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Dracula - Check Fuses F114 & F115

By jeffdill

5 years ago


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#1 5 years ago

This is my first pin and I'm completely new to maintenance. Me and a buddy cleaned the playfield, replaced some bulbs and rubbers, and soldered one of the wires on the center 3 bank. I am now getting the "Check Fuses F114 & F115" error message. The very last thing we did before this error happened was replace the two GI bulbs on the left bumper...I gave that area and the solder area a good look over and they seem totally normal.

The fuses seem fine to me, so I'm not sure if a short is the issue or what. One time when I turned it on it gave a quick message of "GR1 short" or something like that, but I couldn't replicate that. I'm hoping someone else had the same issue on the pin and knows how to fix it. I unfortunately don't have a voltmeter on hand at the moment.

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#2 5 years ago

Seem fine isn't good enough - pull and check with a meter.

If fuse is good, then this : http://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Williams_WPC#Check_fuses_F114_and_F115_message

LTG : )

#3 5 years ago

So, I am a visual learner with someone explaining things to me, and your problem is covered by the Pinball Ninja website, with a couple excellent videos that can walk you through the Pinwiki steps in LTG's post above.

If you follow the PinWiki instructions, awesome - but if not - I would HIGHLY recommend paying $20 and having lifetime access to one of the absolute best repositories of information in the world. This exact problem is covered at least 8 times on each website over 6 or so games with TZ getting the honor of repeated diagnosis.

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http://www.pinballninja.com

#4 5 years ago

Purchase a cheap voltmeter would be helpful.

I do see the 12V digital voltage LED is not lit and F115 looks like it may be blown, but it also could be dirt I am seeing through the fuse that is on the fuse holder. Testing with a meter would be the best thing to do. You can replace it with a slo-blo 3/4 amp 250v fuse. If you replace the fuse and the LED is still not lit, then your C2 likely had failed and eaten up the pad/trace under it breaking the connection to the F115 fuse. In any case, you should replace C2 (100uf 35v or 50v electrolytic capacitor) anyway.

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#5 5 years ago

Thank you...I'll purchase one and keep working at this. Frustrating since I didn't buy it very long ago! I got a good deal on it though, so I can't complain.

1 week later
#6 5 years ago

Ok so I got a multimeter and tested the fuses. F114 is definitely ok, F115 is definitely blown. Per the wiki I unplugged J210 and tried it, the fuse didn't blow.

Upon closer inspection, I see some corrosion on a couple of those chips. Could that be the cause? Are those replaceable?

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#7 5 years ago
Quoted from jeffdill:

I see some corrosion on a couple of those chips.

And the battery holder, and under the battery holder, and leaching down.

Check with a pro if it can be repaired or cheaper to replace.

LTG : )

#8 5 years ago

Nice roofing nail in the battery holder....get those batteries outta there, and buy a remote holder. Use vinegar and a toothbrush to neutralize the corrosion. Rinse with a lot of water, then use 90% isopropyl to displace the water, fan dry.
And give a couple days to really dry!

#9 5 years ago

Board is done. Get a replacement MPU, Rottendog WPC89

http://www.bigdaddy-enterprises.com/

#10 5 years ago

Now, ya gotta love the roofing nail in the battery holder.

#11 5 years ago
Quoted from Phat_Jay:

Nice roofing nail in the battery holder....get those batteries outta there, and buy a remote holder. Use vinegar and a toothbrush to neutralize the corrosion. Rinse with a lot of water, then use 90% isopropyl to displace the water, fan dry.
And give a couple days to really dry!

Can corrosion like be the root cause of the short, or is it likely that I have another issue I haven't found yet? Just seeing if I should hold off on part ordering until I know everything I need.

#12 5 years ago
Quoted from wdennie:

Now, ya gotta love the roofing nail in the battery holder.

Ha! I can't take credit for that one, it was like that when I bought it. Worked totally fine until recently.

#13 5 years ago

Battery corrosion can cause all types of issues, including yours. Get that board repaired - remove the batteries at a minimum to remove the source, then research on this site on how to remove the corrosion. Lots of advice out there. A spare board is always needed.

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#14 5 years ago

Life got in the way so I hadn't been working on this, but I think I confirmed that the corrosion fried my MPU board. I replaced the board from my friend's Judge Dredd and the game worked fine (no display on the DMD, but I probably just forgot to connect a cable). Guess I just need to buy a new board.

#15 5 years ago

If you end up purchasing a new board and plan to dispose of the old board I would be interested in it (I'm local to you). Feel free to PM me if so.

#16 5 years ago
Quoted from jeffdill:

Guess I just need to buy a new board.

Or send your existing board out for repair. Barakandl, Chris Hibler, Coin-Op Cauldron are a few good people to send your board to for repair. I find the original boards are typically fine for years once gone over by a pro.

1 week later
#17 5 years ago

Good news and bad news. I swapped the board out with the new Rottendog board. Right now the flippers don't work, or the left sling, and when I first turn the game on it goes into ball search until I let the Mist ball drain into the trough. I went through and tested the other switches and I think they all work fine. Still feels like progress!

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