination with the input capacitance of that multi-meter that's giving you the false high voltage reading with no load. Try the 100k resistor as Tuukka suggested to see if it negates it.

Anyway with the circuit loaded and your other meter giving readings in range, I'm not sure there's much point trying to "fix" this as it won't be the cause of your original boot issue.

#12 2 years ago
Quoted from Skidave:

Also, make sure you get a pic of the battery compartment to make sure it is clean.

Indeed. I have a cabinet with 40 or so analog multi-meters I had to move recently only to discover my dad left batteries in all of them 10-15 years ago. Oh dear..

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