Newspaper article in Sydney Morning Herald: "He has about 25 flashing, chirruping machines in the basement, which he plays for about an hour a day when not busy as a home builder. Standing there, flipping the paddles, all his frustrations fall away."

"TO BE a pinball wizard you must first learn to think like a pinball wizard."

Article in HYPER magazine: "Being crammed into a stuffy first floor office space, above a warehouse, in an Alexandria backstreet, with one woman and 50-odd men – mostly scraggly or sparsely-haired and aged in their 30s to 50s – mightn’t sound like the ideal way to spend the day, but the mood is buoyant."

When I'm asked this, I respond ; "Only at troubleshooting and repairing them".

" It cant be HUO, I see a lockbar on the coindoor.... "

You're joking, right? "It applies to the top 25, therefore it applies to all machines"? Why not use the bottom 25 to 'prove' that 100% of games fall in value?

Yeah, but who cares about the bottom 25?

"I can't wait to put LED's in it".

or

"it's an LE so it's worth more"

"Doing it for the love of pinball."

Everyone who bought Wrestlemania???

Worst player ever! She could have won a Lights...Camera...Action pinball! (starts at 6:00)

I suppose it could apply to the bottom 25 as well but you need to compare apples to apples in other words, NIB to a similar condition one. I remember Xenon NIB was $1500 in 1980, but a nicely restored one is over $2500, same applies to Black Knight. NIB in mid 80's were $1800. Please provide evidence of your statement that a "minty" condition machine is less than its NIB counterpart in more than 5% of the cases. At the very least, you will not "save plenty" as stated in the original dumb post quote.

I think she was playing by phone by saying Fleep, Fleep, Fleep.

What statement? I never said that. I simply pointed out that assuming the pricing trends of the top 25 games are typical of pinball machines in general is illogical. Anyway, not going to argue this point any more, this thread has been sidetracked enough as it is.

No, unfortunately he's serious... If you're smart with your money and know when and how to buy you can break even or actually make a little when reselling but this guy happily spends 9k on remakes so the term 'smart' doesn't really apply to him.

An autographed DE Star Wars translite makes the game worth $4000 more

"It's just all luck, right?"

"Why would someone need so many machines? Aren't they all the same?"

"They still make new ones?!"

Yeesh ... I'm going back into the basement.

"I saw a little spark while adjusting something with the power on. Why is the game not starting now?"

Ugh...I'd forgotten this one. I had somebody say that to me, so I told them they were welcome to stop by anytime and "try their luck" against me. He hasn't shown up yet.

Bear in mind my statement was a rebuttle to another statement that 95% of ALL new pins go down in price and especially the dumbest statement of all that "don't buy a NIB MMR, it will go down saving you plenty". My cursory look at the market prices seemed to show the opposite trend and I backed it up with a handfull of statistically significant pins. It's a lot easier for you to prove the contrary to that statement that in 5% of the pins, the price is lower than it's NIB counterpart than for me to list all 95% of all pins in the top 25, what I originally stated, but I'll go as far as top 100. My guess is you already tried and instead of conceding you prefer to say "not going to argue this point any more, this thread has been sidetracked enough as it is".

I always hear from folks,gee,do they still make those things??Then,are they expensive?? You have How many??OMG!!Yakitty yak,yakitty yak!!Peace,

Teekee if you want to make money, why don't you move out of your parents basement and find a real job. Less time trolling pinside would be an added bonus.

Because my parents basement is warm and dry and a real job would require me to get out of my undies... won't do it, sorry!

Now, if you want to keep wasting your money please contact me the next time you're looking for a pin to buy. I will have special pricing just for you. Hope to hear from you soon! SEND MONEY NOW!

LOL...this guy is ok with overpaying a grand or two. I'm sure he can afford it and obviously doesn't mind. The question is: why does it bother you?

Because he needs to be buying from me! I can help him waste his money just as well as anyone else... I would love to be his middleman.

Give me a call SuperPinball, I'll hook ya up! Plus my basement needs new wallpaper.

Every time my dad plays, the ball rolls down the playfield, hits the flipper and rolls straight into the drain. Then, a second later, he hits the flipper button, turns to me and says "THIS THING CHEATS!"

I wish I was in the States , shipping a pin to Toronto is about $600-$800 from the US. $8000 MSRP + shipping + setup and delivery and its $9K in my basement. But I have a new MMR in my basement and I am a happy camper.

Sorry to prove you wrong. Here are the latest models produced by Stern. Each is HUO and much lower than NIB. Forget about the first 25/last 25 on a rating system. These are the last 5 games produced from the factory. These are a better value than NIB. They may go up in the future, but that is not what you initially stated. You said it was "dumb" to wait for "HUO".

Besides Tron LE and AC/DC LE show me new pins you do not have to wait 5- 10 years to appreciate.

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/ad/20185
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/ad/21185
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/ad/21479
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-extremely-low-play-huo-twdle
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/fs-mustang-pro-50th-anniversary-build-date#post-1671322

The dumbest thing that I have done pinball related is to buy XMLE NIB. Not because I do not like the game. I could have saved 1500 dollars waiting.

Listing #1 I agree with you
Listing #2 Premium NIB went for around $6000-$6500, ok some saving but hardy "plenty".
Listing #3 WWE is rated #305 sorry just a bad game not in top 100
Listing #4 Walking dead LE went for $6950, ok I agree with you, you saved $100.
Listing #5 Mustang is rated #154, but i will give you that one too

Thank you jimjim66 for at least making an effort to provide facts and evidence but I think we can see that the original statement of 95% of all NIB will go down is not factually correct, at least if its a descent machine.

Didn't the pro go for $4500 and the LE for $6000? The VE probably had something to do with the XMLE market price not being as high as it's supposed to be.

Why are you using the top 25, most of those took over 20 years to top what they were NIB, and 90% of them are not available NIB. In fact I have owned most of the B/W and I bought them after they were used and I STILL got them below NIB prices. (Not 10 years later, but close to after production.)

Are suggesting keeping a pin in a box for 20 years to watch it appreciate? Otherwise, I don't understand what you are saying as only 4-5 of the top 25 can be bought NIB, with only 2 actually being in production.

Heck no, I wish. I got it for 7200 shipped. And that was considered a great deal.

There was NO VE. That is why it is even harder to swallow. The aux board problems, the code, and wolverine toy is what brought it down.

"There is no way there are going to make a Big Lebowski themed pin"

"The Big Lebowski movie is only popular in America"

"Why are you wasting your time on this dumbass TBL thread?"

Okay, I got a better quote I turned down as I did not have the funds. https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/ft-the-avengers-le-blue-version. Not a premium, but an LE for almost 1500 less, with mods.

You got to give me this one.

This one is still up for debate.

Add this on:

"This one is still up for debate. "

Let me help you understand

Original Dumb Statement

"if you want an MMr simply be patient and buy one later HUO and save plenty."

Followed by factually incorrect statement

"Since 95% of ALL new pins drop in price, I don't see how this is a "dumb" statement".

Followed my my rebuttle

"Factually incorrect, Take any game in the top 25 see what they sold for MSRP at the time they were for sale through distributors. See what they are currently going for "used" and you will find that in fact 95% of the pins increased in price."

If you cant get NIB you must restore to at least a NIB condition to compare apples to apples. You can get a routed Avengers and say "look it has a lower price than NIB". My statement is the rebuttle to the post of NIB will go down in price and you save plenty. I think it depends on title. A bad NIB pin like WWE will go down in value. A VE like IM will cause negative pressure on market price for that pin. Well documented really bad code like in Avengers will also have a negative effect. Since we were talking about MMR a remake of the #1 ranked pin, I don' think you can compare to WWE ranked at #305. You are not comparing apples to apples. I included the top 25 to make my point but later saw that a similar argument can be made for top 100. At the very least the truth is a lot further than "95% of all new pins drop in price". Very rarely do you "save plenty".

Anyway this has gone completely off topic, beyond this I cannot clarify any further. I suppose we need to agree to disagree and move forward.

Can we just stick with the funny stuff?

When someone says: "Wow! You're a pinball wizard!" or the likes to me...

I just smile and take it as the awesome compliment that it is!

Not after this:

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

"Fully refundable pre-order deposit."

Pinball machines have batteries?

"I would rather not let my kids play pinball until they are a little older, if you know what I'm saying"

His kids were 8 and 10

People here always ask me: "pinball? they still make these?"
Really every single person I tell about pinball says that.

I just heard this from a guy on Saturday, whom I just repaired a JP and BTTF for him!!
He bought them on Ebay 7 years ago.

"Let me ask the wife"
or, "let me check with the boss".

What exactly WAS he saying? My son just turned 2 and can likely out-motor-skill them already.

My response would have been: "Uh, no, I don't know what you're saying."

Someone crapping on some else's favorite game because they don't agree with it.