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Dr Who dead display - help

By RETROCENGO

4 years ago


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#1 4 years ago

While playing on my newly purchased Dr who the dmd display died.
Transister mje15031 on location Q6 shorted.
I just replaced it. But still dead display.
Fuses are not blown.

Measured the two big caps:
C4 left side: 113v rightside: 0.0
C7 left side: 0.0v rightside: -143v

Ive measuerd the two smaller transistors in front of Q6 and they measure fine, just as on the dmd board from my T2

Any idea where to look at next?

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#2 4 years ago

This is a continuation of what I talked about on the other repair thread you had opened. People lose the history on the game.

If your any of your high voltages (-112. -100, 62v) failed, you really should rebuild the whole high voltage section.

I urge you to go back to the seller and see if he would swap out the board for a working board. Never know unless you ask.

#3 4 years ago

The seller is out of the question, its my fully responsibility to check the pin, and I didn’t.

Well i took the DMD from dr who and put it in my T2, get a picture but its bad, top section is missing.

THEN i took dr who DMD back into dr who and took the working dmd board from my T2 into dr who and it doesn’t work!!
Dr who files somewhere, can’t figure out where...
Does anyone in here know, which cabels to measure the incoming voltages to the dmd board?

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#4 4 years ago

Dmd backside

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#5 4 years ago
Quoted from RETROCENGO:

Does anyone in here know, which cabels to measure the incoming voltages to the dmd board?

It's fairly straight forward actually.

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#6 4 years ago
Quoted from RETROCENGO:

The seller is out of the question, its my fully responsibility to check the pin, and I didn’t

People who restore and sell games usually like helping out, especially when something goes wrong so quickly after pickup. Just mention it to the seller and ask if you can buy/trade for another working DMD controller board from him.

As many games as I have bought over the years, people are willing to help in some form or fashion. There is just no way to predict everything that can go wrong within a 1 year period with a game you are looking over in a short time period when buying a game. Knowing the seller had rebuilt the high voltage would have even been enough for me to not worry about looking over that board.

#7 4 years ago
Quoted from RETROCENGO:

Well i took the DMD from dr who and put it in my T2, get a picture but its bad, top section is missing.
THEN i took dr who DMD back into dr who and took the working dmd board from my T2 into dr who and it doesn’t work!!
Dr who files somewhere, can’t figure out where...
Does anyone in here know, which cabels to measure the incoming voltages to the dmd board?

The high voltages for the DMD are generated on this DMD controller board. Sometimes a DMD can take out a DMD controller and vice versa. Sounds like this has happened.

http://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Williams_WPC#Testing_DMD_Controller_Power

#8 4 years ago

These are the parts that go into a full high voltage DMD controller rebuild.
https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=WPC-HVP-KIT

#9 4 years ago

I really appreciate all your help guys.
Update:
Ok. Using T2s dmd board in my T2 with dr who dmd display.
Measured all voltages. All exept 12v is fine.
When the power plug from dmd display is off, then the cable shows 12v from dmd board, when i connent the cable on dmd display, then the 12v shows 0.1v.
Does this mean my dmd display is dead?

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#10 4 years ago

I believe there is a diode on the bottom left area of the DMD controller board that may be shorted. That should be something you can measure resistance (ohms) with the power off on the game. 2019-10-22 13_45_01-Dr Who dead display - help _ Tech_ Modern games _ Pinside.com - Internet Explore (resized).png2019-10-22 13_45_01-Dr Who dead display - help _ Tech_ Modern games _ Pinside.com - Internet Explore (resized).png

#11 4 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

I believe there is a diode on the bottom left area of the DMD controller board that may be shorted. That should be something you can measure resistance (ohms) with the power off on the game. [quoted image]

Im not using that dmd board, but a board from my T2
But, a diode on the left side, ill check it out, do you mean a diode thats shorted/open? Continuity on both legs both ways? Or?

#12 4 years ago

There is a diode there yes at D7 but its fine

#13 4 years ago

Diodes would normally short so you would see zero ohms. If you use the diode test, you should see 0 volts across them. If a diode opened, I would expect you would see the diode physically damaged.

There are several diodes in that area so test them all. I just do not have the schematics available today or tonight to look at. It is a quick test, so should be easy enough to test them all.

#14 4 years ago

Have you seen my post about 12v disappearing when I connect the dmd display? Its really odd

#15 4 years ago

Yes. That is why I hope you find a shorted diode on the 12v line. If you have the schematic available you could test the exact diode that goes to J604 pin 7 that is shown in the partial schematic in post 5.

#16 4 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Yes. That is why I hope you find a shorted diode on the 12v line. If you have the schematic available you could test the exact diode that goes to J604 pin 7 that is shown in the partial schematic in post 5.

No I don’t have the schematics.
Isint it wierd that the same dmd board and display works partily in my t2 and not on dr who?

#17 4 years ago

Compare the resistance of the T2 DMD and the DR WHO DMD. Disconnect the cables from both. Measure the resistance between pin 7(+12) and pin 4 (GND). Most likely the DR WHO DMD will measure a very low resistance. Maybe 1 or 2 ohms?

#18 4 years ago
Quoted from Catch86:

Compare the resistance of the T2 DMD and the DR WHO DMD. Disconnect the cables from both. Measure the resistance between pin 7(+12) and pin 4 (GND). Most likely the DR WHO DMD will measure a very low resistance. Maybe 1 or 2 ohms?

Can’t compare T2 dmd with dr who, my T2 has LED 5V display, thats why I haven’t been able to test with that to rule out the issue

#19 4 years ago

Measure the resistance on the DR WHO one then.

#20 4 years ago

Well, I just looked at the schematics. There seems to be 3 different versions of DMDs. Only 1 of them uses the +12V.
There are 2 Babcocks. One of them uses the +12V and the other does not.
You(according to your pics) have the Cherry DMD which according to the schematic does not use the +12V. Of course there probably is a version which does use the +12V but these are the only schematics I have. Again, measure the resistance between pin 7 and 4 on the DMD with no cables connected. If you have the DMD that does not use the +12V then the resistance should be infinite ohms. Basically no connection. I don't know what else to suggest. Did you replace the ribbon cable? You sure it's installed correctly? Maybe you should just buy the Color LED display.

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#21 4 years ago

Update:
Visited a friend with DR who.
Installed the dmd board, after i replaced Q6 and on his dmd display, it wotked, then i installed my dmd display and it also worked perfectl.
So basicly my dr who dmd display and board works fine....

Then i came home and tryed on my dr who...

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#23 4 years ago

I did connect my dr who dmd board and display in my T2 and i worked fine.

Then I connected it in my dr who and got this picture

So it’s something wrong with my machine, but what??

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#24 4 years ago

Okey!!
The problem is the CPU board now!!
I took the cpu board from my T2 and over to dr who and the dmd is perfekt

Switched dr whos cpu board over to T2 and it didtet work.

So trouble is isolated to cpu board now...

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#25 4 years ago

With power off, try pressing on the U9 ASIC chip on the MPU board.

#26 4 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Try pressing on the U9 ASIC chip on the MPU board.

Thanks, off and on, dident help

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#27 4 years ago

It I best not to press on parts while game is on, same with reseating cables.

Try pressing the other socketed parts on the MPU and reseat this ribbon cable.

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#28 4 years ago

I think you are on the right track... Symptoms all point to a faulty ribbon cable. Also, from my experience, it's the most common failure on this era of game.

#29 4 years ago
Quoted from RETROCENGO:

Thanks, off and on, dident help[quoted image]

Replace cables, re flow solder points.

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