Somewhere on pinside, did someone say that DI will be able to spit out redemption tickets?

If so, how does this price compare to new redemption ticket games at places like Dave and Busters? I think $9000 may be in the ballpark or cheaper....

Could this be an attempt to get true pinball (not ICE Flintstones) into large gaming centers? Could this give pinheads something to actually play and enjoy using card credits at Dave and Busters type places? Could this game actually take pinball to the Millennials???

Something to chew on....has JJP outsmarted us all?

I would sure hope they add pindemption support to it, but I don't think anything has been announced yet... seems to have even more features that would play well in the redemption market. The lottery ticket thing seems tailor made for that.... "scratch the ticket to win up to 100 tickets!"... "you have won 1 ticket"...

Regardless, put one of these in a D&B and that is where ALL of my card would end up going, whether or not ir gave me tickets.

I think DI looks awesome and I can't wait to play it, despite the goofiness of the theme. I hear people saying JJP should retheme it altogether.

Well, on that "Note", why not make it about ET being unable to phone home because his Samsung Galaxy Note S7 is a spontaneously combustible device! Combine the 80s icon with explosive 21st century technological problems! It's a blend of sci-fi, comedy and fiery busy signals!

ET can NOT phone home!

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What I find funny about all this: JJP says 6999 and I will sell them all. How long would it take them to make them ???

On the other hand Stern says: limited = limited so 80 SLE and 240 LE. While they can build those numbers in what ? two weeks ?

So the company who is strugling to fulfill his orders from 2013 wants to make thousands and the company that can just pump them out does stick to the fact that limited should mean limited.

Can't make this stuff up.

I just can't see spending that much for a new machine, but I might buy a used machine in a few years.

I played one ball at Expo, and put up over 300K score.

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As far as I am concerned, you are 100% correct!

The lottery ticket is not physical, as in coming out of the game. It's an award on the screen.

The confusion you are having Ice, is they didn't
have a set amount of LE or price, etc.
Pre done, written in stone.
You and others want answers and they haven't
decided yet.
JJP and Stern have had a great deal
of "positioning" that went on
Ftee Pizza when the other company
launched, and so much more.
It was an adult school yard brawl.

But everyone saw differently at the show.
Guys focused on tournament, others, on party mode, focused only on Aliens, standing in front of 3 batmans, dying to play, and drooling more puddles than Taro.
Batman was announced long ago, games revealed, but a failure to have it ready to play
Alien had announced years ago, and showed a game with some bugs that were proto.
JJP unveiled a secret game, with
everyone's imagination, and provided
5 stunning almost flawless games, but
didn't finish seminar, pricing and marketing.

That's all that happened.
I likely wodnt be any different if I didn't go,
to the extra and more often erroneous
posts on games on pinside.

How could anyone know?

JJP is simply not for you because
you want finite limited numbers,
and they won't do that, because they
change a few things, and make more
"Limited" Editions.

That's the whole story.

But a game sight unseen, give lots
of money, unveil....but human effort
did not get it ready.
Get the game ready, then take money,
But you can play the game BEFORE
you give money.
Or Alien that did it in between.

Nothing was perfect to what everyone
"Wants".

Another example of why I'm happy I
retired.....its just Pinball!

Oh, and Dialed in is still a blast.
No number plaque required.

As Art said the Ticket is a virtual lottery ticket. Just to clarify a scratch-off ticket. And you have a limited about of time to get control of the ball, reach a hand up in the air and pretend to scratch the ticket. The built in camera detects this motion.

As an arm chair quarterback who did not attend the Expo I must admit I have taken a mental 180 from the initial reports after the reveal. I think I have to remake my Hitler Reacts MEME. The first thing that made me rethink was a comment that we keep asking for original unlicensed theme and when we get it we flip out that is not something we wanted.

Remember the art changes to the Hobbit playfield? It is very possible for a change of title and artwork. Jack listens and hopefully Pat will also. If the game itself is a strong foundation and software in initial phases this can come a long way. Also the talk of price changes will go a long way.

After a dozen games, the art and title grow on you and are fine.
From pictures, I agree, could look better.
Playing it, it disappears imo.
So much else to focus on.

Couldn't hurt to make it better, but then it may cost more!

Here's my perspective, and why I haven't spoken up...

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/who-will-steal-the-show-at-expo-2016-poll-included/page/7#post-3403220

The flyer handed out at the EXPO reveal of Dialed In called it a "Special Edition".

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So the corporation are the bad guys, and the player (the good guy) has got a hold of their secret weapon? Do I have that right? Can someone please scan the comic?

I thought the phone was really clever. It just seems like the natural way to have new characters communicating with the player. When the phone makes the dial tone you just instinctively look at the screen to see who is talking. Everyone can immediately relate to that because it is just like it happens in real life. Same with the news reports on the backbox LCD, because you have seen that a million times before, it's natural to look at the scrolling text at the bottom to read the information.

The cool thing about having a licensed theme is that you can have an unlimited amount of original characters interacting with the player, in a way that couldn't be done with, say, the Hobbit for example. So the phone is like a Rudy head but now you can have multiple characters.

The comic is 8 pages of panels, plus front/back covers and front/back inside flaps (12 total pages).

You (the player) are the guy holding the prototype cell phone on the front cover of the comic. The title of the comic is, "Dialed In!", and below the title is a question: "What would you do with THE POWER?"

Page 5, Inside Dialed In HQ...

[Employee standing in his boss' office, a penthouse suite with window view, giving him bad news]:

"We have a situation. One of the prototypes has been -uh- misplaced. Of course, to the uninitiated, it looks no more special than any of our mobile phones. And, as you know, the Quantum Effect Generator requires an enormous amount of energy to activate. But if the technology were to get into the wrong hands..."

[The boss, sitting in a high-backed executive chair, facing the window and hidden from view, says menacingly]:

"GET. IT. BACK!"

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/dialed-in-is-awesome-yes-i-played-it/page/11#post-3403521

No issues with anyone not liking the game
as much as those that do like it and both sides
sharing why.

So sorry if you feel the positive side is trying to
Change your view.
If you feel that's my position, it's not, I'm just sharing my excitement.
I've always encouraged everyone to play for themselves.
Games can play much different than a video.

Why would anyone feel anything personal if the game doesn't reach you?

At the sound of the tone, please leave a message... "at $9,000, I'm Dialed Out"!

Sorry, Art. The first sentence of my prior quote was responding to Taxman on the "Who will steal the show at expo 2016!!! poll included" thread.

I wasn't implying that YOU were the one evangelizing, but others certainly are, especially in the following thread, using words like "trust", "faith", and "believe", and deriding the "Pinside echo chamber", filled with "negativity/stupidity/trolling".

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/dialed-in-is-awesome-yes-i-played-it

So I have declined to voice my opinion in that thread, even though I attended the Reveal on Thursday night, I attended the "Deep Dive" on Friday night, and I actually played the game in the Vendor Hall.

My reply to you was really responding to the following sentences of your prior post...

Nothing personal. Just sharing my opinion, which was contrary to the above. I voiced that opinion to several friends at the show, but I certainly wasn't circling the Dialed In machines and telling the people who were playing and enjoying the games.

None taken.
I was concerned I said something wrong.
I can get "preachy". No jokes, please.

I absolutely understand and agree when a theme bombs.
I love the game Metallica, but I don't like Metallica.

There does seem to be a troll sense on all games, in all directions.

I'm just glad I survived expo, partied like i use too and checked it off the
Bucket list.....on to Texas.

I wish more people who didn't like it share why, but hope that we avoid price, cellphone, name,
as this is now a given.

Feedback on the peppers ghost?
Ball Lock?
Anyone get further in the game?

Again, even if it's not me, my apologies for those people knowingly trying to stir trouble.

Expo offered so much positive for pinball,
It doesn't matter which game we like, we all win, with so many new games and products
shown.

NIB is only one part.

I don't care if I get a Batman 6 years from now.

If my rambling is off.....sorry..
.way to many pain killers in me right now. Not fun.

It's good to hear from a couple of guys i respect in Art and Razor that were actually there and got to see everything up close.

For me, its Jack's act that is getting old and honestly very weak for a "marketing" guy. An absolute horrendous presentation and explanation.

Sure, I expect the pin to play great because its Lawlor and he got a blank check. I went into this thinking oh crap, this is another pin I'm gonna have to have. I came out with a hard no. Maybe in a few years? Who knows.

You guys are good guys with a MUCH better temperament than me.

I got to meet Joe, the new CEO of JJP at Expo, actually had a really nice chat with him. Don't feel like I should reveal private conversation stuff, but this part seems safe enough:

He said at one point that he wasn't really a pinball guy, he was a business guy (I know he has a Hobbit, not sure if he owns other pins). And IMHO that's not a bad thing, that's what a CEO is for. You run the company, manage the business side, and trust your "pinball guys" to give you the info you need to make smart decisions.

I only bring it up because it doesn't seem fair to keep blaming Jack for everything. It's not his company any more, right? No idea what his role really is, but you can't lay it all at his feet now.

And his stunt with the fake nose on the Stern tour bus was gold.

Part of it goes like this Art.

I'm a player that loves pinball AND a "collector".

I will NEVER EVER pay $9,500 for a pinball machine just to play it because its the next greatest whatever. As in ZERO chance of that happening, ever. If i want to have just a "player's pin", I go out and get pins like NBAFB, WPT, RS and INDY500 for $3k and less.

That's why I bought BM66LE because it met my criteria, great theme, Lyman, first LCD, 30th anniversary etc. It's the show, like TWD, GB etc. And its a "collectible" and limited to 240. Sorry but that means something to me the collector.

Everybody always talks about wanting an original theme and how great that is. NO, not me, not for $9500. Kudos for creating a great pin by JJP. An F for marketing and selling it!

Jack walking out there with an unlimited run basically at those prices will NOT EVER work and he is about to find that out. 300 or 400 people? Maybe. But NOT if he doesn't put a ### on them.

Just my opinion.

The two go hand in hand to make it successful Aurich, you know that. If its not working that way, then you have a guaranteed failure on your hands there.

The business numbers guy has to learn the "business" in order to budget, market, etc. Same page

i didn't remember the part about the new CEO. i doubt the price will ever go down, his job is to make money, a little bit more, year after year and saving as much as he can.

Just in case you missed the reference to Jack and the fake nose, this guy is ace in my book.

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Sure, just not sure you can lay it on Jack anymore. I dunno, how their company works isn't something I'm privy to, just saying, it's not Jack's baby any more. There's a billionaire running the cash faucet and a CEO calling the shots, and his name is Joe and not Jack.

I wish them the best, and I hope things work out for Jack too.

I understand your logic in what you collect ice, and why.
There is no judgement.
For me, I'm a toy and magnet nut, with fun as my goal.
I honestly believe if the playfield magnets and the coding of them I saw wasn't there, id not likely be interested.
It's all personal.

Perhaps Aurich, as Jack is the face and the voice at expo, some communication broke down, as you saw a somewhat disorganized
Presentation.

Serialized games need to be honored to hold value. While sold that way, it seems JJP, isn't
following through.

Just play the game....and enjoy!
Don't buy it and play your buds, or Used in a few years....who cares!
It's new, it's fun, why not do whatever Rocks your boat!

Lastly, what a great step forward towards whatever comes next!

So I haven't read all the reaction since the reveal in the thread because I was at the show, having fun, hanging out with people and playing games (and there's a stupid amount to read back through, so I didn't).

My general impression of the game itself was that it's fun to shoot. I like the interactive back box 'city'. I didn't mind the phone ringing. In generally, I really enjoyed the game.

I don't really love the name, but it is what it is. The two things I consider a negative about the game are the price and the phone interaction.

IMHO the phone stuff is a mistake. Sure it was a fun, wacky, innovative, new idea in the 'blue-sky' stage of designing the game, but I really don't think it's worth the expense. People on location aren't going to understand, and most real pinball players aren't going to want to use it anyway (How often do serious players play with the trigger handles on DM, and they don't even have bluetooth lag) -- seems like something that should have been cut before things were finalized.

Then there's the 9k base model. I can't imagine sales doing well at that level. Sure you can move some, but not volume. Maybe the answer is a stripped down (stainless, no shaker, no fancy glass, no phone interaction) low end model -- but I don't really know. I just know that at 9k, I'd never buy one.

Heard a rumour that after Expo, JJP went back to the drawing board and renamed Dialed In.

They listened to the mood....the mood at Expo, the mood on Pinside, the mood of the pinball community in general, and they came up with the perfect alternative title to Dialed In......

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I realize that, and if its Joe and not Jack making these calls, then Jack, and not Joe should back in the drivers seat.

I don't believe for one second that Joe is making any of those decisions, he's deferring to the people that supposedly know wtf they are doing in the business.

There is a reason billionaires have billions, they defer to the experts.

Ever seen an NFL owner try and coach the team and be the general manager as well? (Well maybe Jerry Jones and that cost him a decade plus of horrendous teams)

Money people like to leverage off of the talents and abilities of the experts, that's how they get rich.

But hey, maybe ole Joe did make the calls and he has just realized he has no clue what he's doing in pinball marketing/pricing/costing

Maybe the reason for this high price is much simpler:

Now that the prepaying is done and capital infusions are done, THIS is really how much a JJP pin has to sell for to make money.

Im a huge (classic) Lawlor far and I can't wait to play one. But, honestly, I have to say I'm disappointed in the theme/title reveal. Don't mean it won't be a blast to play, just dislike the "aesthetics."

And that's why the price went up, not to be your friends and satisfy you, but to make $$

Yup, billionaires invest millions for one reason alone... to make little friends for their billions.

I bet the conversation went like this at some point.

Jack: We made a pretty cool game, but the price we are talking about might be a bit high.

Owner: I did not buy this company to start a charity, but to make as much $ as I can. Let's shoot for the moon and see what happens. We can always lower the price if it does not sell.

There's also the psychology of pricing.
The reason you see products at $19.95.
In this case, saying $9000 seems much more
like $10K than $8995.
Sorry to repeat, but from Jack to staff, the price isn't set yet.
Let's hope they hit $7995 list.

The verdict is not out yet.
This seems to be a magic number.

You know the old joke right?

How do you make a small fortune in pinball?

Start with a large fortune.

It was kinda crazy that when he revealed the price he asked how much would you pay for this game...someone shouted out 5 billion dollars or something like that then he revealed the price of 9k like it was a steal....SMH

And that's why they are going to lose there A$$ on this arrogant offering

Stupid greed can take you down

Why not Art?

It's their reveal they have had to think about for how many years?

Absolutely HORRENDOUS

Let's float it out there and see who bites at the F u money?

Nope, Jack or whoever floated that turd idea really F ed up.

The good news is that Stern didn't themselves any favors either

I don't know why?

Perhaps they were so excited
It didn't get firmed up.
Or it was, and the immediate feedback
did have an effect.
I was told the extra games brought
were also a bit last minute.

We already know ice, you're not getting the game, or have support for JJP.
Why torture yourself even popping in here?

Horrendous? No, well planned of just pricing and qty, sure.

But that's all the bitching there is.

Not limited, price not set.
and one can argue name....

Important, yes.

But the line in the sand that bothers
many, is the price may be lower, it may not be.
They didn't have that at Expo.
Maybe this week, maybe later.
Plenty of time to continue to be vocal
about price, which will get old
hearing real soon.
Too much? Don't buy it.
Not limited? Don't buy it.
Title, theme, cell phone?
Not your taste, don't buy it.

Applause for 5 games working
at expo.

Fun game, just play it without buying it,
and be happy.

5 games working at expo might be the only ones they sell?

And that sums up why its sadly going down the tubes

The REAL world is a different place and people today need to own mistakes, fix it quickly and redeem. Arrogance is a bad trait and a business killer

But i don't say things that people want to hear, agree or not

Iceman...

Please take 3 steps down off your pedestal and chill. Your opinion & messages are heard loud and clear on many threads.

'The REAL world is a different place and people today need to own mistakes, fix it quickly and redeem. Arrogance is a bad trait and a business killer
But i don't say things that people want to hear, agree or not"

Ok, and really just to tease you, remember this line when we chat by phone and you bring up your presidential candidate!

Well i guess myself and the 3 friends of mine are lucky and will own 4 of the 5....now thats limited...

If you say so. Can you please post what you would like me to say and do next so i make you happy?

Thanks

Hehe, yep, BigD, you got it, the real limited

So, no worries if they sell thousands right? What would you rather have?

A selfish few hundred, the reality or thousands?

As an early adopter at huge prices, I respect and applaud you. You get your pin you love and play it hard. Many others will roll out a year later at a substantial loss, to the latest and greatest. Doesn't matter if its all that and means everything to you for $9500, i get it

Haha yep, arrogance is a killer isn't it. Game over, until another 4 years.

Let's hope we still have a country then

Two party system is finito, so is Washington DC

it's GAME OVER MAN!!!!

Actually i dont have to pay shipping since im close and can pick it up. Also pricing is under 9k if you ask around. I hope they sell alot actually as the le in any brand dont mean anything to me and many others i know but their wont be to many sold imo probably 500-1000 unless something changes with a standard version without upgraded trim and such.

Nah, you just bought into the propaganda.....Like pinball, just press "start" and the political pinball game will start all over again.
I think the message you bought into was the country was a "Limited Edition!"

Taxes are over today....you must have had a rough week.

Grab a drink, and play a game for me!

Still in Chicago...84 degrees today.

I know the LE doesn't mean anything to you and I respect that. And ZERO chance it hits 1000, I'm rooting for you in the 200-300 range

I honestly think its game over after this expo

The genius sales people are too stupid to keep taking the "smart money"

Good lord, the whole lot of them, a sales cluster F, JJP, Stern, Heighway.

Hard to put words to it, but i'll try via a podcast