You do fantastic work and your boards are awesome. Just a small optimization that I think will help make it better. Glad to help if I can.

are you populating the components on bare boards from victor?
here's the first of (hopefully) all of victor's board designs to make the building experience a bit more friendly.

plan is to provide links to my dropbox of .rar files for the boards (the first one being the wpc fliptronics board)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/jfrzmy2mvucoz8s7qh3od/w89_fliptronics_II_board_rev2.zip?rlkey=5p3y3kf97223zaw5n2qvxgixy&dl=0
fliptronics board v2 (resized).png

each .zip file contains a number of .png files, one of each component [by value], which are subdivided into folders by component type (capacitor, diode, resistor, transistor, etc...)
and each individual .png file shows the highlighted location(s) of the component in question

I've done this for the original williams mpu board here (https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/twobits-wpc-mpu-complete-assembly#post-3589424) as well as a number of reproduction boards on KLoV, and all were well received

awesome

Here is a picture of Victor's Flip board with components installed.

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Victor's Williams System 3-9 Bench Display...Super Cool...

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j_m_ I love the diagram you've made for the FlipTronics II board.

What would you think about making all of the part label text white?
I conjecture that the text would be more readable.
I mean like "74HCT374" in white. "103", "1N4004", all in white, etc.

BTW...I really like the way the FlipTronics II board was labeled much much better than the way the MPU was labeled in the linked thread. It allows much faster ID of components.

Best regards.
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ChrisHibler like this?

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Sorry Victor, I didn't read the thread before I sent my PM to you. Please enjoy your time off!

-Pat

j_m_ Exactly. Really really nice.
May I post this one to the PInWiki with attribution?

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sure thing. I've replaced the image above with one where the text is all white on all components.

How do I request the bare bones of this board? I want one.
Mike

Hi Mike @packie1, contact Victor, aka DumbAss here on PinSide. Victor has developed all of the stuff in this thread.
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Thanks j_m_ !
Added here:
https://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php/Williams_WPC#WPC_FlipTronics_I_.26_II_Boards
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Nice.

Matt.

I wasn't happy with the some of the things that came out the way that they did so I've re-colored the fliptronics board (see below). I will re-post the .rar tonight or this weekend

fliptronics board v2 (resized).pngnow, it's easier to distinguish the different value resistors that are positioned next to each other
link for new files
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/jfrzmy2mvucoz8s7qh3od/w89_fliptronics_II_board_rev2.zip?rlkey=5p3y3kf97223zaw5n2qvxgixy&dl=0

Nice. I like it.
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j_m_ Latest version captured from PinSide and uploaded to PinWiki.
DumbAss PinWiki image is annotated to indicate the diagram represents your board. Good point.
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I've updated the dropbox link in the post above (https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/dumbass-test-and-reproduction-pcbs/page/20#post-7161252) with a new .zip file containing all of the image (by component) files

and here's the [modern art] version image of the fliiptronics II board
fliptronics board II (modern art) (resized).png

Reminds me of the credits from Charade..

Add a couple power ups and a few monsters and it’s Bubble Bubble…

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j_m_ I feel like I'm missing out on a capability provided by your diagrams.

I don't think I know how to use them.

I have always wished for a way to say (for instance) "show me where U7" is, and have U7 highlighted on a diagram.
Does your diagram type provide that kind of thing?
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If you download the complete zip file from drop box, there are sub folders that contain all of the parts needed for the board. Go into the IC's folder and there is a separate picture showing U1-U6.

j_m_ - you have done a great job with these drawings.

Such a beautiful thing!

Awesome! Thanks for sharing that.

Any chances we will be able to purchase other colour boards?

I am holding off for the unicorn not green not red, revision 2 of the Data East board.
I pray every night for it so my soon to be restored Lethal Weapon 3 can have awesomeness inside.

I am begging. Lol

KiCad has something like this as a plugin:
https://github.com/openscopeproject/InteractiveHtmlBom

Not sure if KiCad is being used for layout here.

Most EDA packages can also export searchable PDFs.

PCB creation software has this feature and is very handy. You can type in a part designation and they highlight on both board and schematic. That or on a big board I will do a 'move R1' command because then it picks up and you can follow the PCB tracks, air wires, or schematic lines back to where the part was sitting at, easier than finding the highlighted item out of hundreds. You can also highlight entire traces and the legs of parts attached to that trace. Doing diag when you have access to that is a bit easier than following lines on a paper schematic. WMS schematics from the system 3-7 era are a nightmare for me. Trying to follow a MPU schematic trace, blink once and you lose it. I still have a lot of respect for the people that came up with this stuff in the 70s still even if I curse at the schematics from time to time.

I sometimes watch repair videos from Louis Rossman on youtube and he has a lot of apple schematics in a PCB schematic / board layout viewer software that has these types of linking features. I am not sure how you would generate a file to be compatible with the schematic/layout viewer software like that. Might be a KiCad plugin to export those viewer files from a project without giving out entire access to your design files.

Watching USPS tracking is entertainment. Every try and file a missing ticket?

I quit using the USPS. They had the ability to charge me double after I had mailed the package. And their tracking is horrible.
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I sent off a package to a customer in Australia. It somehow managed to spend a month in Chicago and then found it way to continue and made it there eventually. Crazy.

International shipping with USPS is a shit show. I have had first class international land to australia in 10 days pre-covid. I have had priority express (3x more expensive) land in australia in 75 days.

Right now I don't think it matters first class, priority, or express for international. It gets there when it gets there and it does not seem like the higher priced services are any faster. Trying to use DHL or fedex is a nightmare I just refuse to deal with. USPS slow boat and you just have to wait and hope for the best. Not giving refunds on express shipping because it took 3 months or whatever.

Had a package take three months to delivery to Europe. At the two month point a paypal dispute comes in (don't do that pls). While taking the time for the dispute to clear up the package lands and the customer was happy and wrote that in the dispute text. I still lost the dispute some how... I don't think a human ever reviewed it. Thankfully customer was cool about it and sent the money back over.

Down here in Australia we are told there is a shortage of freight ships arriving and some US companies / shippers are just refusing to accept shipments to us.

My personal record is an item ordered from China in May of this year that arrived a week ago!

sorry for hijacking this awesome thread with this, but I figured since the majority of us are possibly building boards...

my fr-301 desoldering tool needs a new filter pipe and I can't find a replacement on DigiKey or Mouser, other than the filter pads....

Any tips?

ha! weird. Not sure why I did not find that when searching for parts, even after typing the part number.
I ended up ordering a full rebuild kit, except for the heating element from another store in NJ, will have to go pick it up, just 40 min drive for me to the border.
Nowhere to be found in Canada!

Thanks for the help Victor.

Once I finish rebuilding other parts of my LW3, I will be ordering a DE board. Cheers!

since we're sharing usps international horror stories, I sent a parcel to a friend in england last year right before thanksgiving. the tracking was never updated beyond the "received parcel" line from the originating post office. I ended up filing a claim and running a trace. usps paid off on the claim for 25% of the value (gee, thanks) and I figured that I was going to have to source the items again for my friend (on my dime).

low and behold, 9 months later he receives a message from his post office that a parcel addressed to him was found and was being redirected to his post office (from thailand). apparently, his package was thrown into the wrong container by the usps over here in the states and found its way in the wrong country for a good period of time. fortunately, it worked out in the end, but this was only one story in many that has had a happy ending with our postal system.

in other news, I'm currently working on the color charts for the following boards: system 11 cpu, wpc 89 power driver, and wpc 89 mpu
my goal is to try and get all 3 complete before I leave for the chicago expo show next week. fingers crossed

system 11 cpu board
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/a6x2yomvv1u3ltry3eke3/s11_cpu__SYS-011-CPU.zip?rlkey=mop3yo0e2dodul3oaqr5w9f59&dl=0

s11_cpu__SYS-011-CPU (resized).png

Very nice

Dude, so awesome. Thank you!

wpc89 power driver
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/whl8bllrkgk21ldz0bxll/w89_power_driver_WPC-089-PWR.zip?rlkey=s60au6fynlt6743rjt9a5j323&dl=0
w89_power_driver_WPC-089-PWR (resized).png

ps
is it just me, or do these make great wallpaper images?

pps
hat's off to victor for added the keyed box connectors. too many times are things questionable when reconnecting the ribbon cables

edit:
2022.nov.01 new link added. final board snapshot added. I've added the components for the switching regulator that victor did for the purple boards. they are located in a separate folder inside of the .zip file

Looks awesome

Victor donated two custom purple PCBs to Project Pinball for our charity auction at Pinball Expo. It is not possible to purchase a purple boards from him, they are only produced and released in special circumstances such as this. I spoke with him and want to let everyone know we'll have online bidding this year for items. I will continue to update the thread here with details:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/expo-2022-charity-auction-with-thread-updates

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Well done.
Those boards look the ducks nuts too.

Matt.

Here is a link to the online auction that includes Victor's boards:

https://projectpinball.rallyup.com/pinballexpo-2022-projectpinball-silentauction/Campaign/Details

Bidding will go live Sunday at noon (est). A big thank you to Victor and everyone for their support!

Brad
Project Pinball

I am very interested in these boards. I hope I do not have too much competition. LOL.