(Topic ID: 89128)

Dungeons and Dragons Rebuild


By Tallon

5 years ago



Topic Stats

  • 71 posts
  • 16 Pinsiders participating
  • Latest reply 3 years ago by archaik
  • Topic is favorited by 12 Pinsiders

You

Linked Games

Topic Gallery

There have been 81 images uploaded to this topic. (View topic image gallery).

image_(resized).jpg
2016-04-07_10.39.04_(resized).jpg
2016-04-06_21.52.22_(resized).jpg
2016-04-06_20.26.41_(resized).jpg
2016-04-06_21.29.06_(resized).jpg
2016-04-06_19.39.08_(resized).jpg
2016-04-06_19.29.48_(resized).jpg
2016-04-06_17.50.06_(resized).jpg
2016-04-06_17.50.22_(resized).jpg
2016-04-06_17.49.46_(resized).jpg
2016-04-04_14.39.17_(resized).jpg
2016-04-04_14.37.13_(resized).jpg
2016-04-04_14.23.36_(resized).jpg
2016-04-04_11.27.48_(resized).jpg
2016-04-04_10.07.37_(resized).jpg
2016-04-04_10.07.28_(resized).jpg

There are 71 posts in this topic. You are on page 1 of 2.
#1 5 years ago

Picked up a Dungeons and Dragons machine this weekend and after some consideration I decided to try my first restore project (inspired by all of you). The machine is in dire need of a complete tear down and I don't think it was ever shopped. Someone tried to be unique and only worsened the clean up process. The good news....the PF is in REALLY good shape with only a hint of burn thru at the ramp. All the inserts are pretty much level and hopefully are only going to need a steady hand to touch up the lettering. All of the plastics are there with the exception of one tiny corner and look almost new (minus the dirt). The electronics are all working as far as I can tell and the game actually fired up and played. Short of a topper (hint, hint) this is a complete machine. Now the bad........the outside looks like it was well, outside. A lot of pealing on the vinyl and a little chipping at the back of the cabinet. The inside as completely covered in the infamous black dust and apparently when they painted the side rails they did it with the glass off and poor masking (will be cleaning overspray for the next 2 weeks). All in all a good pickup for me as its on "The List". This one will be staying with me. Here is what I'm starting with:
Pinball phone 120.JPGPinball phone 121.JPGPinball phone 122.JPGPinball phone 123.JPGPinball phone 124.JPGPinball phone 125.JPGPinball phone 127.JPGPinball phone 128.JPG

#2 5 years ago

Nice and good luck! I got a D&D playfield laying around somewhere but never played the game a ton.

#3 5 years ago

Thanks, Started stripping the field and I'm having a minor anxiety attack thinking about how the hell I'm gonna get this all back together. Should be finished stripping by tonight and ready to start clearing the back side (gulp)

#4 5 years ago
Quoted from Tallon:

Thanks, Started stripping the field and I'm having a minor anxiety attack thinking about how the hell I'm gonna get this all back together. Should be finished stripping by tonight and ready to start clearing the back side (gulp)

Haha yeah topside is stressful enough, haven't had the stones to do a bottom yet....so to speak.

#5 5 years ago

and I thought the plain black front looked bad on those D & D's

Should be easy enough to pick up a decal for the front or paint back to the original color if it bothers you, It does look like a fun pin.

#6 5 years ago

Yeah, I have not decided what to do with that yet. Definitely not going to stay purple. Looking to see if I can find new vinyl for the whole cabinet and will just strip it down and cover it then. Does anyone know if the brick front is the original or the black?

#7 5 years ago

it was solid Black ( like a few others in that era, eight ball deluxe, etc. )

#8 5 years ago
Quoted from Tallon:

Picked up a Dungeons and Dragons machine this weekend and after some consideration I decided to try my first restore project (inspired by all of you). The machine is in dire need of a complete tear down and I don't think it was ever shopped. Someone tried to be unique and only worsened the clean up process. The good news....the PF is in REALLY good shape with only a hint of burn thru at the ramp. All the inserts are pretty much level and hopefully are only going to need a steady hand to touch up the lettering. All of the plastics are there with the exception of one tiny corner and look almost new (minus the dirt). The electronics are all working as far as I can tell and the game actually fired up and played. Short of a topper (hint, hint) this is a complete machine. Now the bad........the outside looks like it was well, outside. A lot of pealing on the vinyl and a little chipping at the back of the cabinet. The inside as completely covered in the infamous black dust and apparently when they painted the side rails they did it with the glass off and poor masking (will be cleaning overspray for the next 2 weeks). All in all a good pickup for me as its on "The List". This one will be staying with me. Here is what I'm starting with:

Pinball phone 121.JPG 282 KB

Pinball phone 120.JPG 176 KB

Pinball phone 122.JPG 316 KB

Pinball phone 123.JPG 263 KB

Pinball phone 125.JPG 382 KB

Pinball phone 124.JPG 408 KB

Pinball phone 128.JPG 240 KB

Pinball phone 127.JPG 357 KB

I restored one years ago and bill Davis cc'd the nos pf. I think I got a bunch of extra parts somewhere too.

Sold her two years ago. Miss that pin!

#9 5 years ago

Cool, Shoot me a PM with the list of extras if you find them. I'm still tearing down and may find some problems yet (god I hope not). Thanks for the info on the front. Got a lead on a decal guy here locally and hopefully I can talk him into a side project to get me a brick front. I think the black looks a bit off myself so if I can I'll vinyl it.

#10 5 years ago

Its been a couple days (I took Sunday off) but the top of the table is almost stripped. Any advice on getting the knockdowns on the right and the ramp on the left out would be appreciated.

Pinball 3 034.JPGPinball 3 035.JPGPinball 3 036.JPG

#11 5 years ago

you should consider making a small batch of those brick door vinyls, some people might be interested..... just saying

#12 5 years ago

Nice work on the progress. Just out of curiosity, was this the one by the twin cities that sold for $375 last week?
Someone beat me by "5 minutes"............
-Kyros

#13 5 years ago
Quoted from archaik:

you should consider making a small batch of those brick door vinyls, some people might be interested..... just saying

LOL, does that mean your "some people" Archaik? I was already leaning that way. I have not heard from the guy yet but figured if I could get something done I would get a few extra just in case I screwed something up or someone else might want some.

#14 5 years ago
Quoted from Kyrosfear:

Nice work on the progress. Just out of curiosity, was this the one by the twin cities that sold for $375 last week?
Someone beat me by "5 minutes"............
-Kyros

no, I wish it was that one, I heard the one in MN has the topper. Mine was from a guy here in WI. I was a CL listing but the guy was looking for help fixing it and I went up to do that. When I started going over telling him what he should do just to not damage it any more, he asked if I wanted to buy it. Hell, he didn't even know the top glass came off. I probably over paid but he bought it from "a guy at work" and I gave him $500 for the machine to get him his money back. This is one of the machines on "The List" for me so I'm fine with the price.

#15 5 years ago
Quoted from Tallon:

no, I wish it was that one, I heard the one in MN has the topper. Mine was from a guy here in WI. I was a CL listing but the guy was looking for help fixing it and I went up to do that. When I started going over telling him what he should do just to not damage it any more, he asked if I wanted to buy it. Hell, he didn't even know the top glass came off. I probably over paid but he bought it from "a guy at work" and I gave him $500 for the machine to get him his money back. This is one of the machines on "The List" for me so I'm fine with the price.

Your making me miss mine, at least I still have the step stool.

DD.jpg

#16 5 years ago

Double post...

#17 5 years ago

Yeah I'm totally freaking out today. Got the wiring harness pulled and flipped the table over to try and figure out how to remove the back piece of plywood and free the PF finally and it slipped and almost fell onto the floor. If I wasn't freaking out worrying about not being able to get everything back together, I would definitely be loosing it if I dropped the table and broke something. Its not the money, its the fact that I have not seen a whole lot of replacement parts. Thank got the plastics are available. I am taking a break now and decided pulling the mylar off the play field would be less stressful. Did the inverted air can trick and everything came off without a hitch. Now I know what the PF is suppose to look like. Holy Crap is it dirty.

#18 5 years ago
Quoted from Tallon:

no, I wish it was that one, I heard the one in MN has the topper. Mine was from a guy here in WI. I was a CL listing but the guy was looking for help fixing it and I went up to do that. When I started going over telling him what he should do just to not damage it any more, he asked if I wanted to buy it. Hell, he didn't even know the top glass came off. I probably over paid but he bought it from "a guy at work" and I gave him $500 for the machine to get him his money back. This is one of the machines on "The List" for me so I'm fine with the price.

Right on. I would have gone $500 for sure. Anyway, nice score and good luck on bringing it back.
-Kyros

#19 5 years ago

Slow progress today. I'm having trouble getting the back plate loose from the playfield and I can't find my saw horses to just pull the whole thing out (no rotisserie yet). I did manage to get the last of the plastics off and they got a bath today. Still debating on new plastics. They have a little yellowing but all in all look pretty good. All the mylar is off now and the goo is all cleaned up

Pinball 4 017.JPG

#20 5 years ago

nice progress keep going man,
about the brick door, i say some that may include myself
either you make a small run or gracefully send the file so i can find a printer close to my home.

Mine is still unfinished due to a problem at clearcoating stage, seems not hard enough yet ....

the backplate check the underside of the PF you have some screws to get off, plus the wired ramps. Be careful with the U-turn shaped blue plastic ramp...

#21 5 years ago
Quoted from archaik:

the backplate check the underside of the PF you have some screws to get off, plus the wired ramps. Be careful with the U-turn shaped blue plastic ramp...

Got it. I'll take a look today and see if I can get it off. On a side note, when I flipped the PF it was really clean. Like I can easily see the wiring notes printed from the factory for assembly. If its this good do I really need to pull the wiring harness or can I get away with a good vacuum and wipe down? Gonna clean and redo all the coil assembly.
Opinions?

#22 5 years ago

Nothing like a fresh set of New Plastics! And keep in mind > I doubt we will ever re-run them, it was our largest sheet of PETG to date ( 24" x 36" )...it's Huge!

Quoted from Tallon:

Still debating on new plastics

#23 5 years ago
Quoted from Stu:

Nothing like a fresh set of New Plastics! And keep in mind > I doubt we will ever re-run them, it was our largest sheet of PETG to date ( 24" x 36" )...it's Huge!

LOL your killing me Stu Thinking I'm gonna use the old ones and get a nice minty fresh set just in case. your right, there is nothing like a brand new fresh set of plactics. Now what about the cabinet decals (my guy fell thru)?

#24 5 years ago
Quoted from archaik:

Mine is still unfinished due to a problem at clearcoating stage, seems not hard enough yet ....

ok, what happened during clear coat. Got a buddy who use to work autobody that's doing mine but I gotta do all the prep. Any advise or even horror stories so I know what to look out for would be appreciated

Quoted from archaik:

The backplate check the underside of the PF you have some screws to get off, plus the wired ramps. Be careful with the U-turn shaped blue plastic ramp...

Right where you said. Just had to get the thing on some saw horse so I could access the back and underside. Thanks a million on the assist.

#25 5 years ago

buy a cpr plastic set!! beautiful....i hope cpr made a repro playfield....

#26 5 years ago
Quoted from pinballfan:

buy a cpr plastic set!! beautiful....i hope cpr made a repro playfield....

I sent Stu my old pf for a mock up years ago but CPR never redid it.

Sad, sad day. :-/

#27 5 years ago
Quoted from underlord:

I sent Stu my old pf for a mock up years ago but CPR never redid it.
Sad, sad day. :-/

That's too bad. All in all my PF looks pretty damn good. Now if Stu would get some topper kits reproduced or PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE some vinyls for the cabinet I would have a brand new machine.

I know there is a long list of other machines that are more popular and quite honestly just plain more of them. I am good if someone just says "its on the back burner" I'll just wait impatiently

#28 5 years ago

Working on the Dungeons & Dragons Playfield Artwork now ( in between Other "high priorety" Projects ).....The project was put on hold long ago because we were Not going to do Playfield projects that needed multiple Playfields ( D&D has 3 ), however, we now have a way to do all 3 PFs on 1 Single piece of wood & separate afterwards, so the project has become do-able again....Just give me time to get the artwork together....Patients pays off!

Quoted from underlord:

I sent Stu my old pf for a mock up years ago but CPR never redid it

CPR doesn't do "topper kits", Nor do we do Cabinet Decals.....I have "personally" done vector artwork for Cabinet Decals such as: Bride of PinBot, Guns-N-Roses, & Jurassic Park that are Commercially Available, as well as Bad Cats & Fire! which are Not Commercially available....However, I have not done the Dungeons & Dragons Cabinet Artwork....Although I have actually started on the D&D Front Cab "Bricks" Artwork for personal use on my own machine......

Quoted from Tallon:

Now if Stu would get some topper kits reproduced or PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE some vinyls for the cabinet I would have a brand new machine

#29 5 years ago

Stu is the man! I was more wishing then asking Stu. You guys are doing GREAT work and I'm keeping tabs on the few more machines I want to get so I can get the reproduction parts when they come out. The vinyls appear to be the hang up on this project as I can't seem to get any traction on finding a source. Everyone says they can do it but no one will (copyrights) or the setup and layout are cost prohibitive.

#30 5 years ago

Short note for those keeping track. Nothing really to post for the last couple days. Waiting on parts and arranging a shop to shoot the PF.

#31 5 years ago

about my clearcoating problem nothing to fear for you, i used mono autoclear in spray cans but not enough heating afterwards...it will harden ,someday, eventually
you won't have the problem if you get it done by your buddy with 2part clear .
Just read the Vids guides for any advices.

1 week later
#32 5 years ago

Oh yeah!

Stu, that would be awesome. It was a long shot getting that pf redone, it really is a fantastic pin!

#33 5 years ago

Sorry for the long wait on an update. Parts finally came in last week and like everyone else I forgot a couple things. Pinball 6 080.JPG
On the road for a bit and didn't really get a chance to work on the machine. I finally got everything off the front of the playfield and started cleaning and assessing. I have ALOT of inserts that are high of all things. I was toying with leaving the back side of the PF populated but with all the lights that have to come off now that's not going to happen. In the mean time, KEEP CLEANING!Pinball 6 117.JPGPinball 6 118.JPG

#34 5 years ago

There will be a slight delay in the D&D rebuild, Working on the road for a few days and some "interesting" events are putting the PF on hold for a week or 2. Updates to follow.

#35 5 years ago

Good luck. The guys who restored my DND had lots of trouble restoring the PF. They didn't take the mylars off around the pops, so I guess those were paint lifters.

You will want to knock out the rollover switches in the magic save lanes before clearcoating the PF, otherwise bubbles will form around them.

#36 5 years ago

Appreciate the support. Unfortunately, the PF is going to be COMPLETELY de-populated before spraying. After destroying a couple Magic Eraser, I found the inserts I was hoping were going to be able to be clear coated over to lever are going to need some attention. The PF will now be fully stripped, inserts leveled, paint touched up and then clear coated. My little rebuild has turned into a full blown restoration.

#37 5 years ago

Neat. The first thing I would do(aside from that girlie pink front) would be to find a way to close the magic gates shut, making it "normal".

#38 5 years ago

lol, that's an option in game setup. there is also an option to auto close when the roll overs are charged I think. And its "Warlock Purple" thank you very much!

#39 5 years ago
Quoted from Tallon:

lol, that's an option in game setup. there is also an option to auto close when the roll overs are charged I think. And its "Warlock Purple" thank you very much!

Really wish I knew that several years ago. There was a D&D on location that I got the all-time lowest score on(4K) since I couldn't adapt to the magic save setup. Apparently nobody else did either since it was removed from the lineup. Really would have liked to explore the playfield.

#40 5 years ago

Oh I'm pretty sure there are a lot of "All Time Low Scores" on this particular game. the out lanes are a nightmare from what I understand. Since I only played 3 games back in 1989 and 1 game when I got it (way screwed PF electronics) I will be looking forward to seeing what the game really plays like. Since I bought it instead of just feeling like I was, it should be fun.

#41 5 years ago

The outlanes are easy and I almost never drain through them, even on a clearcoated machine. They give you 4 or 5 free auto-saves and then stop, which is almost trickier than just not ever giving you any auto-saves because you have to notice when it stops.

More often I drain down there because I have an airball going completely over the magic save and the plastic.

#42 5 years ago

why close the lanes? that's the main feature. ....
will post again when mine is up and running. boards ok now , missing adjusting switchs,putting new rubbers and go killing dragons ^^

2 weeks later
#43 5 years ago

And we are back. Just getting back to the machine and finally got the wiring harness off tonight. If I had come crazy glue (always something) I could start setting inserts. Oh well, guess that's tomorrows project. Pinball 8 001.JPGPinball 8 007.JPG

#44 5 years ago

wow,removing wires...lot of work! how many time?did you remove all insert?thanks for the pics!!

#45 5 years ago
Quoted from pinballfan:

wow,removing wires...lot of work! how many time?did you remove all insert?thanks for the pics!!

All the inserts are still in, They need to be re-seated and glued back in place. then a little touch up and CC.

#46 5 years ago

Little coil work today as I'm trying to stay busy on the machine. Parts for the magic save and drop targets (which were well oiled and almost completely stuck) went into the shaker today and the kickers rebuilt and coils cleaned. Starting on flippers tomorrow or Thursday. Any recommendations on flipper rebuild kits? Links and coil stops all look great so was wondering if I really needed a full rebuild kit or just new EOS switches?

Pinball 9 003.JPGPinball 9 004.JPGPinball 9 006.JPGPinball 9 007.JPGPinball 9 008.JPG

#47 5 years ago

More coils today. Got the Magic Save re-assembled with new coils (dear god did you see how cooked the old ones were) and the drop target bank is ready to go sans no grease. Flippers parts are in the shaker now and are going to take a couple days. Discovered that the pressure washer is suppose to go between the coil sleeve and the coil. OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!! Don't know who did this but the should be shot. I'm having a hissy fit that the knocker and drop target bank both have the washer on the lug side but that's how its suppose to be according to the manual. Pinball 10 003.JPGPinball 10 010.JPG

#48 5 years ago

Flipper are out and boy did they turn out nice. Waiting on EOS switches to come in but that's a simple solder job when they do.
Pinball 11 001.JPGPinball 11 002.JPGPinball 11 003.JPG

BTW, apparently the flippers call for a .01Fu capacitor to be installed on the EOS switch. Anyone know anything about this?

1 year later
#49 3 years ago

SO...........after a couple misfires and some delays, D&D is back on the front burner and getting ready to get some love. To bring everyone up to speed (if anyone is still keeping an eye on this thread), I'm on my 4th Dungeons and Dragons pinball machine. Over the last year while dragging my feet getting the touch-ups done on the playfield, I have bought fixed and sold 2 other D&D machines. The original purple cabinet was used to build another machine and was populated with a factory mylar playfield. The front was stripped and the damaged areas were filled. A fresh coat of semi flat black matches perfectly to the original black plastic coating used on the front. I'm hoping to get some pictures up and fill you in on the progress on this machine. stay tuned.

#50 3 years ago
Quoted from tjsynkral:

The outlanes are easy and I almost never drain through them, even on a clearcoated machine. They give you 4 or 5 free auto-saves and then stop, which is almost trickier than just not ever giving you any auto-saves because you have to notice when it stops.
More often I drain down there because I have an airball going completely over the magic save and the plastic.

The lights should trun off when auto save is over also multi ball gives you free auto save (Setting)

Promoted items from the Pinside Marketplace
$ 13.00
Electronics
Yorktown Parts and Equip
$ 137.00
From: $ 16.95
$ 10.00
Cabinet - Sound/Speakers
Gweem's Mods
$ 44.95
Wanted
Machine - Wanted
Cleveland, OH
$ 99.99
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
Lighted Pinball Mods
$ 16.00
From: $ 218.00
$ 48.00
Cabinet - Other
ModFather Pinball Mods
From: $ 200.00
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
CzTV Mods
$ 79.95
Playfield - Toys/Add-ons
pinballmod
From: $ 8,500.00
Pinball Machine
Operation Pinball
$ 5,799.00
Pinball Machine
Classic Game Rooms
$ 179.00
Flipper Parts
Mircoplayfields
From: $ 42.00
Cabinet - Shooter Rods
ModFather Pinball Mods
$ 18.00
Cabinet - Decals
Top-Notch Target Shields
$ 24.00
Playfield - Other
Pin Monk
There are 71 posts in this topic. You are on page 1 of 2.

Hey there! Got a moment?

Great to see you're enjoying Pinside! Did you know Pinside is able to run thanks to donations from our visitors? Please donate to Pinside, support the site and get anext to your username to show for it! Donate to Pinside