To summarize:

- Less than 1 in 10 ppl who shell out 6+k for a nib machine will learn all the inserts on the pf and all the rules.
- We should stop debating about companies that sell incomplete products because so few fully understand the products.
- If you understand computer programming, you’ll be okay with a potentially indefinite wait for a complete product.
- If you’re unlucky and understand programming, rules etc., and you’re unhappy with the product, get rid of it.

Um, okay.
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My take is that stern has completely abandoned unfinished games, which is unacceptable. It is the company (Gary) not the programmers. That is why there is so much suspicion and speculation, deservedly so. They seem to be working to change this, but I still don’t trust them completely on all fronts of development and quality. For example, some of the animations on imdn are not finished: they are not colored or shaded and are not up to the quality of others presented in the game. I’m willing to bet that most of you who own the game are almost positive the animations will never see a minute of stern’s time. I only bought the game because I knew most of the code was done, but I also knew they (gary) would likely neglect other areas of the game. They are the industry leader, yet many wait and wait and wait in fear that their expensive purchase will never be the complete product they hoped for and paid for.

The title of this thread should be "Does Gary have a good track record of PAYING for complete code?”

Thanks for supporting my point exactly.

What a silly way to defend Stern. It appears that you're arguing that they don't need to complete their products as long as they are functional. Imagine an iron maiden album cover where Eddie's face is Grey and not colored because the artist didn't get around to finishing it. But wait, the album sounds great, so the art doesn't matter, right? Do you not assume that you will get complete animations when you buy a pinball machine that clearly involves a good profit margin for the seller? Or have expectations sunk this low?

But my original point was that Stern will never finish the animations in imdn. It's a shame that they have a history of not finishing even important things on their pins. It's great that they finished acdc in your mind, and maybe you consider partial shading and no color on some animations complete, but I would guess most, me included, would not. If you are completely happy with an incomplete product, that's great. I wish I could convince myself to be.

I appreciate you offering my opinion for me, but incomplete and complete are different. I have't offered any complaints about any completed portions of the game. Read my review of the game if you think I whine about things. The thread is about incomplete code and incomplete games and I merely mentioned this issue as one of MANY things Stern leaves incomplete. I still have the game and love it. My point is that it is disappointing that the company leaves things incomplete so often that we can assume that they are never going to get to many them, especially the smaller issues. Don't like my example? Choose another. Don't like me? Choose another pinsider. My argument isn't unique.