So .... no new shit has come to light? Would have been cool if there had been something to see.

You sound pretty sure of yourself. How can you be positive it is his wife without pics. Oh I see, it's like that. Never mind.

Glad he reached out to you. It is not easy to swallow your pride and buck up after you've acted poorly. Wishing you asked Barry .... to provide you access and pics to showcase their progress. Best way to right things is to rip off the band-aid off and deal with the pain, but DP has decided pull it off more slowly and to rest between attempts. Increasing the communication would be a small step in the right direction. Got my fingers crossed. BTW - what did you request??

I dunno, but it sounds like the perfect bet to me. He gets his deposit back on a product he doesn't believe will get made but can't get designer / manufacturer / distributor to honor their commitment by refunding his money. You are absolutely certain of this product and that it will be made and are willing to bet $5k. Pay him $5k and you will get your value back after receiving your game. This is really a win / win for you both and another / win for all the followers of this bet.

Personally $500 is the most I'd be willing to gamble for his $5k position. Until I understood how the finances would work or know that the funds are secure and all paid-in-games will get made first.

The difference is that you are willing to bet and $5k is the amount. Others do not want to bet, they BOUGHT something, prepaid for it actually, and before it was designed and delivered, they changed their mind and are requesting their money back. So I agree from a betting standpoint it doesn't make sense to take the deal. But from a point of personal pride or as someone who has stated an undying belief in TBL product and process to get there, you are being sought as someone who might put their money where their mouth is. If you are certain that the game will be made then it really isn't a fair bet for your opponent. But why not put your money down and show there is no reason to be afraid of the current risks? After the game is made, and if you decide not to open the box, I am sure you won't have any problem selling it for more than you bought it. I am interpreting this as an example of speculating - as you sounded like someone willing to take a chance and to have some fun. I am probably way off base, but that's how I interpreted things.

Where's the money Lebowski?

Some new sh*t has come to light. There's probably a thread about it ... somewhere.