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Dr Who - Mini Playfield issue

By dipasqut

2 years ago


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#40 2 years ago
Quoted from dipasqut:

Okay.. so since the OPTO in question is SW#32, thats J5
If I understand your notes correctly, your asking me to check the following?
J5-1 - Not sure what your note here is? "L9"? or A=Grey?
J5-2 - for K=1.0-1.4v? What is LED_RET?
J5-3 - Key position
J5-4 - 12v when blocked,0.1-0.7 unblocked?
J5-5 -Not sure on this one either? E10? E=Green?
Please help confirm what you want me to check here and what I am looking for?
Also, just a quick question. I was pretty careful when i wired in the new OPTO not to wire it backwards from the original, and as I understand it, it doesn't matter. but is it possible to wire that backwards and it would get a blocked signal when it is open and open when blocked? but no that doesn't make sense cause in test 14, you can see the beam line when its open and when its blocked the like disappears, so I have to assume the PIN is reading it correctly.

I had to put a small washer or 2 under the cam optos when assembling my MPF to raise them higher.

The opto interrupter cam worked but not all the cutouts covered the opto beam completely. and it couldnt find the home position.

This led to a similar condition that you describe:

Working but not finding the home position and getting bad CCW messages on a new 10 opto board.

Raising the cam optos "up" a bit with 2 small washers under the opto plastic housing at each screw got the opto beams covered sufficiently by the cam. I had to get slightly longer screws to get them to bite properly.

Maybe this is part of your issue.

I documented this in the doctor who thread.

#41 2 years ago
Quoted from dipasqut:

Okay.. so since the OPTO in question is SW#32, thats J5
If I understand your notes correctly, your asking me to check the following?
J5-1 - Not sure what your note here is? "L9"? or A=Grey?
J5-2 - for K=1.0-1.4v? What is LED_RET?
J5-3 - Key position
J5-4 - 12v when blocked,0.1-0.7 unblocked?
J5-5 -Not sure on this one either? E10? E=Green?
Please help confirm what you want me to check here and what I am looking for?
Also, just a quick question. I was pretty careful when i wired in the new OPTO not to wire it backwards from the original, and as I understand it, it doesn't matter. but is it possible to wire that backwards and it would get a blocked signal when it is open and open when blocked? but no that doesn't make sense cause in test 14, you can see the beam line when its open and when its blocked the like disappears, so I have to assume the PIN is reading it correctly.

Removing the MPF is not as hard as it seems. There's only the forcefield plastic, the forcefield, and 4 machine screws holding the whole assembly in.

Dont be afraid of it, most of us can remove it in 5 mins or less after having done it many times.

Whats nice about this is that you can set it in the bottom of the cabinet with the playfield all the way up.

Plug in all the connectors and test it thoroughly before reinstalling it.

#51 2 years ago
Quoted from dipasqut:

Thank you all for taking you time to try to help!
At this point the PROBLEM IS FIX!!!!
Thats right.. Thanks to pinballinreno, I put 4 (2 per screw) small washers under each side to raise the OPTO up and it worked like a charm. Test 14 now competes all tests w/o issue. Also, the boot up error report only shows the one Mushroom OPTO as an issue again.
Quick test of game play and multi-ball and the MPF is functioning flawlessly!!
Thank you again to everyone that contributed. It was a great experience I hope soon not to repeat.
Side note: pinballinreno - I am still having issues finding your original post. That link takes me to the Doctor Who Owners Club, but I don't see anything about the MPF and adding washers to the OPTO. I did a search for posts by you and for anything that mentioner "washer" and didn't find it. Maybe I am just doing something wrong, but would love to see which post your talking about to see if I reviewed it in my original searches and if/why i didn't think that was the answer. The only post i did see was one where you mentioner using washer(s) to tilt the MPF.
Thanks again! you guys have been AWESOME!

People usually just search the club thread for my posts.

Is sounds like someone in the past had replaced the MPF frame.

This causes the cam optos to be about 3/32" low.

Please read the club thread about the 5 opto board problems.

Im hoping that DumbAss will make up some good, working boards to have here in the USA.

#52 2 years ago
Quoted from eyeamred2u:

Awesome news. I did say, where is @pinballreno and boom, he had the fix. I sadly could not help because I used a modern linear fix for the MPF.
Use that Dr. Who thread, it is a lifesaver. When you tackle those mushroom targets, all of us will be watching.

Unless you are doing a full ground up restoration or working on a pristine game, the linear problem solving system (though good) is very tedious.

Hacked and rebuilt parts from the variety of vendors, plus weird route fixes and patches leads to troubleshooting nightmares.

Way too many variables to add to the equation.

Things are more dificult than they otherwise would be.

This is where experience and pinside shine!

DumbAss had it right as a mechanical problem if everything electronically tested out.

Pinside is an awesome reference for unhacking games.

#53 2 years ago
Quoted from pinballinreno:

Unless you are doing a full ground up restoration or working on a pristine game, the linear problem solving system is very tedious.
Hacked and rebuilt parts from the variety of vendors, plus weird route fixes and patches leads to troubleshooting nightmares.
Way too many variables to add to the equation.
Things are more dificult than they otherwise would be.
Pinside is an awesome reference for unhacking games.

Case in point:

I spent a week solving a thing flips opto on my TAF.

Everything worked yet nothing worked.

It ended up that the prior repair person had accidently soldered the Rx opto wires in reverse.

This causes the opto to work, but be very weak.

The opto pair would only register if they were physically touching.
They would fail if they were 1/8" apart.

Once the wires were correctly installed, it worked perfectly.

I found the solution on pinside!

#55 2 years ago
Quoted from Tophervette:

So you are saying that there is a right way and a wrong way to wire an Opto (esp. the RX reciever side).

Theres only 2 wires, but theres and emitter and a receiver (collector) inside the plastic lens of the opto LED (C and E on the board).

There is a big side and a smaller side if you look into them under a light. So, yes they can be wired backwards and still work very weakly.

Properly wired the opto works powerfully and perfect.

If the wires are reversed the opto will be weak and only receive if the transmitter is literally touching lens to lens.

This was discussed in another thread with exactly the same problems I had. Homepin suggested turning the opto 180 degrees, but its much simpler to just reverse the wires.

The guy that had the problem was dealing with it for 18 months until a solution was found:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/tech-optos-works-when-close-but-not-from-far#post-6866079

Homepin thead on optos:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-to-determine-the-c-e-of-black-opto-receiver-leds#post-3538582

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