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Does hitting the buttons harder help?

By ABE_FLIPS

4 years ago


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    #26 4 years ago

    Depending on how you hit the flipper, it absolutely can add strength to the flip. A good example is a slap-save-like flip, where your hand really nudges the machine simultaneously with the flip. By basic physics principles, some of the momentum is transferred to the flipper and the ball. If for simplicity we treat the playfield somewhat artificially as 2D, the flip/slap is in the x-axis (horizontal), the flipper itself moves on an arc through x/y space and the ball is usually ascending the playfield on a diagonal (x/y), so it squires the x-axis component of any transferred energy/momentum. How much of a difference does this make, by percentage velocity added? I don't know. But having played enough crappy bar pinball setups, I have many times only been able to get a ball up a ramp with a good hard slap!

    #27 4 years ago
    Quoted from ABE_FLIPS:

    Hello,
    hitting the buttons harder seems to help for me in some situation (not talking about slap saves),
    and I want to understand why. Especially when trying to livecatch it helps. But the only reason I
    can think of, is the change in timing, because it shouldn't affect the flippers mechanically, since
    you can't increase flipper power with harder hits? You can hit harder with additional nudging of course.
    So why do you hit harder sometimes or what do you know about it?

    Depending on how you hit the flipper, it absolutely can add strength to the flip. A good example is a slap-save-like flip, where your hand really nudges the machine simultaneously with the flip. By basic physics principles, some of the momentum is transferred to the flipper and the ball. If for simplicity we treat the playfield somewhat artificially as 2D, the flip/slap is in the x-axis (horizontal), the flipper itself moves on an arc through x/y space and the ball is usually ascending the playfield on a diagonal (x/y), so it acquires the x-axis component of any transferred energy/momentum. How much of a difference does this make, by percentage velocity added? I don't know. But having played enough crappy bar pinball setups, I have many times only been able to get a ball up a ramp with a good hard slap!

    #29 4 years ago
    Quoted from 85vett:

    The flipper did NOTHING different in that example. The extra force is from the added inertia from you moving the game.
    Let me put it another way. The flipper coil will only pull the shaft so fast. It wont go slower or faster based off how you press the button.
    Think it's time to drain this thread. Was trying to help but now it feels like yall are just messing with me now....

    You misunderstand.

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