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Quoted from Pinhead1982:
On pinball news, JJP did a presentation on Hobbit. In the presentation they showed a multiball sequence which Peter Jackson himself said no to. They still showed it as it was their vision and what they wanted to put in the game. It was refused and so abandoned. Is that illegal showing their vision? If it is not in The final product or licence is worked out before then is it still illegal.
UNIVERSAL may not know of the pin, but was it DP intention to make a prototype and show UNI the "vision" and then go make changes after that. Granted they should not have taken it to a show or organised events to show their vision before complete approval.
The difference here is JJP stated up front that those were rejected by the license holders and was not going to be in the final product. With DP, everything was implied to be what the final product would have: pot leaf, gun, disembodied legs, all call outs, kahlua (although this was questioned by the masses), even the soundtrack...who knows if that's even licensed now! The point is there was no disclaimer that none of it was approved or unapproved. Without that disclaimer the thought is that it's approved and final.
Quoted from ozno:
What is your nature??????
Let's say that the US preorder people lose their money and DP abandons them, BUT DP does manage to finish the game and produce it. Would you still want one? Would you support a company that used a loophole to defraud USA customers? Why is it that DP hasn't issued a statement assuring USA customers that they will honor their deposits?? Why did Phil stop issuing refunds? is the account actually empty, or did DP threaten Phil with a lawsuit if he continues? If the latter is the case, then DP is lying, if the former is true then DP is lying.
Probably neither of those scenarios.
Quoted from sd_tom:
So two sides to this though:
- point for Phil: does look like the playfield is still not final approved per his statements here
- point for DP: the License did not get pulled, in fact universal is willing to let them still show the unapproved playfield (sticker may or may not be mandatory).. I.e., license was not fucked up.. Like Roger said.. After talking with Universal himself he felt he was a band aid, not a tourniquet.
So the only thing that is all fucked up is this thread and the stir it caused which may/may not cause real issues later/currently with 50% of people wanting refunds. That seems 90% on Phils shoulders.. The rest on DP for not recognizing he was that close to popping.
Licensing was a very small reason why many pulled out. The real reason was the financing.
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