The robot was in Lost In Space tv show 1965 to 1968. Though I believe he wasn't referred to as Robbie in it.

LTG : )™

Not currently.. We designed it for jjp games or pic based... Doesn't mean we can't do stern. Just not ready too

Found a story on the lawsuit. You can sell/reproduce the public domain items. I.e. movie posters, lobby cards, trailers. You cannot take the images/characters from the public domain items and reuse them elsewhere as the characters are copyrighted.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/warner-bros-wins-key-legal-208255

"Hello, Discover Card? I was charged $8500 for an item I never received. Oh, there's no time limit on disputing a transaction? Awesome. Please proceed in investigating and pursuing this chargeback."

DONE. Yes, I agree that it's a risk/grey area, but PayPal would be on the hook as the "acquirer," who in turn would go after DP.

Well if I stay in on the hobbit I may be interested in one.

How many people skipped out on hobbit at expo before the changes and went to tbl... Nowhere many will go back because of the changes and this dibocal. Few months for hobbit cause of changes... And two weeks left to order smaug...

Ya there's a video of me using the pin tooth on my Facebook pages
Pinnovators on Facebook. If u want to see it work.
Thanks,
Lorenzo

You know there's a huge difference between teaser copyright law and trailer copyright law, right?

I certainly concede the point that you can challenge through your method of payment (credit card, paypal, etc.)...but some people still pay by check (those poor souls) and there are limits to what even your credit card company can (will) do when dealing with a fully insolvent small entity.

I'm definitely not arguing your points TigerLaw, but this is exactly why I put my refunded deposit on a card that has zero interest until March 2016. I should be safe as long as I don't pay off the balance and carry the deposit funds until shipment, which DP is shooting for this April (fingers crossed).

Don't pay with bank funds!

All I can say is wow. Maybe it's my fault. I move to Kirkwood MO and there are two major, national news stories. Mayor and council gunned down and guy gets caught holding captive and molesting a boy for several years after a failed attempt to get another. Then you have Ferguson.

Four months ago I join Pinside and there has been constant drama. I watch the live streams of the Chicago show and love what I saw with TBL. This news really takes the cake.

I really hope this pin gets built and people get them without losing money because this has a lot of promise, and I'd love to have a go on one.

as an aside.. calling paypal and working through their CS system can do things the website does not allow. I've seen this with ebay and other scams where the website blocks, but once customer service knows what's going on, they have more power.

i'm done with pre orders,just wait for a code complete game, 6 -12 months from now and buy one of the many huo that will be clogging the marketplace and save large.

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He said exactly that, which means we will be revisiting this same issue that DP is going through now over on the Jpop thread in a few weeks. I hope more companies learn from these mistakes.

This^^^^^

Bingo.

Ill check it out, thanks. Im still in on hobbit right now se #7?

The pre-order model has always been flawed. People just really need to wait for a final product to be available. I learned my lesson

That's a different design/robot.

But, the pre -order model is for these small companies to even think about doing a small run of machines. It's your choice, either you risk it and it works out, or you wait for the next Stern or JJP machine and be happy about it.

OT: Again a "stylized sci-fi robot" not Robbie.

Disclaimer I'm a concrete guy not a copyright attorney.

No, the pre-order model is for the customer to assume all the risk while the company assumes none. We're basically full of pinball kickstarters.

Yes, and why, because the boutiques don't have the cash to do it on their own. Thus, either you do it, or you don't and don't get those types of machines. It is that easy.

I get the biggest kick out of the people that immediately resubmit their refunds. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome. Do those of you that did this actually think that is going to help you get a game?

And that's why Spooky succeeds while all the others fail...because he is sticking his own neck out and risking his own money to do this while everyone else is using the somebody else's money to get started. You're a lot more motivated when it's your money on the line rather than someone else's usually.

Here is a problem I have with Phil.
At Expo he apparently knew about all these so called problems yet was talking up TBL and lets be honest here, talked an awful lot of people including myself to get in on a preorder and becoming a VIP
member.Remember what you said at Expo. Rug and Chrome if you order by October 19th. Nothing was said at Expo or when Phil left the company. Nothing was said until today not just anyday this was the NYC VIP Launch. Very interesting and selfish in my opinion.
We are not children here we are grown men. You can't tell me this type of thing can"t be discussed and settled upon privately. By Phil putting it all out there may Jeopardize further dealings with Universal to get this licensing thing sorted out (if indeed it is a real problem) Would like to hear Barry and Jaap respond to Phil's accusations.
I will be staying in for now. I have 180 days now that I refreshed Paypal and reinstated my order.
I want to hear both sides of the story before I make a rash decision.

Assuming you paid Paypal with a credit card, bypass Paypal and file a dispute directly with your credit card company.

Most credit card companies give you 6 months to dispute.

So far the only prepay games we've ever received is BBB and WOZ. Everything else on the pre pay model have yet to materialize. (Granted, MMr and TH are both immanent to release).

Nonsense. You finance making the final prototype, complete with code, yourself. That's on you. If you can't handle that then let's be honest, you have no business running a business.

You can take money from people when you're ready to go to production. "Pay now, you'll get your game in 3 months" would be totally acceptable.

Can't do that? Don't decide to be a pinball manufacturer.

So what's Stern's excuse?

What would be really mind blowing was if Gary Stern orchestrated the entire thing to sabotage TH. Like, he actually had an elaborate TBL machine developed solely to kill the pre-order model with no intention of building the game. Hey, with what I've seen today, anything's possible!

This does bring about a little extra respect for companies like JJP and Stern who have to put up with this kind of crap from the license holders and still manage to put out great games. POTC without any lines from the movie or the real actors is still better than no POTC pin at all. The Hobbit pin without Smaug interacting with the ball is still better than no Hobbit pinball at all.

I'm confused... you paint him in the wrong for playing the company line... and not being a whistleblower on the topic.

Then paint him in the wrong for being the whistleblower now.

What should he have done in your opinion, when by his account the team show up with a game with decisions made that he was not aware of until that point in time?

The guy didn't have the power to stop the other DP folks from doing what they were doing. He couldn't make the games disappear or forbid the other DP guys from doing their thing.

By his story he did his part in voicing those concerns to the other DP folks and tried to resolve it. But in his view, he was being dragged around and put at risk by others. He was jettisoning the baggage the only way he could. Obviously he knew this would bring the whole situation to light... but it sounds like some spark was needed.

Multimorphic is not funding development with customer pre-order money either. Gerry has been pretty great about that.

Actually Robbie did appear in Lost in Space. Not the main Robot called Robot but in 2 episodes, a guest star

http://lostinspace.wikia.com/wiki/Robby_the_Robot

FTFY

The spelling throughout this thread is absolutely atrocious.

Dibocal?!

Thank you. I always tried to fight for what I thought was right, for my partners and my customers. That's why I didn't want them abusing the licensing. That's why I didn't want those "show specials" at DPO. That's why I didn't want special "one-off" meetings with distributors.

There is only one right way to do business, and that is the RIGHT way.

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And back in August.

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But in September.

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And yet in Chicago in October, when I saw TBL for the very first time, there was Kahlua.

I tried to get Barry to cover it with tape, but he said it would hurt the flow.

All I could do was address it head on -- and put tape over every bottle of Kahlua.

(Turn the threat into an opportunity.)

At the time, if I did not believe in Dutch Pinball, I would not have sold a single machine.

EVEN TODAY, I STILL THINK DP CAN MAKE A VERY GOOD MACHINE. I would not say it, if I did not believe it. They just have to play by all legal and ethical rules. Until they do, I do not want my name associated with it.

Is it a bad sign that I heard from one of the reporters at the event that the DP guys were staying in the back room most of the night. I think Scott was on the floor, Damn I wish I could have been there. I know 2 people there, one says all is well, the other says run away, take the refund and go. I am still in, but really need to hear from the DP guys.

well for all the hassle, I think they should just reoffer TBL to everyone for 6k. Even those that didn't preorder yet. that would satisfy everyone, even those that lost out big because of the exchange rate (same thing happened to those that invested with Wayne). Where do I send my down payment?

You don't have to prepay to own a Stern machine. They make them and sell them footing the entire bill.

That's nonsense Barry was on the floor playing games, chatting with folks, or drinking next door.

Dudes kind of hard to miss being 7 feet tall.

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I'm AGAINST what they're doing btw. That's what they all do, pretty much, and still doesn't work most of the time. Because when you have no skin in the game you have no motivating to succeed.

This whole situation is very undude.